Reply to b & Nifty Ideas...For Alan...

July 14, 2002

If you see fish, it is only because

a "fish-lens" is being used.

It is all ocean, the whole time.

It's never been something else, where

would there be room for something else?

Whatever lens is used, will show pictures

accordingly.

Using my "person-lens" to say hi to you,

Dan

, zen2wrk@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/12/02 5:48:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

alarus@o...

> writes:

>

> > this whole universe is just a bubble on the sea of all

> >

>

> Absolutely.

>

> Of course, my point was that some believe that entire sea exists

exclusively

> within them, and I tend to think that we be fishes all in the same

big blue

> sea of allness...we partake of it, inhabit it, experience, grok and

are

> it...but it is not the dream of just one fish...

>

> Golly, maybe "fish" was not the most flattering example I might

have chosen...

>

> If bothered by that, please feel free to

substitute "turtle,Dolphin," or

> "whale."

>

> Blessings,

> Love,

>

> Zenbob

July 14, 2002

lets give this lense a cleanse

if i see fish

a broken sealing

this must be my ceiling

if i see birds

a perfect floor

won't have to use the vacuum cleaner anymore

alan

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dan330033

Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:21 PM

Re: Reply to b & Nifty Ideas...For Alan...

If you see fish, it is only because a "fish-lens" is being used.It is

all ocean, the whole time.It's never been something else, where would

there be room for something else?Whatever lens is used, will show

pictures accordingly.Using my "person-lens" to say hi to you,Dan---

In , zen2wrk@a... wrote:> In a message dated

7/12/02 5:48:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, alarus@o... > writes:> > >

> this whole universe is just a bubble on the sea of all> > > >

Absolutely.> > Of course, my point was that some believe that entire

sea exists exclusively > within them, and I tend to think that we be

fishes all in the same big blue > sea of allness...we partake of it,

inhabit it, experience, grok and are > it...but it is not the dream

of just one fish...> > Golly, maybe "fish" was not the most

flattering example I might have chosen...> > If bothered by that,

please feel free to substitute "turtle,Dolphin," or > "whale."> >

Blessings,> Love,> >

Zenbob/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

to the

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July 14, 2002

Quite right, it is not a dream or like a dream

Sankara says the universe is like a dream in Atma Bodha / Self Knowledge

I have noticed this book is considered to be beginners level.

And some think it is where human development ends : )

Making me think about these,

posted by Gloria Lee a month ago.

Alan

Question: So the world is not really illusory?Sri Ramana

Maharshi: At the level of the spiritual seeker you have got

to say that the world is an illusion. There is no other way.

When a man forgets that he is a Brahman, who is real,

permanent and omnipresent, and deludes himself into thinking

that he is a body in the universe which is filled with bodies

that are transitory, and labours under that delusion, you

have got to remind him that the world is unreal and a delusion. Why?

Because his vision which has forgotten its own Self is dwelling

in the external, material universe. It will not turn inwards

into introspection unless you impress on him that all this

external material universe is unreal. When once he realises

his own Self he will know that there is nothing other than his

own Self and he will come to look upon the whole universe as

Brahman. There is no universe without the Self. So long as a

man does not see the Self which is the origin of all, but looks only

at the external world as real and permanent, you have to tell

him that all this external universe is an illusion. You

cannot help it. Take a paper. We see only the script, and

nobody notices the paper on which the script is written. The

paper is there whether the script on it is there or not. To

those who look upon the script as real, you have to say that it is

unreal, an illusion, since it rests upon the paper. The wise

man looks upon both the paper and script as one. So also with

Brahman and the universe.

Question: Sri Bhagavan often says that Maya (illusion) and reality

arethe same. How can that be?Sri Ramana Maharshi: Sankara was

criticised for his views on Maya without being understood. He said

thatBrahman is real, The universe is unreal, and The universe is

Brahman. He did not stop at the second, because the third explains

the other two. It signifies that the universe is real if perceived as

the Self, and unreal if perceived apart from the Self. Hence Maya and

reality are one and the same.

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zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com

Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:49 PM

Re: Re: Reply to b & Nifty Ideas...For Alan...

In a message dated 7/12/02 5:48:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, alarus (AT) online (DOT) no writes:

this whole universe is just a bubble on the sea of all Absolutely. Of

course, my point was that some believe that entire sea exists

exclusively within them, and I tend to think that we be fishes all in

the same big blue sea of allness...we partake of it, inhabit it,

experience, grok and are it...but it is not the dream of just one

fish... Golly, maybe "fish" was not the most flattering example I

might have chosen... If bothered by that, please feel free to

substitute "turtle,Dolphin," or "whale." Blessings, Love, Zenbob

/join