The Lucknow Disease and other non-dual illnesses

June 30, 2002

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June 30, 2002

It arose here to say, "this form is neither late nor early,

but always now." Please reschedule my appointment

for now.

There's no point trying to get me

to pay the tip, when there are no others.

Some mighty interesting visual phenomena can happen

during those eye-meeting times -- sometimes

just a form of subtle contact, not a contest.

But then, "who's making contact ..."

Oops, foiled again,

Dan

, Robert O'Hearn <hrtbeat7> wrote:

>

> LUCKNOW DISEASE - linguistic malady befalling seekers at Papaji's.

Characterized by never using the word "I" - to encourage one's self

and also show others that there is no one at home here. Instead, they

would say stuff like "This form is going to the rest room."

>

> ADVAITA SHUFFLE - Conversational gambit. What Andrew Cohen accused

Gangaji of doing when she didn't want to talk about ethics and

enlightenment. Jumping to the absolute level at odd times. Like when

the

> receptionist asks why you were late for your doctor's

appointment. "There's no one

> here to go anywhere or be late for anything."

>

> LANDING - Losing one's enlightenment. What Gangaji accused Andrew

Cohen of having done. Term used by those who think of enlightenment

as a kind of thing that can be lost. Something like claiming

enlightenment and then getting peevish and petty over who pays the

tip at the diner.

>

> NONDUAL POLICE - Those who badger others to use nondual

terminology. Whenever they hear someone saying something like "I'm

going out for coffee," they barge in: "WHO is going out for coffee??"

Nondual police want everyone to always be in constant Ramana-self-

inquiry-mode.

>

> THE EYE THING - Keeping eye contact with the other person as long

as possible. Whoever drops their gaze first is not as established in

the Beloved. Some blinking is OK, but not too much. The deeper into

the

> Self you are, the longer you can hold it. Used by many satsang

teachers. One of my friends can out-stare anyone. He kinds of drops

into a Candida-mind-fog, and hours can go by.

>

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June 30, 2002

, "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

>It arose here to say, "this form is neither late nor early,

but always now." Please reschedule my appointment for now.

...... It arose here to reply, "This arising rose misses no

appointments, arising as no rose has ever arisen, nor ever will.

Even Joshu said 'No', when asked about the Buddha Nature of the

puppy, so why would it be any different for this rose?"

>There's no point trying to get me

to pay the tip, when there are no others.

..... Right, let them pay!

>Some mighty interesting visual phenomena can happen

during those eye-meeting times -- sometimes

just a form of subtle contact, not a contest.

.....Being in opposition is not actually being in opposition.

>But then, "who's making contact ..."

......only roses.

>Oops, foiled again,

Dan

..... let's rest our head in this bed of roses.

LoveAlways,

b

June 30, 2002

THE EYE THING - Keeping eye contact with the other person as long as

possible. Whoever drops their gaze first is not as established in the

Beloved. Some blinking is OK, but not too much. The deeper into the

Self you are, the longer you can hold it. Used by many satsang

teachers. One of my friends can out-stare anyone. He kinds of drops

into a Candida-mind-fog, and hours can go by.

Egads, that was ROTFL hilarious! I used to get just amused to riots

by teachers and Pretend Gurus with the Eye-thing, too! Fortunately,

I can secrete from my tear ducts at will, without blinking, and have

had the joyous moment of seeing the Exalted One quiver into chaos,

and begin violently wiping their Holy Orbs with a tissue when their

eyes had dried out from attempting to maintain this forever-stare.

Luckily, being older and wiser now, I avoid such silly games...but I

recently could not resist acting oddly when a visiting High Holy

Muckipoo came to town to lecture and would try to answer serious

questions with a small silver bell or chime, whenever he thought this

was a more profound answer. Having been familiar with this Very High

Holy Muckipoo's methods in advance, I managed to hide a loud cowbell

under my robe. When he asked a question (well, eventually, it had to

happen) I rang the cowbell. There was a moment of stillness and then

a riot of laughter. Well, that was the end of his career as a

bell-ringer!

Love,

Blessings,

Zenbob

June 30, 2002

Love you all. Oops. No one there to love; no one to love.

Yet somehow it is all love. Let's see the answer is in the back of

the book somewhere....

John L.

, "mazie_l" <sraddha54@h...> wrote:

> , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

>

> >It arose here to say, "this form is neither late nor early,

> but always now." Please reschedule my appointment for now.

>

> ..... It arose here to reply, "This arising rose misses no

> appointments, arising as no rose has ever arisen, nor ever will.

> Even Joshu said 'No', when asked about the Buddha Nature of the

> puppy, so why would it be any different for this rose?"

>

> >There's no point trying to get me

> to pay the tip, when there are no others.

>

> .... Right, let them pay!

>

> >Some mighty interesting visual phenomena can happen

> during those eye-meeting times -- sometimes

> just a form of subtle contact, not a contest.

>

> ....Being in opposition is not actually being in opposition.

>

> >But then, "who's making contact ..."

>

> .....only roses.

>

> >Oops, foiled again,

> Dan

>

> .... let's rest our head in this bed of roses.

>

> LoveAlways,

>

> b

June 30, 2002

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, mazie_l wrote:

>

> ..... It arose here to reply, "This arising rose misses no

> appointments, arising as no rose has ever arisen, nor ever will.

> Even Joshu said 'No', when asked about the Buddha Nature of the

> puppy, so why would it be any different for this rose?"

>

as i heard it,

he said 'mu'. The answer to which, they say, is known by every beginner to

the spiritual path .

--janpa

June 30, 2002

, Robert O'Hearn <hrtbeat7> wrote:

ROFLMAO!

Thankyou Robert. Now where can I share this doozie? :-))))))

Hello to ZenBob & how are the Goats?

Colette

>

> LUCKNOW DISEASE - linguistic malady befalling seekers at Papaji's.

Characterized by never using the word "I" - to encourage one's self

and also show others that there is no one at home here. Instead, they

would say stuff like "This form is going to the rest room."

>

> ADVAITA SHUFFLE - Conversational gambit. What Andrew Cohen accused

Gangaji of doing when she didn't want to talk about ethics and

enlightenment. Jumping to the absolute level at odd times. Like when

the

> receptionist asks why you were late for your doctor's

appointment. "There's no one

> here to go anywhere or be late for anything."

>

> LANDING - Losing one's enlightenment. What Gangaji accused Andrew

Cohen of having done. Term used by those who think of enlightenment

as a kind of thing that can be lost. Something like claiming

enlightenment and then getting peevish and petty over who pays the

tip at the diner.

>

> NONDUAL POLICE - Those who badger others to use nondual

terminology. Whenever they hear someone saying something like "I'm

going out for coffee," they barge in: "WHO is going out for coffee??"

Nondual police want everyone to always be in constant Ramana-self-

inquiry-mode.

>

> THE EYE THING - Keeping eye contact with the other person as long

as possible. Whoever drops their gaze first is not as established in

the Beloved. Some blinking is OK, but not too much. The deeper into

the

> Self you are, the longer you can hold it. Used by many satsang

teachers. One of my friends can out-stare anyone. He kinds of drops

into a Candida-mind-fog, and hours can go by.

>

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June 30, 2002

on 6/30/02 2:33 PM, johnrloganis at johnrloganis wrote:

Love you all. Oops. No one there to love; no one to love.

Yet somehow it is all love. Let's see the answer is in the back of

the book somewhere....

John L.

===============

Bwahahah......love it John oops ...is that ok? I think I've got it

here somewhere....ah, yes here it ....Andy Worhol's phylosophy " From

A to B and Back Again,"...

no on no it's the "one" next to it.... the Advaitist's Firsthandbook,

" From A to A and there's No Turning Back."

*

July 1, 2002

, "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01@m...> wrote:

as i heard it,

he said 'mu'. The answer to which, they say, is known by every

beginner to

the spiritual path .

....is that so?

LoveAlways,

b

July 1, 2002

That is a riot Zenbob! :-). You are my kind of guru buster. We have

to post some of your old hilarious commentaries on gurus from a

couple of years ago.

Do you have them handy?

I don't want to turn off any true devotees but there are enough

charlatans and gimmic oriented teachers (yes even the nondual types)

outthere to provide such high quality entertainment that it is not

something that should be overlooked for pure fun.

Love to all

Harsha

, zen2wrk@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/30/02 11:22:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> hrtbeat7 writes:

>

> > THE EYE THING - Keeping eye contact with the other person as

long as

> > possible. Whoever drops their gaze first is not as established in

the

> > Beloved. Some blinking is OK, but not too much. The deeper into

the

> > Self you are, the longer you can hold it. Used by many satsang

teachers.

> > One of my friends can out-stare anyone. He kinds of drops into a

> > Candida-mind-fog, and hours can go by.

> >

>

> Egads, that was ROTFL hilarious! I used to get just amused to

riots by

> teachers and Pretend Gurus with the Eye-thing, too! Fortunately,

I can

> secrete from my tear ducts at will, without blinking, and have had

the joyous

> moment of seeing the Exalted One quiver into chaos, and begin

violently

> wiping their Holy Orbs with a tissue when their eyes had dried out

from

> attempting to maintain this forever-stare.

>

> Luckily, being older and wiser now, I avoid such silly games...but

I recently

> could not resist acting oddly when a visiting High Holy Muckipoo

came to town

> to lecture and would try to answer serious questions with a small

silver bell

> or chime, whenever he thought this was a more profound answer.

Having been

> familiar with this Very High Holy Muckipoo's methods in advance, I

managed to

> hide a loud cowbell under my robe. When he asked a question (well,

> eventually, it had to happen) I rang the cowbell. There was a

moment of

> stillness and then a riot of laughter. Well, that was the end of

his career

> as a bell-ringer!

>

> Love,

>

> Blessings,

>

> Zenbob

July 3, 2002

b,

>...is that so?

obviously you are no beginner :-)

Wim

mazie_l [sraddha54]

Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:44 PM

Re: The Lucknow Disease and other non-dual

illnesses

, "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01@m...> wrote:

as i heard it,

he said 'mu'. The answer to which, they say, is known by every

beginner to

the spiritual path .

....is that so?

LoveAlways,

b

/join

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

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July 3, 2002

, Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote:

>obviously you are no beginner :-)

Dear Brother,

Deborah wrote:

"The answer ... is known by every beginner to the spiritual path",

but i am not on a spiritual path, so perhaps that begins to answer

the question?

Dutch Treats to you!

LoveAlways,

b

July 3, 2002

Hi Bob,

:-)

Wim

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July 3, 2002

On 7/3/02 at 3:41 PM Wim Borsboom wrote:

ºHi Bob,

º

º:-)

º

ºWim

Hoi Wim,

Als een komkommer zich geel verft mag hij zich banaan noemen nietwaar?

(If a cucumber paints itself yellow it might call itself banana isn't it?)

Jan

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ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

º

ºYour use of is subject to

July 3, 2002

, Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote:

> Hi Bob,

:-)

> Wim

.......Hi Wim!

LoveAlways,

b

July 3, 2002

, "ecirada" <janb@m...> wrote:

(If a cucumber paints itself yellow it might call itself banana isn't

it?)

..... Only if it uses Dutch Boy Paint!

LoveAlways,

b

July 3, 2002

, "ecirada" <janb@m...> wrote:

>Als een komkommer zich geel verft mag hij zich banaan noemen

nietwaar?

....kind of a catchy little phrase, hey Jan?

anyway, Mazie suggested that i elaborate on my comment to avoid

possible misinterpretation (as if).

one is neither "on" or "off" a spiritual path, anymore than a puppy

can "have" or "not have" a Buddha Nature, and thus there is no

beginning nor ending, except in the imagination.

Ah, the imagination....

"Has a dog Buddha Nature?

This is the most serious question of all.

If you say yes or no,

You lose your own Buddha Nature."

~ Mumon

LoveAlways,

b

July 3, 2002

On 7/3/02 at 11:46 PM mazie_l wrote:

º, "ecirada" <janb@m...> wrote:

º

º>Als een komkommer zich geel verft mag hij zich banaan noemen

ºnietwaar?

º

º...kind of a catchy little phrase, hey Jan?

Yes - it was coined that way

º

ºanyway, Mazie suggested that i elaborate on my comment to avoid

ºpossible misinterpretation (as if).

ºone is neither "on" or "off" a spiritual path, anymore than a puppy

ºcan "have" or "not have" a Buddha Nature, and thus there is no

ºbeginning nor ending, except in the imagination.

º

ºAh, the imagination....

Like Icarus soaring high.

º

º"Has a dog Buddha Nature?

ºThis is the most serious question of all.

ºIf you say yes or no,

ºYou lose your own Buddha Nature."

The implied assumption is, Buddha nature could be owned.

What isn't owned can't be lost ;-)

What can be gained and lost is at best, utilitarian.

º

º~ Mumon

Freedom without name

Peace,

Jan

º

ºLoveAlways,

º

ºb