Guest guest Posted July 6, 2002 Report Share Posted July 6, 2002 Wim, Zenbob & Friends, In satsang #28111 Wim says: By the way, the fear is pretty well always about abandonment, nothing much to do with fear of accidental danger. To which Zenbob responds: This is a wonderful and truly revealing thing to do. I am most impressed! I agree that this "abandonment fear" is a real and usual thing even with the most tranquil and attained souls, if not the abandonment of their beloved, then the fear that the Divine might also leave them to fend for themselves in an often cold world. eric says: The reason they fear this Bob, is that this is their irrefutable experience. This abandonment has happened to them, as it has to all the rest of us, over and over in lives past; and it is not unnatural of us to assume that our faith and efforts will be similarly betrayed in the future. We don't like facing up to the fact that "Maya" is God's intention for us, and that only an ovewhelmingly massive trans-life commitment can overcome his/her intention. yours in the bonds, eric , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/5/02 8:22:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wim@a... writes: > > > > I did this technique once with one of our list members a few years ago, > > whose two portrait photos I picked off a website. It was not volunteered by > > that person, nor was it as unconditionally offered as I should have... The > > long term efficacy of the analysis became clear though... as a deep and > > stabilizing tranquillity is becoming evident. > > > > Wim > > PS > > By the way, the fear is pretty well always about abandonment, nothing much > > to do with fear of accidental danger. > > > > This is a wonderful and truly revealing thing to do. I am most impressed! > I agree that this "abandonment fear" is a real and usual thing even with the > most tranquil and attained souls, if not the abandonment of their beloved, > then the fear that the Divine might also leave them to fend for themselves in > an often cold world. > > I think that studying one's own eyes deeply is one of the deepest adventures > in self realization. It is a scary ride, too. We see much more than we > usually are prepared to accept. A multitude of beings inhabit our souls, and > the wolf, the raven, the shark and the mule often reveal themselves in our > gaze. > > I keep trying to civilize these guys, Wim, but for the life of me, once I > manage to get one beast into an Armani Suit, another shows up, shaggy and > breathing fire. > > That they all seem to enjoy one another's company is something, I suppose, > and in an emergency, some of these beasts sure prove to be of excellent > native intelligence and usefulness--but they threaten to act out even at > "civilized" events and I fear that Robert Louis Stevenson knew more about the > human character than our modern therapists seem to know today. > > Blessings > Love, > > Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2002 Report Share Posted July 6, 2002 Thanks Eric, You write: > The reason they fear this Bob, is that this is > their irrefutable experience. This abandonment > has happened to them, as it has to all the rest of us, > over and over in lives past; and it is not unnatural of > us to assume that our faith and efforts will be similarly > betrayed in the future. We may, if we like to, always remember our past fearful situations, but when the memories are discharged of the pressure and push of the past, when the momentum of the past like the torrent of a river has fanned itself out into a wide delta of arcadian tranquillity, when remembering is now just a memory, only anecdotal so to say, then we will see that our eyes do not display that fear anymore... I have seen it happen... Initially it is not irreversible, and that may actually not matter too much..., but once the flow of amrita has been physically established, the eyes will have it and show their blissful peace more often... Ah Lalita... eblack101 [EBlackstead] Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:11 AM Re: Death, fear and abandonment Wim, Zenbob & Friends, In satsang #28111 Wim says: By the way, the fear is pretty well always about abandonment, nothing much to do with fear of accidental danger. To which Zenbob responds: This is a wonderful and truly revealing thing to do. I am most impressed! I agree that this "abandonment fear" is a real and usual thing even with the most tranquil and attained souls, if not the abandonment of their beloved, then the fear that the Divine might also leave them to fend for themselves in an often cold world. We don't like facing up to the fact that "Maya" is God's intention for us, and that only an ovewhelmingly massive trans-life commitment can overcome his/her intention. yours in the bonds, eric , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/5/02 8:22:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wim@a... writes: > > > > I did this technique once with one of our list members a few years ago, > > whose two portrait photos I picked off a website. It was not volunteered by > > that person, nor was it as unconditionally offered as I should have... The > > long term efficacy of the analysis became clear though... as a deep and > > stabilizing tranquillity is becoming evident. > > > > Wim > > PS > > By the way, the fear is pretty well always about abandonment, nothing much > > to do with fear of accidental danger. > > > > This is a wonderful and truly revealing thing to do. I am most impressed! > I agree that this "abandonment fear" is a real and usual thing even with the > most tranquil and attained souls, if not the abandonment of their beloved, > then the fear that the Divine might also leave them to fend for themselves in > an often cold world. > > I think that studying one's own eyes deeply is one of the deepest adventures > in self realization. It is a scary ride, too. We see much more than we > usually are prepared to accept. A multitude of beings inhabit our souls, and > the wolf, the raven, the shark and the mule often reveal themselves in our > gaze. > > I keep trying to civilize these guys, Wim, but for the life of me, once I > manage to get one beast into an Armani Suit, another shows up, shaggy and > breathing fire. > > That they all seem to enjoy one another's company is something, I suppose, > and in an emergency, some of these beasts sure prove to be of excellent > native intelligence and usefulness--but they threaten to act out even at > "civilized" events and I fear that Robert Louis Stevenson knew more about the > human character than our modern therapists seem to know today. > > Blessings > Love, > > Zenbob /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Attachment: [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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