Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 In a message dated 6/13/02 7:19:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jyotish writes: << I, also have discomfort with the words you quote below >> Me, too. A glimpse of truth reveals the ego to be a virtual entity and it loses its power and substance naturally. An ego that is pounded into submission just goes into hiding to protect the human being from total obliteration. Many a time I've watched myself make a seemingly selfless action and, upon a closer look, understood that I was actually choosing to act out of fear. Until that fear is dealt with, the ego will stay in place to do its job. I get very alarmed when I hear of any human being whose "good side" is split off and removed from his or her "ferocious side." Especially when this is supposedly being done "for your own good." Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 Hi Tg: I, also have discomfort with the words you quote below - it is as if the same words could be used in a s/m novel. One would like to think that perhaps it is a problem with language and translation and that the situation is such that the guru 'only teaches those who have chosen to stay close'. The 'surrender of ego' can be a powerful tool in the hands of teachers and we human beings are so hungry for the peace of self knowledge that we go down many strange and crooked roads. Here's hoping that in the end all roads lead to home. Love, Linda > Message: 7 > Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:01:36 -0000 > "leteegee" <Leteegee > Re: Ammachi interview > > > I apologize for my words to those who have this woman as a Guru. But > something just doesn't feel right here to me as I was reading her > words. Just to point out a few here: > > MA: > >Amma only disciplines those who have chosen to stay close to her, > and she only does this when they are ready to be disciplined. A > disciple is one who is willing to be disciplined. The guru first > binds the disciple with boundless, unconditional love so that when > the disciple eventually is disciplined, he or she is aware of the > presence of thatlove in all situations. > > > TG: > This sounds like being with a controlling abuser. > > It is the purpose of an (emotional, verbal, or physical) abuser > to bind the other with boundless unconditional love, so when the > abuser finally *disciplines* the other, he or she is aware of the > presence of that love in all situations. Including the abuse. > > That's their M.O. > That's what keeps the *willing* coming back. > That and their (coughunconditional love) > > Of course, probably not in this case, but thought I'd just mention it. > > Did Ramana fiercely deal with his devotees, as mentioned Amma does > with hers (pretty much continuously) in this interview? I really > don't know... maybe this is a 'true Master's' way. > > (Give me the false one anyday) > > With Love, > xxxtg ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 , "Linda C" <jyotish@w...> wrote: Here's hoping that in the end all roads lead to home. ....Hi Linda! perhaps the hope that roads will lead somewhere other than where we are right now is what obscures the recognition that we have never left home. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 on 6/13/02 5:01 AM, Hbarrett47 (AT) aol (DOT) com at Hbarrett47 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 6/13/02 7:19:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jyotish (AT) warwick (DOT) net writes: I get very alarmed when I hear of any human being whose "good side" is split off and removed from his or her "ferocious side." - ================================== We are the ones that "split" the person into sides. When you take your child and hold her dearly and assure her of your love, do you not also scold when she does something wrong and dangerous .....like play in the street? Does this mean you have a good side and a " turn me over, I'm still raw on this side?" Are you people working for Bush's Ministry of Fear? Beware (oh,no, another beware?) of prejudice toward a heart you have no actual contact with. Love Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 6/13/02 5:01 AM, Hbarrett47@a... at Hbarrett47@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/13/02 7:19:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > jyotish@w... writes: > > I get very alarmed when I hear of any human being whose "good > side" is split off and removed from his or her "ferocious side." - > > ================================== > > We are the ones that "split" the person into sides. When you take your child > and hold her dearly and assure her of your love, do you not also scold when > she does something wrong and dangerous .....like play in the street? Hi Shawn, I certainly hope it is explained to her why she should not play in the street and what could happen if she does. When my son puts himself in a dangerous situation, I have no need to scold. But I do sit down and explain what could happen if he continues on this path. Granted, he is older than a child, but I do the same with my 2 year old grandson Kain. When my beautiful daughter-in-law came home from work to find Kain had colored every possible color crayon on almost every wall in their home (while under dad's care LOL), you know what her first words were? "Oh Kain! This is sooo beautiful! You are so creative!!" She oooo'd and ahhhh'd for awhile about all of it. Then she sat him down and explained so gently why he couldn't write on the walls, what the walls were for, etc. She then showed him the proper way to color by taping pieces of paper all over the walls and told him to draw all he wants on the paper. No scolding was involved. He never wrote on the walls again because he understood. If even a 2 year old can understand, why wouldn't an adult? > Are you people working for Bush's Ministry of Fear? LOL! I probably do, but hey it keeps the drama going. > > Beware (oh,no, another beware?) of prejudice toward a heart you have no actual contact with. Yep, you are right -- I have had no contact with Amma. Probably never will as a disciple, as I made my choice when I read the interview. Is that prejudice or choice? She'd probably make a lovely friend though. Thanks for your thoughts, Much Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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