Re Wim: "rings" true is not enough

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I did read somewhere that the lions roar

is the element in the 'dream' waking the dreamer:

The whom and and where and whence

and no pretense

is what we need

for this story to proceed.

Now tell a man a thousand times.

in lessons or in stanzas having rhymesThrow your travellers bag upon the fire.

Will this make his ticket expire?

Without the lions roar

(mystery or not, why do we care),

Would he not still be in the land of fear

impatiently waiting in the queue to soar

a brief moment in the senses sphere?

Alan

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"Wim Borsboom" <wim (AT) aurasphere (DOT) org>

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Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:39 AM

RE: "rings" true is not enough

Hi ShawnYou wrote:>>> It is interesting, I find, that no one seems to

comment on myobservation of how there seems to be a number of bodies

here who will never*admit* to a live guru ( or even one who is awake

and yet chooses not tofunction as guru).<<<It was such a good

statement, Shawn, it must have flabbergasted us. :-)I would probably

soften the word "admit" a bit more. Granted, it is alreadyway milder

than "commit" or "submit"..., maybe "permit" would be a betterchoice,

as in "allow".)But do you know what the real reason is?It is like with

the Buddha; when you meet him on the road you are to killhim. So

maybe, many are just afraid of having to kill the guru when theymeet

him or her on their path. It seems more expedient to swerve away...

orto cross to the other side of the street... I am actually not

joking here,although I do not mean it literally..., the killing that

is...I actually had two attempts on my life in those good old guru

days... The"culprits" by the way are doing very well...Oh and by the

way, I once gave a bullying psychiatrist a run for his

life...Actually we tried to kill each other.We are both doing well.

:-)You know where the word Guru originally stems from?The root GU in

Sanskrit means "to drive ahead", to shout, "go go go", RU

is"bellowing, roaring".GU-RU, can you imagine such a person? Seems

like a cowboy to me or a cowherddriving his cows to better pastures,

Krishna was one... although he playedthe flute."Guru" later came to

mean the leader in the battle (of truth of course :-),one who runs

ahead of the troupes shouting, "Let's go!" roaring like a

lion,Braveheart comes to mind. Gurus don't mind to be killed. Maybe

that is whythere are more dead than alive.>>> Instead of looking for

reasons to debunk we should be very attentive tothe Truth, that more

than even "rings" inside us, it transforms us! <<<Well said...>>> I,

personally know that I *must* come to enjoy unshakable confidence

inthe absolute freedom of my conscious nature....<<<If you *must*,

then you will.If we could just quickly find out what "conscious

nature" really is then wewould have it licked.It is not

difficult...You are already nature, just pinch your body...You are

already conscious, did you not notice?Just don't believe those that

hamper(ed) your absolute and innate freedomwith illusive judgemental

threats and fear, who charged you in the past withwords and sentences

of which the charge is still remotely controlling yourability to be

free. Shake off those engrammatic shackles and go go go... thegood

pastures are here (arcadia), just start dancing...The words guru,

helmsman, nautonnier, governor, cyber-nator all mean thesame thing.

Someone who is steering or guiding (GU), taking the helm,towards a

way of existence in which we again can be people of happiness, joyand

goodwill. The word "will" in goodwill has not so much to do with

will(like wanting) as with joy, which comes to us via the Latin gaude

andJulius, then via guilio and joie to joy.Wim(from

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