An earlier post from Harshaji about the poetry

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, "Harsha" wrote:

 

Mazie and Robert, you are doing a number on us. Thanks for sharing

all the magic! In Hindi, there is word called "Rasa". I don't know

what the right translation is. I think it means taste or sweet taste,

or essence of sweet taste. When we say that a song or a poem has

Rasa, it means that the poetry has captured the essence of some

sweetness. That is what your poetry does.

 

Thanks Gloria for the poetry sharings.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

Dearest Jody,

 

That you do not care for the poetry is quite alright, but remember,

DearHeart, there is that marvelous little thing called a delete key

for using if the poetry is not to your liking, so, instead of saying

how much you don't like it, just don't read it -- so much kinder and

easier, eh? So, with that said, here's a delightful little number by

Rumi --

 

Inside Shams' Universe

 

Inside a lover's heart there's

another world, and yet another

 

inside the friend of this community

of lovers, an ear that interprets

 

mystery, a vein of silver in the

ground, another sky! Intellect and

 

compassion are ladders we climb,

and there are other ladders: as we

 

walk in the night, the voice that

talks of forgiveness; inside Shams'

 

universe candlelight itself becomes

a moth to die in his candle.

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

Mazie

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, "mazie_l" <sraddha54@h...> wrote:

 

[snip]

> Dearest Jody,

>

> That you do not care for the poetry is quite alright, but remember,

> DearHeart, there is that marvelous little thing called a delete key

> for using if the poetry is not to your liking, so, instead of saying

> how much you don't like it, just don't read it -- so much kinder and

> easier, eh? So, with that said, here's a delightful little number by

> Rumi --

 

[snip]

 

Mazie,

 

I've never had any real problem with yours or any other

poetry here. While I may not read it all, I don't

mind seeing it on the list one bit.

 

I've kept my opinion about the poetry to myself as

I didn't want to disturb what is obviously a very

sincere expression of love.

 

However, this expression is one of the poet's thoughts

and feelings *only*. These poems do not hold up as

standards of spiritual understanding. I realize you

are not presenting them as such, but Valerie seems to

have taken them that way.

 

The expression of my opinion was my attempt to drive

this point home to Valerie. That is, see the poems

as the expression of the poets rather than an indication

of how your life should be.

 

Life is as it is to each of us, and where that is can

be entirely different. Having a hard life sucks, and

it's natural to want an easier one. But sometimes we

have little choice and we must do with what we have.

 

I just wanted Valerie to know that not everyone's life

here is peaches and creme despite the preponderence of

poetry which seems limited to this.

 

I know you won't let my opinions get in the way of

your expression, and it was not my intention to put

any sort of damper on it.

 

love--jody.

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, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote:

> , "mazie_l" <sraddha54@h...> wrote:

>

> Mazie,

>

> I've never had any real problem with yours or any other

> poetry here. While I may not read it all, I don't

> mind seeing it on the list one bit.

 

....Well, that's cool Jody, and really, i know the poetry that Robert

and i write isn't to everyone's liking, why, it even actually pisses

some people off. What're ya gonna do? Can't please everyone, and

sometimes, can't please anyone, so, so be it, as it pleases us

immensely to write it. It's a real joy to write when one is a writer

by nature and choice. It's just the way it is right now.

>

> I've kept my opinion about the poetry to myself as

> I didn't want to disturb what is obviously a very

> sincere expression of love.

 

....As i have mentioned, i am aware that the poetry isn't for

everyone, and i am quite used to being given alot of feedback that

speaks very loudly about what "drivel" and "sugary crap" it is. And

that's also fine because these folks usually just do not understand

it and do not understand the Love that it is born from, i would

imagine. And yes, it is of course a very sincere expression of a very

sincere Love.

>

> However, this expression is one of the poet's thoughts

> and feelings *only*. These poems do not hold up as

> standards of spiritual understanding. I realize you

> are not presenting them as such, but Valerie seems to

> have taken them that way.

 

....Perhaps they do not "hold up as standards of spiritual

understanding" because they have never been experienced by the ones

who do not know what we are talking about, and never having

experienced this, it might appear to be just "thoughts and feelings."

It is so much more than that, and i assure you, this is something

that i know from experience, and well, that's the way it is perhaps.

So, just maybe i am presenting them as more than mere love poems Jody.

>

> The expression of my opinion was my attempt to drive

> this point home to Valerie. That is, see the poems

> as the expression of the poets rather than an indication

> of how your life should be.

 

....i can understand this and i felt this might be the case at hand.

It wasn't clear though if this was it or that you really did dislike

the expression and wanted it stopped or that we be made aware how

much it did not appeal to your idea of what should or should not be

posted here at Harshas. i do not think either that we are saying it

is how one's life is supposed to be, but rather, how one's life could

be.

>

> Life is as it is to each of us, and where that is can

> be entirely different. Having a hard life sucks, and

> it's natural to want an easier one. But sometimes we

> have little choice and we must do with what we have.

>

....i understand very well about how hard life can be Dearest, and i

understand and have great compassion for those whose life is in

turmoil and pain with all those difficult sensations that arise when

we see life as something we would want to change or do differently or

have present itself in another way, shape, form or expression. So

many believe that if things were just different, if life would just

give us something else then we would find Joy and Happiness. Life is

as it is, and we will not find any more Joy or Happiness, not lasting

anyway by seeking it elsewhere or by changing the circumstances of

our life. The Joy must be there already, and it is, it is, and we

know this. It is in us and not somewhere external. Of course i know

that you already know this, i am just repeating it again because of

the email that prompted this dialogue right now between us.

> I just wanted Valerie to know that not everyone's life

> here is peaches and creme despite the preponderence of

> poetry which seems limited to this.

 

....i used to write such dark and negative poetry, about suicide and

death and fear and betrayal, all the little closets of unhappiness

that were shut and opened and shut and opened. This was a very, very

long time ago when i too was struggling to understand what's it all

about anyway. My life hasn't changed in that i still, as we all do,

must go through many tests and trials, but the Joy never leaves, that

is here to stay for it is not determinate on any outward conditions.

Joy is my true nature and by grace it is known to me.

>

> I know you won't let my opinions get in the way of

> your expression, and it was not my intention to put

> any sort of damper on it.

 

....Of course Dearest, i do understand your intentions more fully now.

And of course, as you suspected, it would not have put a damper on

the expression, regardless of what any others thought of it. Thanks

for taking the time for the clarification though, Jody. That was

sweet of you. Love to you DearHeart.

 

LoveAlways,

 

Mazie

>

> love--jody.