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Regarding free will here is a simple experiment:

Sit on a chair, both feet on the ground.

Now, please lift one foot, and it doesn't matter which one.

Think it over... Which one will be lifted, right or left?

 

And when it has been lifted, was that because of:

 

1. free will

2. God's will

3. determinism

4. choice

5. God's choice

6. God playing dice

7. I don't know

8. love

9. the Kundalini

10. I don't care

11. nobody cares

12. All of the above

13. None of the above

(pick what is appropriate)

And then, be happy that either

1.the issue of free will is solved at last

or

2. the issue never existed at all!

(pick what is appropriate)

Jan

 

 

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Hi jan

 

I proposed a similar problem to my nephew wo is working toward his

PHD in psychology and he argued for free will. It is difficult to

give up the idea of doership once awareness of options is noted. It

seems so obvious that we do and choose.

 

To me the answer has to dawn on the person who thinks they have the

say. Once one can stand aside without consciousness fluctuating and

see actions occur without volition, one knows they have no choice.

Unless one can witness the changes in ones own thoughts alter as

ideas are presented or watch their own speech become involved in a

creative discussion, it is difficult to get the idea across that it

happens automatically.

 

It is like seeing the answer to a math problem in the back of the

book and being convinced the answer is wrong the student stops

considering the problem. Everything changes when the consideration

continues and the answer dawns.

 

Good experiment.

 

Love,

Bobby G.

 

, "ecirada" <janb@a...> wrote:

> Regarding free will here is a simple experiment:

> Sit on a chair, both feet on the ground.

> Now, please lift one foot, and it doesn't matter which one.

> Think it over... Which one will be lifted, right or left?

>

> And when it has been lifted, was that because of:

>

> 1. free will

> 2. God's will

> 3. determinism

> 4. choice

> 5. God's choice

> 6. God playing dice

> 7. I don't know

> 8. love

> 9. the Kundalini

> 10. I don't care

> 11. nobody cares

> 12. All of the above

> 13. None of the above

> (pick what is appropriate)

> And then, be happy that either

> 1.the issue of free will is solved at last

> or

> 2. the issue never existed at all!

> (pick what is appropriate)

>

> Jan

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On 6/30/02 at 3:40 PM texasbg2000 wrote:

 

ºHi jan

º

ºI proposed a similar problem to my nephew wo is working toward his

ºPHD in psychology and he argued for free will. It is difficult to

ºgive up the idea of doership once awareness of options is noted. It

ºseems so obvious that we do and choose.

 

Hi Bobby,

 

That sounds familiar - once the threshold of acceptance has been passed,

the idea/belief "sticks" and will be defended as if "owned". The bulk of

such ideas is what makes up conditioning as the thought patterns aren't really

absent, but run in the "background" and aren't noticed until awareness turns

"inside".

º

ºTo me the answer has to dawn on the person who thinks they have the

ºsay. Once one can stand aside without consciousness fluctuating and

ºsee actions occur without volition, one knows they have no choice.

ºUnless one can witness the changes in ones own thoughts alter as

ºideas are presented or watch their own speech become involved in a

ºcreative discussion, it is difficult to get the idea across that it

ºhappens automatically.

 

Well said: in the witness state, even actions_in_the_becoming can be noticed,

before the action takes place. Such an observation hints at thought processes

going on "behind" what is noticed on the surface..

 

º

ºIt is like seeing the answer to a math problem in the back of the

ºbook and being convinced the answer is wrong the student stops

ºconsidering the problem. Everything changes when the consideration

ºcontinues and the answer dawns.

 

Good analogy: The mind-body could be considered a well equipped

and rugged laboratory so the option of experimenting not only appeals

to a property like curiosity but invites to express the findings artistically,

without the need for being versed in the scholarly & scriptural lingo.

º

ºGood experiment.

 

Thank you - i was a bit amazed that the issue still was running so concocted the

experiment...

This mode of "solving" issues was the major reason for having an easy job in

engineering..

Yet there have been some hating me for that, for bypassing the books, the

authorities and

in their eyes, even God and the devil ;)

 

Love,

Jan

º

ºLove,

ºBobby G.

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