Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 With your perspective-- on the I ism the such and the whatnot (what? there is no schism) --I have taken to of late You must be a nature lover A real adorable, a brute... be well all, cj , Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote: > Hi John, > > You wrote: > > I don't know where to go with this, so I will just share it... > > Realization is really very simple, so if understanding gets hard and > complex, and if you cannot just simply get it now, you are on the "wrong > track"... commonly called the "spiritual path"... It seems that you are well > on it, your foot firmly stuck on a sticky patch of asphalt. You appear to > have talked yourself nicely into a vicious circle... Is the groove also > getting deeper? > > Vicious Circles? > You know those traffic circles... easy to get on, hard to get off...? > Spiritual paths tend to intersect that way... > > Wrong Track? > The "wrong track" is the same as "a spiritual path" or a "fashionable new > age cruise travel package". > > You have a choice, any time. Either you stay with the "travel package", the > spiritual cruise that covers all ports and lets you see all the sites, or > you open the package "that you are" right now. > > But we need not to be so harsh or hasty. > It does not matter actually what you choose, as the "wrong track / cruise / > path" will lead you to yourself anyway, just a little later than sooner... > So even if you are on the "wrong track" you'll lose nothing much but a bit > of time... but you will go through the concomitant sentiments that are > offered along the way: the freebies that come with every new age cruise > package... and those freebies come also with their usual amount of > disappointment. > > So do you want the rich fascinations of the trip, getting into all the nooks > and crannies, and wait some, let's say...eh... ten years for the moment that > it dawns on you that ten years ago you could have been here already. Or are > you here already now... ? > > What does this "now" entail? Nothing much, just a simple functioning in life > through simple love. Good start... good ending... and the going is good... > > > I have been reading the collected writings of > > Ramana Maharshi, along with Poonja, the Ribhu > > Gita, Vasistha's Yoga, and the Bhagavad Gita. > > The common thread is Advaita Vedanta, of course. > > Ok you did that. Did you try to understand these scriptures with "what you > used to know", by using the usual workings of your mind as it got > "entrained" in our usual society, and did you do all that through the eyes > of who-you-think-you-are? > > If so, none of these scriptures will be clear, you will just not get it. And > even the comments on these scriptures and the stuff people like us write > about, it will just make all this even more confusing... > > > There seems to be a "self" (ego-sense) which is born and dies, > > which is reborn and dies, ad nauseum. > > Just forget about that, it does not work that way. > > > Beyond that is "Self" or "SELF", Brahman which is > > all and everything, from which all comes and to which > > all returns. > > So what? Just be John... Why staring yourself blind on something so lofty or > maybe conceptual, if you can run into your lovely self every moment of the > day? > > > The realization/insight is this. It is not "I" (self) who > > is born and who dies, and who is stuck in the cycle > > of unending births and deaths -- it is "SELF", Brahman, > > All Consciousness. > > How do you know all that, how can you know all that when you don't even know > yourself. > > > The bottom line is not only must I transcend my > > own desire to "live", to be immortal, but my desire > > to become "One with Brahman", to become > > "One with Infinite Consciousness" is just another > > way of trying to survive, to cling to life, to maintain > > my ego. > > Take it easy, make some mistakes... and take credit for them. If you don't > run into a table, how can you ever learn to walk around it... > > >>>This means that not only must I transcend my own desire to survive as a > "self", but also I must transcend my desire to survive as "SELF", as > Brahman, that is, Brahman must transcend its desire to survive, to be. (I am > not confusing this Brahman with Brahma, the Creator). All of those births > and deaths are of the making of the Consciousness that is the Absolute > Brahman. <<< > > My Gosh, John... this is thick soup and the meatballs in it don't even fit > the bowl...:-) > > >>>Even if "I" exit the cycle of births and deaths, samsara, the "SELF" must > also exit the cycle of births and deaths. IT MUST ALSO GIVE UP THE GAME, THE > LILA, THE DANCE or IT WON'T END even if I somehow manage to leave the "dance > floor".<<< > > Come on now John, Krishna danced, Ramakrishna did... OK, maybe Ramana did > not... but what do I know? > > >>> The trap is doubled it seems. I have my own trap, but I am also trapped > in Brahman's trap -- and if Consciousness chooses to give what appears to be > me rebirth, it will!!! <<< > > There must be something wrong here, when your idea of liberation is trapped > with traps... > > >>> In computer language, we appear to be stuck in an infinite looping > condition inside a computer and the only way out is to unplug the master > computer. <<< > > Rebooting will do, there is no need to unplug... > > Just take a deep breath, yawn and stretch, rub your eyes, you dug yourself > in too deep, look over the edge... now just find the easy way out. If it is > not simple, it is of no use... > > Wim > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 7/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hi cj, You wrote: > You must be a nature lover > > A real adorable, a brute... I hope you are using that word "brute" in a French sense, the back to nature kind :-) as in Jean-Jacques Rousseau's. http://archive.8m.net/rousseau.htm I am a little gentler though and I look at "beasts" a little different then JJ does. Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 7/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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