Bhagavad Gita, nothing to do and what is appropriate

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Jan, Zenbob, Wim & Friends,

 

Was it Zenbob who previously said: "Taking the stand that "all is

well, always and no action need ever be done" is not validated in

the empirical world."

 

eric says: "All is well, always and no action need ever be done" is a

very high stage of development. Still, for the being for whom it

manifests, Krishna would not order him/her into battle, but would

rather say, "Well done, good and faithful servant." For such a being,

scriptures are no longer necessary as guiding manuals. The Bhagaved

Gita is clearly written for those who need it, that is for those who

still have an active karma in need of actualization/translation, and

ultimately, transformation.

 

To arrive at "nothing needs to be done" is not an end, nor even an

end in itself. But to those who must endure it, it is helpful to

realize that it is the beginning of the end, which is, of course,

another way of saying "the beginning of the beginning".

 

if we cannot have satisfaction, let us have hope.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "ecirada" <janb@m...> wrote:

> On 7/6/02 at 3:08 AM zen2wrk@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/5/02 6:18:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

janb@m... writes:

>

>

>

> (public archives): there is no antidote for laziness yet, hence the

Western

> definition of Tanka has become "poem consisting of five short

lines".

>

>

>

> Besides this definition being abysmal, it is also reprehensible!

Your point is manifestly proven!

>

> I had a good laugh browsing the archive - predictably,

the "laziness" frame of mind

> cannot be converted to activity (tamas transforming into rajas

guna) unless another factor

> is introduced - for the sake of simplicity called "Love".

>

>

> I think I pushed that thought forward to illustrate that there is a

large gap between what we "understand to be reality" ("cogito") and

what we actually do in the world in order to live with reality

("Practicum"). I wished merely to flush the dialectic out of the

discussion to whatever degree was possible...to the ends that real

flesh and blood people in the real world must do real things in order

to survive.

>

> What you could have proposed is this:

> a common effort to design a form, specifically tailored to express

the inexpressible in English.

> Although i used the 5-7-5-7-7 in Dutch as well, that effort showed

the issue "design a language-specific form"

> much better than verbosity ever could..

>

> verbo city crowns

> noise the sound of city's views

> rules the darkest grey

> even it the music plays

> verbo city dumbo dim

>

> This very dualistic reality is what "at the end of the day" we

each have as our net experience, plus whatever our senses and

thoughts deliver to us. But, if we do not plant the seeds, our

gardens do not grow. Taking the stand that "all is well, always and

no action need ever be done" is not validated in the empirical

world. We cannot know the contents of a book merely by wishing it

were so--most of us must actually read it, and that is an action.

>

> I am going to rest now, that is my action.

> Usually it is considered, a coin has two sides but of course it has

three.

> The two depicted as polar pairs like action/inaction,

pleasure/pain, joy/sadness etc. etc.,

> the third is neither one of those two nor "nothing" yet the two

cannot exist without the third.

>

> >>>>>>>>>>(World Perfect)<<<<<<<<

>

> The world is perfect

> And then I saw a child cry

> How could I help her?

> I gave her my hand to hold

> She smiles--the world is perfect.

>

>

> Blessings,

> Love

>

>

> that deserves another one, "the pun of nothing":

>

> leela is the play

> teeming with activity

> where nothing does stay

>

> nothing happening?

> desert has to be the show

> where nothing can grow

>

> nothing fertilized

> nothing grown to holy cow

> nothing holy now

>

> nothing worth to deal

> nothing gives a better smoke

> when nothing is real

>

> Peace,

>

> Jan

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, "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote:

> Jan, Zenbob, Wim & Friends,

>

> Was it Zenbob who previously said: "Taking the stand that "all is

> well, always and no action need ever be done" is not validated in

> the empirical world."

>

> eric says: "All is well, always and no action need ever be done" is

a

> very high stage of development.

 

I would ask my learned brother Ericji if this is an impermanent

beauty, that reveals ever underlying onions to taste & no taste,

overlaying the constant beauty & majesty of mankind?

 

The doer & the nondoer are confidantes imo. It's not just one & it's

not just the other.

 

Love abounds.

 

Colette

[Guest guest]

Hi Colette,

we got a couple of Erics on this list.

Can't have too many!

No, let me say, that it was not I that said that.

I think Eric B, heard it somewhere else.

love

eric

, "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote:

> Jan, Zenbob, Wim & Friends,

>

> Was it Zenbob who previously said: "Taking the stand that "all is

> well, always and no action need ever be done" is not validated in

> the empirical world."

>

> eric says: "All is well, always and no action need ever be done" is

a

> very high stage of development.

I would ask my learned brother Ericji if this is an impermanent

beauty, that reveals ever underlying onions to taste & no taste,

overlaying the constant beauty & majesty of mankind?

The doer & the nondoer are confidantes imo. It's not just one & it's

not just the other.

Love abounds.

Colette

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perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It

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[Guest guest]

Colette & Friends,

 

Colette, as to onions, taste and no taste, constant beauty and the

majesty of mankind, those are terms outside my personal lexicon, and

I'll leave commentary in those terms to you and other of our friends

that find comfort and similitude in this and similar idioms.

 

As to "the doer and the non-doer being confidants", if I understand

you well enough, that would be the thing itself, and not a stage,

either high or low.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

 

 

, "pearlwhiterainbow" <white_rainbow@h...>

wrote:

> , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote:

> > Jan, Zenbob, Wim & Friends,

> >

> > Was it Zenbob who previously said: "Taking the stand that "all is

> > well, always and no action need ever be done" is not validated

in

> > the empirical world."

> >

> > eric says: "All is well, always and no action need ever be done"

is

> a

> > very high stage of development.

>

> I would ask my learned brother Ericji if this is an impermanent

> beauty, that reveals ever underlying onions to taste & no taste,

> overlaying the constant beauty & majesty of mankind?

>

> The doer & the nondoer are confidantes imo. It's not just one &

it's

> not just the other.

>

> Love abounds.

>

> Colette