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QUESTION:

 

If a Prodigy Child

proficient in an artform or such

is born into a society

unevolved to recognize such a particular artform,

could that culture have the capacity

to recognize it's own child as a Prodigy?

 

If not,

 

how would that society or culture

(inequipped to recognize a particular brand

of genius because it had not evolved far enough

to even recognize it)

react to it's own intuitive offspring?

 

Would that society/culture nurture and support

it's prodigy offspring

 

or neglect it because it was

not evolved enough to understand it?

 

Is it possible

there are prodigies among us here today

that our society has not evolved enough to understand…?

(and therefore mistreat)

 

David

(just wondering)

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A wonderful question, David.

 

First thing that comes to mind is that children should by nature be a bit

further ahead of their parents, them being, developmental wise, a new twig

on the tree of evolution... It may just be a small advance, but when so, one

that I consider that parents would be quickly cognizant of.

I only have an example in my son, a young computer programmer of some

stature. Myself and my wife both expected that he would follow somewhat in

our footsteps, him seeing us building our own house by our own hands, him

seeing us so involved in landscape and vegetable gardening. Us, giving him

plenty of opportunity to apply himself likewise, while him never taking the

bait so to say. The only thing that we saw him pick up on was our love for

nature, living in the woods, hiking, biking and so on.

We very early on noticed a trait in him though that we could not fathom, a

strange exact following of directions even when the directions were not

correct, and a lack of intuitive filling in of holes in our directions or

instructions, but he would invite us to explain ourselves better, giving him

more info. It was when he was still very young and programming languages

such as BASIC were still being developed, that we saw him pique his

interest, a pilot flame became a fire quickly. We then understood that his

following of directions and his peculiar way of dealing with instructions

early in life were the same as a computer program going through its logic,

instructions, and programming loops.

I had, me being a Montessori teacher, developed a neat 'hands on' way of

teaching programming using long strips of paper with instructions sliding as

algorithms through an instruction window, to make up stories, choosing from

story lines while using different sets of verbs, nouns, adverbs, adjectives,

prepositions and so forth. He improved upon the method quickly, giving me

hints on how to do it more effectively. When he was 16 he stood in front of

some two hundred government officials explaining internet to them and urging

them to embrace it quickly. I employed him in the company that I managed, to

have us use "computer bulletin board" technology to have our company do

email like stuff and accessing our teaching schedules through early modem

versions. Was he a prodigy? We as parents saw it, our friends and relatives

did not, they saw him only sitting in his bedroom day and night... not

knowing that he was already webbing the world widely. An extreme programmer

from birth?

 

Wim

(Obviously a proud parent, but could pride not be that what picks up on

prodigy qualities?)

(By the way, I wear underwear brand named Prodigy.)

(I have always felt that we as parents, were to learn from our children... I

am still doing that...)

 

 

 

 

 

david bozzi [david.bozzi]

Thursday, July 04, 2002 10:00 PM

Prodigy?

 

 

QUESTION:

 

If a Prodigy Child

proficient in an artform or such

is born into a society

unevolved to recognize such a particular artform,

could that culture have the capacity

to recognize it's own child as a Prodigy?

 

If not,

 

how would that society or culture

(inequipped to recognize a particular brand

of genius because it had not evolved far enough

to even recognize it)

react to it's own intuitive offspring?

 

Would that society/culture nurture and support

it's prodigy offspring

 

or neglect it because it was

not evolved enough to understand it?

 

Is it possible

there are prodigies among us here today

that our society has not evolved enough to understand…?

(and therefore mistreat)

 

David

(just wondering)

 

 

 

 

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This is a wonderful question. There have been some dark stories

written about such prodigies (often with psychic gifts) who seem

invariably to suffer at the hands of an intolernat and fearful

society who cannot understand or appreciate such gifts. Heinlein's

"Stranger in a Strange Land" comes to mind as a vivid example.

In a more positive outlook, we can see that new ideas and trends are

encouraged in many western societies, and that such a prodigy could

very well become the next Edison, Einstein, Beethoven, Rodin or Bill

Gates.

A lot has to do with the sense of "differentness" that any such

prodigy exhibited. Brilliant, super high IQ children usually either

learn to mask their intellect at an early age, just to "fit in" with

their lower IQ peers. If the prodigy is recognized for what he/she

is at an early enough age, they may be placed in a special school or

class for the gifted. This is not always a perfect thing, either, as

such kids sometimes never adjust to being in a world of "average" or

even "above average" people. Prodigies often burn out

early...tragically. Less than 25% of "gifted" children achieve the

level of success in adult life that experts would expect. Prodigies

tend to die young. Life is stressful and difficult for them. See "A

Beautiful Mind," for reference on this.

On the other hand, young prodigies today have the best chance ever for

achieving later success and happiness. More paths have developed for

them to move rapidly, but to also gain the necessary social skills

needed to survive in the "real world." Whatever that means. A lot

depends on the nature of the prodigy...and the special talent(s) that

they possess.

I think a brilliant prodigy should go easy...keep their most brilliant

talents in reserve, a bit. Not hide, mind you, but not flaunt,

either. If the prodigy were truly, truly brilliant, they would seek

to appear just above average...just a bit better in their abilities

than those they compete with, rather than blindingly superior. Such

vast differences would arouse jealousies, animosities and maybe worse

things.

Remember, if you come upon the Buddha while on the road...you are supposed to kill him.

Blessings,

Love,

Zenbob

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on 7/5/02 1:49 AM, zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com at zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

I think a brilliant prodigy should go easy...keep their most brilliant

talents in reserve, a bit. Not hide, mind you, but not flaunt,

either. If the prodigy were truly, truly brilliant, they would seek

to appear just above average...just a bit better in their abilities

than those they compete with, rather than blindingly superior. Such

vast differences would arouse jealousies, animosities and maybe worse

things.

Remember, if you come upon the Buddha while on the road...you are supposed to kill him.

Blessings,

Love,

Zenbob

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I am going to put all your shoulds and coulds in a basket called ideas and throw them out.

The buddha onthe road has nothing but a sandal on his head...I wonder if he is hungry.?

Shawn

Ps It's much easier not to pick up the idea, then you can easily see it for what it is.

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What's happening to you Shawn?

I'm missing that enthusiasm from your first posts...

> I am going to put all your shoulds and coulds in a

> basket called ideas and throw them out.

> It's much easier not to pick up the idea [of the prodigy],

> then you can easily see it for what it is.

To pick up the idea of prodigy is not any different than to pick up that basket...

"We all started out prodigies, all of us a new twig on the

evolutionary tree... That twig may have been pruned but there is

always a new bud waiting right above the spot where the pruning took

place..."

Wim

(From "Pruning and the Buddha Tree")

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Ps It's much easier not to pick up the idea, then you can easily see it for what it is.

I look around the corner and see myself again...oh the Zen world is a

funny one...and thanks for the reminder!

-Z

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To pick up the idea of prodigy is not any different than to pick up that basket...

"We all started out prodigies, all of us a new twig on the

evolutionary tree... That twig may have been pruned but there is

always a new bud waiting right above the spot where the pruning took

place..."

Wim

(From "Pruning and the Buddha Tree")

I like this very much.

Blessings,

-Zenbob

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What's happening to you Shawn?

I'm missing that enthusiasm from your first posts...

Am I a static thing? Wim, good sir, you cannot step in the same Shawn twice.

shanti

Shawn

:-) :-) :-) :-)

-Z

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