Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Of course you are always welcome to reply, Jody. There is not much I on my part can say in reply to you. In your latest post, you tell us what you believe Ramana would have said, and what you are certain Ramana would have considered us to be. I suggest we better stick with what Ramana did say. To me, our topic has nothing to do with humility or lack of it. It has to do with perception of reality vs. loss of reality. Kindest regards, Michael > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: jodyrrr [jodyrrr] > Gesendet: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 18:48 > An: > Betreff: Re: Maharshi-You are already perfect > > > , MikeSuesserott@t... wrote: > > > Hi again Jody, > > Hi Michael. I hope I'm not belaboring you too much > with another reply, but here goes. > > > I don't think we are that far apart in this discussion > > at all. I remember what Paramahansa Yogananda said: > > "You are the same as Christ. There is no difference in > > kind. There is only a difference in the degree." > > And I believe Ramana would have said no, you are > exactly the same as Christ, in kind and degree. > The only difference is that he has stepped out > into the sunlight, and you are still under the > shade of the tree. > > > So there you are. The other day I noticed in my garden > > that an acorn had taken root and had sprouted two oak > > leaves. So tiny! And next to it stands the mighty oak, > > hundreds of years old, monumentum aere perennius, as > > the poet says. > > Again, I'm certain Ramana considered us all mighty > oaks. It's the very idea that we start small and > get big that occludes in spiritual practice. > > There are good reasons people practice humility, as > grandiosity lurks for those who come to believe in > their understanding before understanding actually > dawns. But this humility often becomes a fetter > holding us to our idea of being smaller than our > heroes, thereby keeping us from coming to the > understanding our heroes are trying to show us. > > > Well, that's how I am seeing this thing. Incidentally, > > according to usually well-informed sources, the little > > acorn with the tiny leaves recently told our cat how > > perfectly wonderful it was to be an oak; we understand > > the cat smiled a bit when it replied, yes, but don't > > let that keep you from growing! > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > Michael > > Many find great joy in the celebration of their > spiritual heroes, but there comes a time to leave > the party and make your own heroic venture into > understanding. > > love--jody. > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and > exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves > rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from > Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come > and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart > Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A > true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 , MikeSuesserott@t... wrote: It has to do with perception of reality vs. loss of reality. ....Hi Mike! If reality is perceived, then the perceiver must by definition be separate enough from reality to perceive it as an object. However, if there is only reality -- What Is -- then what is perceiving what? Furthermore, if reality can be lost, where would it be lost, if there is only reality? Even the so-called un-real (ie: illusion) must be an expression of reality, since there is only What Is -- reality. Perhaps this is why it is said: "There is nothing to realize, and nobody to realize anything." Of course, upon hearing this, most turn such understandings into concepts, and even have experiences of such concepts. Nevertheless, is such activity anything other than reality having the experience of itself as concept? This is the invitation of the Mystery -- to fall into our unknowing, our natural prior Ignorance, with no place to land, with nothing to grasp, and so be Free. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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