Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 , Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Wow Harsha-ji, counting all the root beer floats, bananas, mangos and protein whey drinks, that's a lot of tears!!! > > Speaking of tears, I saw a Chinese movie last night in which they said an interesting thing. When you cry from losing money (like being a robbery victim, losing in gambling, mahjong, etc.), then the tears will flow from the outside edges of the eyes. When you cry for lost love (romantic breakups, the loss of a relative, etc.), the tears flow from the centers of the eyes. > > Nice to hear from you! > > Love to all, > > --Greg Thanks Gregji for this sharing. I can see how being a robbery victim would cause different sort of emotions than a romantic breakup. The fact that the chinese movies have confirmed this truth and have even suggested the exact location of the tears under different human trials is quite comforting and practical as well. Next time someone comes to me weeping, I will have to ask them to keep their eyes wide open for me to accurately judge the cause of their unhappiness. Although on second thought, it may be easier to just ask. Back to Boddhisattva stuff. It seems to me we are all Boddhisattvas for each other at some point or another. To postulate a higher being, who has transcended suffering, and therefore can help others may be helpful to some and/or feed the illusion and dependence of others. However, one could also reason that the "Boddhisattva" who under the illusion of being able to help others, in addition to the usual suffering is simply burried under an extra layer of his/her own suffering. The denial that the double layer of suffering is present for the "Boddhisattva" only compounds the problem and makes for a thick tripple layer suffering! :-). Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an extraordianry being who is going to save others? Hopefully wisdom does not require taking up an extra burden of keeping the hair trim and neat, the shoes shiny and otherwise hold up some polished image! Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Okay, so you don't want to say what's beautiful and magical about this ideal for you, Greg. No problem. Kind of amazed at all that was stirred up by a simple question that was seemingly going to just pass away in the breeze. Well, see, now it's passed anyway :-) Blessed be ... Dan , Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Wow Harsha-ji, counting all the root beer floats, bananas, mangos and protein whey drinks, that's a lot of tears!!! > > Speaking of tears, I saw a Chinese movie last night in which they said an interesting thing. When you cry from losing money (like being a robbery victim, losing in gambling, mahjong, etc.), then the tears will flow from the outside edges of the eyes. When you cry for lost love (romantic breakups, the loss of a relative, etc.), the tears flow from the centers of the eyes. > > Nice to hear from you! > > Love to all, > > --Greg > > At 09:48 PM 7/8/02 +0000, harshaimtm wrote: > > I like tofu too now and then guys! :-). Greg once said that unless > you start weeping ocean of tears when you hear the word Boddhisattva, > he would not explain the teaching (or the teaching could not be > given), because it was too precious and stuff for dry stone hearted > folks. Yes, I am putting words in Greg's mouth (that's the beauty and > magic) but the question is Sri Danji, do you start crying when you > hear the word Boddhisattva? Are you willing to give the tears a try! > > ... > > I personally find nothing magical and beautiful about a Boddhisattva > that cannot be found in a bannana or a mango (that's for you JanB) or > a whey protein drink (that's for you DavidB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an extraordianry being who is going to save others? Hopefully wisdom does not require taking up an extra burden of keeping the hair trim and neat, the shoes shiny and otherwise hold up some polished image! In this facet, there is a slight misbelief, Harsha-san. A true Bodhisattva never reveals nor would claim this nature in any public manner!!! It would immediately revoke their Bodhisattva license, for it would cease to be "Selfless." Furthermore, it would make their efforts to point the way, or assist the unlucky impossible to carry out correctly. It is the same as the nature of true philanthropy, which must be anonymous if it is to be authentic. Any self promotion voids the "selflessness" of it. Also, Bodhisattvas must fill out annual reports, in triplicate, describing their efforts, their failures, entanglements and earthly progress. Any failure to correctly file these reports results in their immediate recall from the earthly plane. Boshisattvas, can, by the way, request a suspension and even a complete revocation of their charter at these annual interval reports. This does not mean that all such requests are granted, as there are a set number of available Bodhisattvas assigned to the earth at any given time, and often there are actually shortages. In stark contrast to the insipid TV SHow "Torched By An Angel" in which perfectly mediocre humans with few if any redeeming qualities are beset by flocks of ravenous Angels, all willing to perform endless miraculous acts (all long after iany real human tragedy had occurred in order to win this miserable soul for an obviously senile and wacko God) when vast multitudes of decent and even innocent humans suffer horribly and die in other countries...well...the point is that there just are not that many Bodhisattvas available...and sadly, Harsha, it is the kind of innocent remark that you posted that can nip a budding Bodhisattva and convince them that they will not only suffer silently, but in fact, be runner-up to Root Beer Floats, when all the Lotus Petals are Counted. Consider this well, dear friend. You can never know who walking among you may be a Bodhisattva, but the unique fragrence of their feet might be a hint. Then again, never mind that...pausing to smell the feet of strangers could only get you either in trouble, or very disgusted. Blessings, Love, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 I was thinking of writing something on this subject, but what you have expressed here pretty much covers it. love eric. Hi Zenbob, Harsha, et al: Here are my two cents. Bodhisattvas are around us everywhere. The person willing to die for another, the person wanting to die but willing to stay for others such as POW's, and people willing to help at the risk of seeming foolish, are bodhisattvas. It is very wonderful to me that there is help. In Greek Myth we have the various roles available for people. By reading them and telling them as stories people have been able to understand human nature. People are mixtures of these roles because the true identity is shapeless and may assume any shape. To me the idea of the bodhisattva is like a role that is played sometimes but given up because of impurities that cause distractions. What is the nature of a valid cognition, or, not being mistaken. That there is a way to understand built into life is the direct cause of gratitude. Blocking gratitude is a direct effect of conceit and the ego. See Yoga Sutra III. 51. to note that Patanjali tells us of higher beings and being in their presence should not bring pride because that means we have slipped back and are in their presence no longer. Jesus is the greatest of all Bodhisattvas in that he is not willing to go into heaven but has sacrificed himself as the one who will hold open the doors for everyone else until everyone is through. That is the role of the Christ. That he felt blessed to receive this is one interpretation of his praying in the Garden before he is arrested to be crucified. He is saying, You may let this cup pass, as if to say you may let another have this place of honor for many are worthy. It is preferable to me than to think he regretted his destiny. A little heartache is a good thing. The love required to wait for everyone is admirable but also expected if one is Love itself. Love Bobby G. , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/8/02 8:27:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, harsha@c... > writes: > > > > Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an > > extraordianry being who is going to save others? Hopefully wisdom > > does not require taking up an extra burden of keeping the hair trim > > and neat, the shoes shiny and otherwise hold up some polished image! > > > > > > In this facet, there is a slight misbelief, Harsha-san. A true Bodhisattva > never reveals nor would claim this nature in any public manner!!! It would > immediately revoke their Bodhisattva license, for it would cease to be > "Selfless." Furthermore, it would make their efforts to point the way, or > assist the unlucky impossible to carry out correctly. It is the same as the > nature of true philanthropy, which must be anonymous if it is to be > authentic. Any self promotion voids the "selflessness" of it. > > Also, Bodhisattvas must fill out annual reports, in triplicate, describing > their efforts, their failures, entanglements and earthly progress. Any > failure to correctly file these reports results in their immediate recall > from the earthly plane. > Boshisattvas, can, by the way, request a suspension and even a complete > revocation of their charter at these annual interval reports. > > This does not mean that all such requests are granted, as there are a set > number of available Bodhisattvas assigned to the earth at any given time, and > often there are actually shortages. In stark contrast to the insipid TV SHow > "Torched By An Angel" in which perfectly mediocre humans with few if any > redeeming qualities are beset by flocks of ravenous Angels, all willing to > perform endless miraculous acts (all long after iany real human tragedy had > occurred in order to win this miserable soul for an obviously senile and > wacko God) when vast multitudes of decent and even innocent humans suffer > horribly and die in other countries...well...the point is that there just are > not that many Bodhisattvas available...and sadly, Harsha, it is the kind of > innocent remark that you posted that can nip a budding Bodhisattva and > convince them that they will not only suffer silently, but in fact, be > runner-up to Root Beer Floats, when all the Lotus Petals are Counted. > > Consider this well, dear friend. You can never know who walking among you > may be a Bodhisattva, but the unique fragrence of their feet might be a hint. > Then again, never mind that...pausing to smell the feet of strangers could > only get you either in trouble, or very disgusted. > > Blessings, > Love, > > Zenbob ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! Click Here! ---~-> /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. 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Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 > Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an > extraordianry being who is going to save others? Hi Harsha -- Answer: To have an opportunity to sell off all the stock he or she has in the company, while recording expenses as profits, collecting a bonus, taking out a loan at zero percent, and leaving others feeling very reassured as he/she leaves for a vacation in the Bahamas. Really just guessing, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 > Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an extraordianry being who is going to save others? ..... the other channels only played re-runs? LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Hi Zenbob, Harsha, et al: Here are my two cents. Bodhisattvas are around us everywhere. The person willing to die for another, the person wanting to die but willing to stay for others such as POW's, and people willing to help at the risk of seeming foolish, are bodhisattvas. It is very wonderful to me that there is help. In Greek Myth we have the various roles available for people. By reading them and telling them as stories people have been able to understand human nature. People are mixtures of these roles because the true identity is shapeless and may assume any shape. To me the idea of the bodhisattva is like a role that is played sometimes but given up because of impurities that cause distractions. What is the nature of a valid cognition, or, not being mistaken. That there is a way to understand built into life is the direct cause of gratitude. Blocking gratitude is a direct effect of conceit and the ego. See Yoga Sutra III. 51. to note that Patanjali tells us of higher beings and being in their presence should not bring pride because that means we have slipped back and are in their presence no longer. Jesus is the greatest of all Bodhisattvas in that he is not willing to go into heaven but has sacrificed himself as the one who will hold open the doors for everyone else until everyone is through. That is the role of the Christ. That he felt blessed to receive this is one interpretation of his praying in the Garden before he is arrested to be crucified. He is saying, You may let this cup pass, as if to say you may let another have this place of honor for many are worthy. It is preferable to me than to think he regretted his destiny. A little heartache is a good thing. The love required to wait for everyone is admirable but also expected if one is Love itself. Love Bobby G. , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/8/02 8:27:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, harsha@c... > writes: > > > > Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an > > extraordianry being who is going to save others? Hopefully wisdom > > does not require taking up an extra burden of keeping the hair trim > > and neat, the shoes shiny and otherwise hold up some polished image! > > > > > > In this facet, there is a slight misbelief, Harsha-san. A true Bodhisattva > never reveals nor would claim this nature in any public manner!!! It would > immediately revoke their Bodhisattva license, for it would cease to be > "Selfless." Furthermore, it would make their efforts to point the way, or > assist the unlucky impossible to carry out correctly. It is the same as the > nature of true philanthropy, which must be anonymous if it is to be > authentic. Any self promotion voids the "selflessness" of it. > > Also, Bodhisattvas must fill out annual reports, in triplicate, describing > their efforts, their failures, entanglements and earthly progress. Any > failure to correctly file these reports results in their immediate recall > from the earthly plane. > Boshisattvas, can, by the way, request a suspension and even a complete > revocation of their charter at these annual interval reports. > > This does not mean that all such requests are granted, as there are a set > number of available Bodhisattvas assigned to the earth at any given time, and > often there are actually shortages. In stark contrast to the insipid TV SHow > "Torched By An Angel" in which perfectly mediocre humans with few if any > redeeming qualities are beset by flocks of ravenous Angels, all willing to > perform endless miraculous acts (all long after iany real human tragedy had > occurred in order to win this miserable soul for an obviously senile and > wacko God) when vast multitudes of decent and even innocent humans suffer > horribly and die in other countries...well...the point is that there just are > not that many Bodhisattvas available...and sadly, Harsha, it is the kind of > innocent remark that you posted that can nip a budding Bodhisattva and > convince them that they will not only suffer silently, but in fact, be > runner-up to Root Beer Floats, when all the Lotus Petals are Counted. > > Consider this well, dear friend. You can never know who walking among you > may be a Bodhisattva, but the unique fragrence of their feet might be a hint. > Then again, never mind that...pausing to smell the feet of strangers could > only get you either in trouble, or very disgusted. > > Blessings, > Love, > > Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: >The love required to wait for everyone is admirable but also expected if one is Love itself. ......Hi Bobby G! i very much enjoyed your post, but was wondering if you might clarify for this dense fool here the origin & owner of such expectations about what is required of Love? Thank you! LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Upon leaping through the door marked "bodhisattvas," I didn't find my self again sitting on this chair, typing this message. There's no question of who's doing it, it's just doing. I notice now, from the couch of unconcern, there is a sign on the other side of that door! It says, "pdjdyr4%#@#@**!!!!!1**8*qzpfhg%^5jjjj," and the beauty is, the not-understanding IS perfectly acceptable. All motivation to get up from this couch is relieved of it's seriousness. When John Wayn plays Jesus, it's a comedy.....and when Chareton Heston plays Moses, it's a tragedy. OOOPS, I just stepped in something....what was that? .....don't get me started.... love a peace of pie ( in keeping with the lunch theme) Shawn ====================== on 7/9/02 10:14 AM, hrtbeat7 at hrtbeat7 wrote: , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: >The love required to wait for everyone is admirable but also expected if one is Love itself. ......Hi Bobby G! i very much enjoyed your post, but was wondering if you might clarify for this dense fool here the origin & owner of such expectations about what is required of Love? Thank you! LoveAlways, b /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: >Upon leaping through the door marked "bodhisattvas," I didn't find my self again sitting on this chair, typing this message. There's no question of who's doing it, it's just doing. .....Hi zgw37*(%wwN ! It's over 100 degrees today, and tomorrow it's predicted to hit 110. Air Conditioning at work, but not at home. "In the summer we sweat, in the winter we shiver." ~ Moo Shoo :-)) LoveAlways, #i*&GWh)*!~K,/'+/-^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Thanks Eric A. , ErcAshfrd@a... wrote: > Thanks Bobby G, > > > I was thinking of writing something on this subject, but what you have > expressed here pretty much covers it. > > love > > eric. > > > > > > > Hi Zenbob, Harsha, et al: > > > > Here are my two cents. > > > > Bodhisattvas are around us everywhere. > > > > The person willing to die for another, the person wanting to die but > > willing to stay for others such as POW's, and people willing to help > > at the risk of seeming foolish, are bodhisattvas. > > > > It is very wonderful to me that there is help. > > > > In Greek Myth we have the various roles available for people. By > > reading them and telling them as stories people have been able to > > understand human nature. People are mixtures of these roles because > > the true identity is shapeless and may assume any shape. To me the > > idea of the bodhisattva is like a role that is played sometimes but > > given up because of impurities that cause distractions. > > > > What is the nature of a valid cognition, or, not being mistaken. > > That there is a way to understand built into life is the direct cause > > of gratitude. Blocking gratitude is a direct effect of conceit and > > the ego. > > > > See Yoga Sutra III. 51. to note that Patanjali tells us of higher > > beings and being in their presence should not bring pride because > > that means we have slipped back and are in their presence no longer. > > > > Jesus is the greatest of all Bodhisattvas in that he is not willing > > to go into heaven but has sacrificed himself as the one who will hold > > open the doors for everyone else until everyone is through. That is > > the role of the Christ. > > > > That he felt blessed to receive this is one interpretation of his > > praying in the Garden before he is arrested to be crucified. He is > > saying, You may let this cup pass, as if to say you may let another > > have this place of honor for many are worthy. It is preferable to me > > than to think he regretted his destiny. A little heartache is a good > > thing. > > > > The love required to wait for everyone is admirable but also expected > > if one is Love itself. > > > > Love > > Bobby G. > > > > > > , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/8/02 8:27:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > harsha@c... > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an > > > > extraordianry being who is going to save others? Hopefully wisdom > > > > does not require taking up an extra burden of keeping the hair > > trim > > > > and neat, the shoes shiny and otherwise hold up some polished > > image! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this facet, there is a slight misbelief, Harsha-san. A true > > Bodhisattva > > > never reveals nor would claim this nature in any public manner!!! > > It would > > > immediately revoke their Bodhisattva license, for it would cease to > > be > > > "Selfless." Furthermore, it would make their efforts to point the > > way, or > > > assist the unlucky impossible to carry out correctly. It is the > > same as the > > > nature of true philanthropy, which must be anonymous if it is to be > > > authentic. Any self promotion voids the "selflessness" of it. > > > > > > Also, Bodhisattvas must fill out annual reports, in triplicate, > > describing > > > their efforts, their failures, entanglements and earthly progress. > > Any > > > failure to correctly file these reports results in their immediate > > recall > > > from the earthly plane. > > > Boshisattvas, can, by the way, request a suspension and even a > > complete > > > revocation of their charter at these annual interval reports. > > > > > > This does not mean that all such requests are granted, as there are > > a set > > > number of available Bodhisattvas assigned to the earth at any given > > time, and > > > often there are actually shortages. In stark contrast to the > > insipid TV SHow > > > "Torched By An Angel" in which perfectly mediocre humans with few > > if any > > > redeeming qualities are beset by flocks of ravenous Angels, all > > willing to > > > perform endless miraculous acts (all long after iany real human > > tragedy had > > > occurred in order to win this miserable soul for an obviously > > senile and > > > wacko God) when vast multitudes of decent and even innocent humans > > suffer > > > horribly and die in other countries...well...the point is that > > there just are > > > not that many Bodhisattvas available...and sadly, Harsha, it is the > > kind of > > > innocent remark that you posted that can nip a budding Bodhisattva > > and > > > convince them that they will not only suffer silently, but in fact, > > be > > > runner-up to Root Beer Floats, when all the Lotus Petals are > > Counted. > > > > > > Consider this well, dear friend. You can never know who walking > > among you > > > may be a Bodhisattva, but the unique fragrence of their feet might > > be a hint. > > > Then again, never mind that...pausing to smell the feet of > > strangers could > > > only get you either in trouble, or very disgusted. > > > > > > Blessings, > > > Love, > > > > > > Zenbob > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is > > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality > > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self- Knowledge, > > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. 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Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 , v <amused@p...> wrote: > I really appreciate these viewpoints because even though people say > "there is nothing new under the sun" - that is a jaundiced viewpoint - > as even seeing things as these viewpoints are fresh for me, and > certainly fresh for others - thankyou for them! > (smiley) > valerie > Hi Valerie: fOR MY PART , you are welcome and thanks. Love Bobby G. > > texasbg2000 wrote: > > > Hi Zenbob, Harsha, et al: > > > > Here are my two cents. > > > > Bodhisattvas are around us everywhere. > > > > The person willing to die for another, the person wanting to die but > > willing to stay for others such as POW's, and people willing to help > > at the risk of seeming foolish, are bodhisattvas. > > > > It is very wonderful to me that there is help. > > > > In Greek Myth we have the various roles available for people. By > > reading them and telling them as stories people have been able to > > understand human nature. People are mixtures of these roles because > > the true identity is shapeless and may assume any shape. To me the > > idea of the bodhisattva is like a role that is played sometimes but > > given up because of impurities that cause distractions. > > > > What is the nature of a valid cognition, or, not being mistaken. > > That there is a way to understand built into life is the direct cause > > of gratitude. Blocking gratitude is a direct effect of conceit and > > the ego. > > > > See Yoga Sutra III. 51. to note that Patanjali tells us of higher > > beings and being in their presence should not bring pride because > > that means we have slipped back and are in their presence no longer. > > > > Jesus is the greatest of all Bodhisattvas in that he is not willing > > to go into heaven but has sacrificed himself as the one who will hold > > open the doors for everyone else until everyone is through. That is > > the role of the Christ. > > > > That he felt blessed to receive this is one interpretation of his > > praying in the Garden before he is arrested to be crucified. He is > > saying, You may let this cup pass, as if to say you may let another > > have this place of honor for many are worthy. It is preferable to me > > than to think he regretted his destiny. A little heartache is a good > > thing. > > > > The love required to wait for everyone is admirable but also expected > > if one is Love itself. > > > > Love > > Bobby G. > > > > > > , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/8/02 8:27:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > harsha@c... > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an > > > > extraordianry being who is going to save others? Hopefully wisdom > > > > does not require taking up an extra burden of keeping the hair > > trim > > > > and neat, the shoes shiny and otherwise hold up some polished > > image! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this facet, there is a slight misbelief, Harsha-san. A true > > Bodhisattva > > > never reveals nor would claim this nature in any public manner!!! > > It would > > > immediately revoke their Bodhisattva license, for it would cease to > > be > > > "Selfless." Furthermore, it would make their efforts to point the > > way, or > > > assist the unlucky impossible to carry out correctly. It is the > > same as the > > > nature of true philanthropy, which must be anonymous if it is to be > > > authentic. Any self promotion voids the "selflessness" of it. > > > > > > Also, Bodhisattvas must fill out annual reports, in triplicate, > > describing > > > their efforts, their failures, entanglements and earthly progress. > > Any > > > failure to correctly file these reports results in their immediate > > recall > > > from the earthly plane. > > > Boshisattvas, can, by the way, request a suspension and even a > > complete > > > revocation of their charter at these annual interval reports. > > > > > > This does not mean that all such requests are granted, as there are > > a set > > > number of available Bodhisattvas assigned to the earth at any given > > time, and > > > often there are actually shortages. In stark contrast to the > > insipid TV SHow > > > "Torched By An Angel" in which perfectly mediocre humans with few > > if any > > > redeeming qualities are beset by flocks of ravenous Angels, all > > willing to > > > perform endless miraculous acts (all long after iany real human > > tragedy had > > > occurred in order to win this miserable soul for an obviously > > senile and > > > wacko God) when vast multitudes of decent and even innocent humans > > suffer > > > horribly and die in other countries...well...the point is that > > there just are > > > not that many Bodhisattvas available...and sadly, Harsha, it is the > > kind of > > > innocent remark that you posted that can nip a budding Bodhisattva > > and > > > convince them that they will not only suffer silently, but in fact, > > be > > > runner-up to Root Beer Floats, when all the Lotus Petals are > > Counted. > > > > > > Consider this well, dear friend. You can never know who walking > > among you > > > may be a Bodhisattva, but the unique fragrence of their feet might > > be a hint. > > > Then again, never mind that...pausing to smell the feet of > > strangers could > > > only get you either in trouble, or very disgusted. > > > > > > Blessings, > > > Love, > > > > > > Zenbob > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > > Self. 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Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Dear B > >The love required to wait for everyone is admirable but also > expected if one is Love itself. > > > .....Hi Bobby G! > > i very much enjoyed your post, but was wondering if you might clarify > for this dense fool here the origin & owner of such expectations Thank you. All Supplicants. (those who confuse the Self for the instrument of seeing [i stole that from Patanjali] but want to stop.) > about what is required of Love? There was no mention of what is required of love. You got it backwards but your humility served you well. The love required to wait would be what we supplicants expect love itself to be (in my view). I believe it is in the nature of gratitude to show it. > > Thank you! No Problem > > LoveAlways, > > b Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: >All Supplicants. (those who confuse the Self for the instrument of seeing [i stole that from Patanjali] but want to stop.) ....Dear Bobby, thank you for your generous reply! on a few points i am still not clear (it's late in the day and quite hot here): if there is only the Self, wouldn't the instrument of seeing also be the Self? remembering Kirtana's song just now: "The fishes are confused, in searching for the sea..." >The love required to wait would be what we supplicants expect love itself to be (in my view). .....sounds like this expectation is based on some belief, in other words. am i reading you right? >I believe it is in the nature of gratitude to show it. ..... yes, it seems to be, in many cases. Thanks again, and especially for your stunning art! LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 on 7/9/02 11:32 AM, hrtbeat7 at hrtbeat7 wrote: .....Hi zgw37*(%wwN ! It's over 100 degrees today, and tomorrow it's predicted to hit 110. Air Conditioning at work, but not at home. ========= I don't envy *you* anymore! Bwahahah--you slay me Lazer, you really do...what was that..." Mr Twisty's waxin' mysty? Cracked me up,...come on over, there's nice trades today! ========================== "In the summer we sweat, in the winter we shiver." ~ Moo Shoo :-)) ======================== In winter, I'm sweet no need for a sweater -gai pan ===================== LoveAlways, #i*&GWh)*!~K,/'+/-^ ================= *there* you are! ..of course. (((((((((( ))))))))))))))) Shawn...(dam, he's back) Sponsor /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > >All Supplicants. (those who confuse the Self for the > instrument of seeing [i stole that from Patanjali] but want to > stop.) > > ...Dear Bobby, > thank you for your generous reply! > on a few points i am still not clear > (it's late in the day and quite hot here): > > if there is only the Self, > wouldn't the instrument of seeing > also be the Self? Hi Robert: I try to keep the frame of reference in either the relative or the absolute sense, one or the other. I realize there are many ways of understanding this distinction. I do not know if I could relate mine without great difficulty. Ramana wrote devotional songs as if he were a devotee. He took, in my terminology, the relative viewpoint in doing that. About the 'instrument of seeing' being the Self also. The definition of either of these within the framework of seeking liberation (regardless of how much that seeking may hinder one)has no meaning without the other. One would not speak of the Self if one did not feel it lost. It would not occur to one. To say they are the same would be an error in that relative framework. Now, they are obviously the same if seen in the 'absolute' sense. For instance, one sees a snake that turns out to be a rope. The tendency to see a snake is still there the next time one comes on that rope, only probably lessened by experience. Therefore one can say the snake, although imaginary by comparison to the rope in the relative sense, still exists in the same way the rope exists in the absolute sense. The potential for the rope being snake is always there just as is the potential for any illusion. Therefore the illusion exists in the absolute sense. There is a snake there if we run, a rope if we tie something up with it. There is the 'instrument of seeing' if it is acted upon and the Self when not. > > remembering Kirtana's song just now: > > "The fishes are confused, > in searching for the sea..." > > > >The love required to wait would be what we supplicants expect love > itself to be (in my view). > > ....sounds like this expectation is based on some belief, in other > words. am i reading you right? I don't know what you mean. As I remember your other post you read me exactly wrong. The sacrifice of waiting till all are free before the bodhisattva enters nirvana is the evidence of great love. There is nothing that needs clarifying there. I used the word with the most reverence I could manage in a very specific sense. I'm sorry about the heat. > > >I believe it is in the nature of gratitude to show it. > > > .... yes, it seems to be, in many cases. > > > Thanks again, > and especially for your stunning art! > Thank you very much. Your stunning literary skills have been noted as well. I wish you and Mazie much happiness. She has a remarkable talent and zest. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: > > Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an > > extraordianry being who is going to save others? > > Hi Harsha -- > > Answer: > > To have an opportunity to sell off all the stock he or > she has in the company, while recording expenses > as profits, collecting a bonus, taking out > a loan at zero percent, and leaving others > feeling very reassured as he/she leaves > for a vacation in the Bahamas. > > Really just guessing, > Dan OK Sri Danji. That's the best answer. I just want to say to everyone, you are all very beautiful and extremely worthy to receive the best Grace available anywhere. I take everything back that I might have said about Boddhisattvas that was not nice or something. Zenbob, regular Bob, Mazie (you are something else!), Shawn, BigTexasBob, Big Wim with the Wig, Jill (the best!), Greg, Al, Al, Al, Al, my pal, Gloria, Jerry, Jerrysan (hope you are well) DavidH, DavidB, Val, Linda, Amanda, Bruce, Master Pham, Zenbob, EricA (my guru poet), EricB (my guru in bodnds - so sorry - you are best the superemest and most worthy and I love you) and all of you beautiful worthy people with the wonderful hearts. Sorry if I forgot everyone, I am on the web and can't see the names. I feel so fortunate to know you. Lots and lots of love to everyone this morning and every morning Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Lovely thoughts shared...I think that it is a safe bet to consider Jesus a Bodhisattva. And this thread now neatly ties the Bodhisattva Ideal discussion to the "Who is Jesus" discussion...in a sort of Yogi posture trick that is admirable, too. Blessings, Love, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: >come on over, there's nice trades today! Dear Brother, i was over in Kuaui last fall for the first time, and i must say it is quite the earthly paradise. i particularly like Honnalei(?) area on the northern coast, and was contemplating what it would take to move there (short of a well-situated annuity or trust fund). i am not a dealer, grower, painter or park ranger, so those options are out. please let me know if you have any suggestions. Thanks, LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: >I try to keep the frame of reference in either the relative or the absolute sense, one or the other. I realize there are many ways of understanding this distinction. I do not know if I could relate mine without great difficulty. ....Nevertheless, Dear Bobby, i appreciate you taking the effort to try, as much as i enjoy considering these things with you. we always hear the so-called absolute being distinguished from the so- called relative, as if there were two realities. doesn't that strike anybody as odd, or is it just me? conceptually, of course, we can imagine all sorts of things, but is it true? i suppose this is what i have been trying to get at in this conversation -- the way belief actually superimposes an "extra head" on the one we've already got. In other words, if we believe there is some kind of distinction or differentiation, then Voila! -- heaven & earth are split asunder. now, are they actually asunder, except in the imagination? can "what is" be divided? just so, it seems perception is referenced to some center, or sense of self. we develop an image of ourselves, as well as conditioned beliefs about the way things work, and then we spend our life trying to manipulate this image to arrive at an ideal of happiness, such as moving to Kuaui, or becoming a Bodhisattva and saving more images of ourself, or whatever we arbitrarily accept as the dues we must pay to be happy. we develop expectations, imagine we are "supplicants" pursuing some holy grail of ideal love, and of course we have so many variations, which usually start with an innocent misunderstanding about identity, about who we are (as if we are some independent doer), and then we are off and running with relatives and absolutes flying all over the place! what a pain in the ass it all turns out to be! >Ramana wrote devotional songs as if he were a devotee. He took, in my terminology, the relative viewpoint in doing that. ..... the expression of Truth in the form of Ramana is seamless, as It is in all. we add something extra -- some distinction where none actually exists. it is like trying to draw a line in the ocean to divide one nation's domain from another's. the so-called absolute is writing the devotional songs to itself, for there is only God. "The present difficulty is that man thinks that he is the doer. But it is a mistake. It is Self which does everything and man is only a tool. If he accepts that position he is free from troubles; otherwise he courts them." RM >About the 'instrument of seeing' being the Self also. The definition of either of these within the framework of seeking liberation (regardless of how much that seeking may hinder one)has no meaning without the other. One would not speak of the Self if one did not feel it lost. It would not occur to one. To say they are the same would be an error in that relative framework. .....Ramana spoke of the Self, and yet he didn't seem to feel it lost, anymore than i feel the need to go looking for my head. it would not occur to me. to say that i am separate from my head would be quite humorous, unless of course i was Marie Antoinette. >Now, they are obviously the same if seen in the 'absolute' sense. For instance, one sees a snake that turns out to be a rope. The tendency to see a snake is still there the next time one comes on that rope, only probably lessened by experience. Therefore one can say the snake, although imaginary by comparison to the rope in the relative sense, still exists in the same way the rope exists in the absolute sense. The potential for the rope being snake is always there just as is the potential for any illusion. Therefore the illusion exists in the absolute sense. ..... Curious about spiritual things, a greeb once asked Ixnay what was really meant by the words: "We are all immersed in an illusion here on this earth, and in truth nothing has ever really happened". Ixnay threw a finger ring into a nearby river and said: "Bring the ring back to me and then you will know." So the greeb dived into the river. The instant he entered the water, he lost all consciousness of who he really was. He surfaced, got out and wandered around the area. Eventually, he found a small town and got himself a few acres and took up farming. He was intelligent, and over the next year or so, he thought of many ways to farm better and eventually he became the best farmer in the county and was very prosperous. He married the Mahub's daughter and they had many children. He traveled far and learned even more and became a great expert on agricultural methods throughout the country. When the country went to war, he joined the army and became an officer. His children grew, and though they had the usual ups and downs and one died while still a child - the others did well and prospered. One day, he was walking beside the river thinking about his interesting life. Although he was successful and had everything life could offer, he still was not completely happy or satisfied. Something was tugging at him, just below consciousness, and it continued to bother him, but he had no idea what it was. It had been raining a great deal in the last week and suddenly the bank gave way under his feet. He became submerged in the swollen rushing river. His eyes spied something gold in the bed of the river and he was drawn to it. He grabbed the shiny ring and surfaced. For what seemed ages, he battled the surging waters and eventually heaved himself from the water with tremendous difficulty onto the bank. The instant his feet touched the land, he remembered with crystal clarity who he really was. He remembered asking Ixnay the question about all that seems to happen being only an illusion, and then diving into the water. He also remembered all his years as a farmer, soldier, father, husband and successful greeb. But even as he thought of those experiences, they began to fade, just as a dream fades when one awakens. He turned and there was Ixnay smiling at him. Handing the ring over to Ixnay, the greeb smiled back and said, "That was an excellent answer." LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 You bring a warm smile to my face, Harsha. Blessed be and namaste, Dan , "harshaimtm" wrote: > , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: > > > Why would an enlightened being position himself/herself as an > > > extraordianry being who is going to save others? > > > > Hi Harsha -- > > > > Answer: > > > > To have an opportunity to sell off all the stock he or > > she has in the company, while recording expenses > > as profits, collecting a bonus, taking out > > a loan at zero percent, and leaving others > > feeling very reassured as he/she leaves > > for a vacation in the Bahamas. > > > > Really just guessing, > > Dan > > OK Sri Danji. That's the best answer. I just want to say to everyone, > you are all very beautiful and extremely worthy to receive the best > Grace available anywhere. I take everything back that I might have > said about Boddhisattvas that was not nice or something. > > Zenbob, regular Bob, Mazie (you are something else!), Shawn, > BigTexasBob, Big Wim with the Wig, Jill (the best!), Greg, Al, Al, > Al, Al, my pal, Gloria, Jerry, Jerrysan (hope you are well) DavidH, > DavidB, Val, Linda, Amanda, Bruce, Master Pham, Zenbob, EricA (my > guru poet), EricB (my guru in bodnds - so sorry - you are best the > superemest and most worthy and I love you) and all of you beautiful > worthy people with the wonderful hearts. Sorry if I forgot everyone, > I am on the web and can't see the names. > > I feel so fortunate to know you. > > Lots and lots of love to everyone this morning and every morning > > Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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