Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Okay, Zenbob, I'll see your thought and raise you one! Bwahahah...... on 7/12/02 9:00 AM, zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com at zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 7/6/02 6:20:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, shawn (AT) withouraloha (DOT) com writes: The doing still gets done, but there is no DOER. The mighty identification and all that goes with it......is transparent......work becomes play.."No one has ever got hurt" is SEEN as Truth....remarkable and as untrue as it sounds! Shawn At the core, I think we are in actual agreement, but your comments above fall short of ultimate reality by oversimplification. When all individual thinkers are unified into the ultimate union, then that becomes the Supreme Doer. ==================== You lost me right there in the beginning! What are you talking about! All "individual thinkers" are going to some ultimate union??? Wow, what a friggin' concept!! Is this something you think is going to happen or are you suggesting forming some kind of "workers union"??? I am so lost here.... ====================== There is a doer, and we are all part of that. Whether we know it or not. ===================== This is just your idea. ======================= When we are in the dualistic state, ======================= What is your experience? =================== our own actions are those that we are ultimately responsible for, in the basic temporal reality. You hit your toe, and I do not complain or say ouch, you do. And vice-versa. ===================== "you" are a phantom and never do anything...... I am not suggesting a "union state". It is not a "union"...there never IS seperation! This is something you "see".....not something you can conceptualize... =================== The Super State of Ultimate Unity in no way precludes this reality of personal action, personal pain. ============== I don't know what you're talking about..."Super State of Unity"....what is that? You *never* become *one* with *anything*....can't be done.......give it up...the "you" is the problem, and whether *you* think you're improving or doing harm, it is a lie.You are a concept and when you can *see* this fact, what happens? ================== Suffering may be attachment to false ideas, but it is also part of the separate reality. Just because it is separate does not mean that it is not real. It is as real as the ultimate unity. Wihtout it, the ultimate unity would not exist. Love, Zenbob ================== Sorry, no. those are just concepts. Unity is a concept. No one will ever experience unity...but they may come close! Namaste, Shawn Sponsor /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Hi Shawn and Zenbob. Shawn wrote: > Sorry, no. those are just concepts. Unity is a concept. > No one will ever experience unity...but they may come close! I believe it was Shawn who said that. Shawn, just a small request, could you make it more clear in you responses "who says what", the ===== are confusing... I find it important to follow your conversations... but could you make it a little easier on the reader. I ask, because years ago someone else asked me... And I appreciated that. Anyway... We experience unity at the very same "moment" we experience twoness, let me just be bold and call it that. The twoness and oneness synchronize... there is no collision there...none whatsoever... It is "momentous". Two rolls into one, and vice versa, enfoldment unfoldment, it is even scientifically sound... In the oneness/twoness time is/isn't That is not a concept, that is the most fabulous experience... In the oneness/twoness space is/isn't I was scanning a little book on ZERO yesterday at Chapter's (something like Barnes and Noble).. Will have to buy that book... there was a drawing in there that made sense... string theory and quantum dynamics and relativity coming together... A three dimensional depiction of a bifurcation point, like a pair of pants hanging off a cloth line... the wind blowing through it... the crotch... Thanks Nitin Kumar Zero is like explosion/implosion, the / Ultimate samadhi-orgasm, what's the word... climax... all together... Ask Robert/Mazie... Ask Me/Michelle Ask Mark/Mira It is physical AND beyond, not one without the other... Anything not that... is... dysfunction, sorry to say..., trauma, hurt, sublimation. These words sound hard, but it is not meant that way... I understand the hurt, the trauma, have gone through that enough. But we experience the one/twoness. That is what experience means... Full experience is oneness and otherness... I and You Not the collision of it... but the celebration... Anything not dealing with that reality is conceptual... >From and within that one/twoness we live... life is... love is... It is physical/spiritual reality... Those are just words... trying to reach and express the reality of reality... let's not stay too long in the verbalization state though... Jeez did I sound strong...? No concepts though, gosh no... Wim shawn [shawn (AT) withouraloha (DOT) com]Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:26 AMSubject: Re: Re: Zenbob and unityOkay, Zenbob, I'll see your thought and raise you one! Bwahahah......on 7/12/02 9:00 AM, zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com at zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 7/6/02 6:20:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, shawn (AT) withouraloha (DOT) com writes: The doing still gets done, but there is no DOER. The mighty identification and all that goes with it......is transparent......work becomes play.."No one has ever got hurt" is SEEN as Truth....remarkable and as untrue as it sounds! Shawn At the core, I think we are in actual agreement, but your comments above fall short of ultimate reality by oversimplification. When all individual thinkers are unified into the ultimate union, then that becomes the Supreme Doer. ====================You lost me right there in the beginning! What are you talking about! All "individual thinkers" are going to some ultimate union??? Wow, what a friggin' concept!! Is this something you think is going to happen or are you suggesting forming some kind of "workers union"??? I am so lost here....======================There is a doer, and we are all part of that. Whether we know it or not. =====================This is just your idea.=======================When we are in the dualistic state,=======================What is your experience?===================our own actions are those that we are ultimately responsible for, in the basic temporal reality. You hit your toe, and I do not complain or say ouch, you do. And vice-versa.====================="you" are a phantom and never do anything......I am not suggesting a "union state". It is not a "union"...there never IS seperation!This is something you "see".....not something you can conceptualize...=================== The Super State of Ultimate Unity in no way precludes this reality of personal action, personal pain.==============I don't know what you're talking about..."Super State of Unity"....what is that? You *never* become *one* with *anything*....can't be done.......give it up...the "you" is the problem, and whether *you* think you're improving or doing harm, it is a lie.You are a concept and when you can *see* this fact, what happens?==================Suffering may be attachment to false ideas, but it is also part of the separate reality. Just because it is separate does not mean that it is not real. It is as real as the ultimate unity. Wihtout it, the ultimate unity would not exist. Love, Zenbob==================Sorry, no. those are just concepts. Unity is a concept. No one will ever experience unity...but they may come close! ;)Namaste, Shawn Sponsor /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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