Fw: [RamanaMaharshi] Maharshi - Creation -[8]

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Excellent choices, Gloria

Wim

PS

If this is it at the exclusion of that, than this is not it, nor is it that.

If that is it at the exclusion of this, than that is not it, nor is it this.

simply then... neither this nor that

The only things that I see at the moment is the appearance of blue

characters on my screen, as I feel my fingertips tapping the keys and

hear some clicking sounds. I will now click the send button. At least

that is what that thingy calls itself. I will momentarily touch it

with another thingy...

Wim

here it goes...click

Gloria Lee

[glee (AT) citlink (DOT) net]Wednesday, June 12, 2002 7:31 PMTo:

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Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:59 PM

[RamanaMaharshi] Maharshi - Creation -[8]

Question: So the world is not really illusory?Sri Ramana

Maharshi: At the level of the spiritual seeker you have got

to say that the world is an illusion. There is no other way.

When a man forgets that he is a Brahman, who is real,

permanent and omnipresent, and deludes himself into thinking

that he is a body in the universe which is filled with bodies

that are transitory, and labours under that delusion, you

have got to remind him that the world is unreal and a delusion. Why?

Because his vision which has forgotten its own Self is dwelling

in the external, material universe. It will not turn inwards

into introspection unless you impress on him that all this

external material universe is unreal. When once he realises

his own Self he will know that there is nothing other than his

own Self and he will come to look upon the whole universe as

Brahman. There is no universe without the Self. So long as a

man does not see the Self which is the origin of all, but looks only

at the external world as real and permanent, you have to tell

him that all this external universe is an illusion. You

cannot help it. Take a paper. We see only the script, and

nobody notices the paper on which the script is written. The

paper is there whether the script on it is there or not. To

those who look upon the script as real, you have to say that it is

unreal, an illusion, since it rests upon the paper. The wise

man looks upon both the paper and script as one. So also with

Brahman and the universe.Be As You Are, David Godman[Non-text

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on 6/12/02 4:31 PM, Gloria Lee at glee (AT) citlink (DOT) net wrote:

There is no universe without the Self. So long as

a man does not see the Self which is the origin of all, but

looks only at

the external world as real and permanent, you have to tell him

that all

this external universe is an illusion. You cannot help it.

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This is so great! It's like he's almost saying ,"We have to lie to you

so you will look for the truth."

He *has* to, it's for our own good! lol

he kicks serious butt!

love and thoughts,

Shawn