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<< The trap also ensnares good folks into believing falsely that the >

universe and "themselves" are in fact one and the same thing. This >

is solipsism, and this is not a valid belief system, as it can be >

disproven both logically and empirically >>

For some of us, this is not a belief system but actual, irrefutable

experience. Holly

Well, actually Holly, that is not objective reality, but belief that

you are suggesting. You believe that your "experiences" represent

the universe. That's cool, except that the universe will outlast you

(in the sense of your own ability to experience as Holly) and that the

universe can do things to you that you do not like or agree with. In

fact, I could not write this posting to you if in fact, I did not

have independent existence as a conscious entity from you! Since I

do, I refute your assertion, and that alone is the proof needed to

invalidate your assertion of such a belief being a real and total

experience of the entire universe (being in your head).

Cheers.

It is too easy to refute solipsism, please study the concepts further

and give it up. Brilliant folks have struggled with this and

inevitably consigned this idea to the round file. Don't go

there...it always has an unhappy ending.

I make these comments with the utmost sincerity and caring for your welfare and happiness...

I am not intending to be petty or mean spirited. I have lost some

good friends because they pursued this fruitless path of belief.

They ended up being just devastated by events and the inability to

rectify their belief with objective reality. Remember, a crazy

person keeps knocking against a wall, convinced that if they believe

it to be a door, it will open. A sane person either installs a door,

or simply walks around the wall. (I know, I know, the wall and the

door are all in my mind...which to you, obviously means they are all

in your mind...)

I think what I am asking is for you to acknowledge that if you close

your eyes and go to sleep, someone could sneak up and place a rose

upon your chest, and your thoughts had nothing to do with this event.

Furthermore, can you really believe that you invented all of the

culture and technology that exist around you? Did you invent

Einstein? If so, why can't you do advanced physics? If you contain

every doctor and scientist that exists in the world, why don't you

have their abilities? If you admire Celine Dion, why don't you sing

like her?

Eventually solipsism just falls apart. We do not control the actions

and feelings of others, let alone that of the whole universe. As I

said before, sure, the experience of the world is within us, but we

are not the world. Even from a Non-dualistic plane of reference, one

person (and that is dualistic already) cannot be the whole of the

universe. It takes a village. :-)

Blessings

Love,

Zenbob