Guest guest Posted June 29, 2002 Report Share Posted June 29, 2002 Regarding free will here is a simple experiment: Sit on a chair, both feet on the ground. Now, please lift one foot, and it doesn't matter which one. Think it over... Which one will be lifted, right or left? And when it has been lifted, was that because of: 1. free will 2. God's will 3. determinism 4. choice 5. God's choice 6. God playing dice 7. I don't know 8. love 9. the Kundalini 10. I don't care 11. nobody cares 12. All of the above 13. None of the above (pick what is appropriate) And then, be happy that either 1.the issue of free will is solved at last or 2. the issue never existed at all! (pick what is appropriate) Jan Attachment: (image/gif) d.gif [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) h.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Hi jan I proposed a similar problem to my nephew wo is working toward his PHD in psychology and he argued for free will. It is difficult to give up the idea of doership once awareness of options is noted. It seems so obvious that we do and choose. To me the answer has to dawn on the person who thinks they have the say. Once one can stand aside without consciousness fluctuating and see actions occur without volition, one knows they have no choice. Unless one can witness the changes in ones own thoughts alter as ideas are presented or watch their own speech become involved in a creative discussion, it is difficult to get the idea across that it happens automatically. It is like seeing the answer to a math problem in the back of the book and being convinced the answer is wrong the student stops considering the problem. Everything changes when the consideration continues and the answer dawns. Good experiment. Love, Bobby G. , "ecirada" <janb@a...> wrote: > Regarding free will here is a simple experiment: > Sit on a chair, both feet on the ground. > Now, please lift one foot, and it doesn't matter which one. > Think it over... Which one will be lifted, right or left? > > And when it has been lifted, was that because of: > > 1. free will > 2. God's will > 3. determinism > 4. choice > 5. God's choice > 6. God playing dice > 7. I don't know > 8. love > 9. the Kundalini > 10. I don't care > 11. nobody cares > 12. All of the above > 13. None of the above > (pick what is appropriate) > And then, be happy that either > 1.the issue of free will is solved at last > or > 2. the issue never existed at all! > (pick what is appropriate) > > Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Being free of will and clear of mind... heehee :-) Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 On 6/30/02 at 3:40 PM texasbg2000 wrote: ºHi jan º ºI proposed a similar problem to my nephew wo is working toward his ºPHD in psychology and he argued for free will. It is difficult to ºgive up the idea of doership once awareness of options is noted. It ºseems so obvious that we do and choose. Hi Bobby, That sounds familiar - once the threshold of acceptance has been passed, the idea/belief "sticks" and will be defended as if "owned". The bulk of such ideas is what makes up conditioning as the thought patterns aren't really absent, but run in the "background" and aren't noticed until awareness turns "inside". º ºTo me the answer has to dawn on the person who thinks they have the ºsay. Once one can stand aside without consciousness fluctuating and ºsee actions occur without volition, one knows they have no choice. ºUnless one can witness the changes in ones own thoughts alter as ºideas are presented or watch their own speech become involved in a ºcreative discussion, it is difficult to get the idea across that it ºhappens automatically. Well said: in the witness state, even actions_in_the_becoming can be noticed, before the action takes place. Such an observation hints at thought processes going on "behind" what is noticed on the surface.. º ºIt is like seeing the answer to a math problem in the back of the ºbook and being convinced the answer is wrong the student stops ºconsidering the problem. Everything changes when the consideration ºcontinues and the answer dawns. Good analogy: The mind-body could be considered a well equipped and rugged laboratory so the option of experimenting not only appeals to a property like curiosity but invites to express the findings artistically, without the need for being versed in the scholarly & scriptural lingo. º ºGood experiment. Thank you - i was a bit amazed that the issue still was running so concocted the experiment... This mode of "solving" issues was the major reason for having an easy job in engineering.. Yet there have been some hating me for that, for bypassing the books, the authorities and in their eyes, even God and the devil Love, Jan º ºLove, ºBobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Free will? Who needs it? Be Function Enjoy Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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