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aka - the mundane domestic chores - when does one get to the point where such

activities are cherished and an expression of love?

maybe it's ego - but i am alway bothered by the fact with a brain like mine or

some amount of talent i should be writing a novel or doing art or something i am

better at. I am the kinda person who misses spots on the dishes - I should be

working on things that I am trained for, and paying someone else to do the basic

domestic chores, because i can go make $ at things a bit up the food chain, but

Nooooooo - instead I have to do the mundane domestic chores (chop and carry?)

too and have no time to express myself any other way!

Is this a common problem? Is it being stuck in the wheel of karma? Does my

attitude lack compassion? I just can't see the forest for the trees here - how

to be happy doing domestic chores - well actually if it WAS actually chopping

wood and carrying water I could enjoy that, but it's really not in the year

2002...

Any suggestions?

all my best,

valerie

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In a message dated 7/18/02 2:48:16 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

amused writes:

 

<< yes - and for me that's when it becomes a brain pinch - ouch! Gotta get

this done so I can do tthat. Not just doing ONE thing, doiing 5 things

at the same time like a choreography to madness >>

 

This has been such an interesting issue to wrestle with -- especially as a

woman who grew up at a time when only females did domestic jobs, paid or

unpaid. I wholly agree with Greg's post and wouldn't bother adding to it

except that I've found a fun practice to not only do chores mindfully, but

also shamanically. Do one thing at a time, with full, not to say obsessive,

attention. Intend the action to have effect on another level, e.g., clean

out garage = severing stale attachments of all kinds. Somehow get out of the

cycle of doing what you want being a reward for chores. Do what you want

FIRST. It helps a great deal if your life is simplified enough so that

chores feel like self-love. Holly

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Hi valerie,

 

There are so many things to say about that. One of the most basic is, try try

try to make time to do and explore the things you love. This might involve

doing the chores faster, or earlier in the morning or at night. Even in a month

when you are doing some chores and spending some time doing what you love, you

feel different about the whole thing than in months when you do chores and don't

get time to do the things you love. Part of the negative feeling about the

chores is a subterranean fear that you will be cut off or forever prevented from

doing the things you love. If that fear were to turn into a confidence that you

would really get to do those cherished things, then the chores would be lighter!

 

Another thing is, *someone* has to do the chores! the tradh must get taken out,

the dishes must be done. Saying that *you* shouldn't be the one to was your

dishes is tantamount to saying that *someone else should* wash your dishes. Are

you really sure that someone else should be doing this for you, even if paid?

When faced like this, the thing takes on a new light.

 

Another thing is, there really *is* a time when every chore is embraced as

just-as-it-should-be, all equally a part of the dance, all an expression of

love.

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 11:14 AM 7/18/02 -0700, v wrote:

>aka - the mundane domestic chores - when does one get to the point where such

activities are cherished and an expression of love?

>maybe it's ego - but i am alway bothered by the fact with a brain like mine or

some amount of talent i should be writing a novel or doing art or something i am

better at. I am the kinda person who misses spots on the dishes - I should be

working on things that I am trained for, and paying someone else to do the basic

domestic chores, because i can go make $ at things a bit up the food chain, but

Nooooooo - instead I have to do the mundane domestic chores (chop and carry?)

too and have no time to express myself any other way!

>Is this a common problem? Is it being stuck in the wheel of karma? Does my

attitude lack compassion? I just can't see the forest for the trees here - how

to be happy doing domestic chores - well actually if it WAS actually chopping

wood and carrying water I could enjoy that, but it's really not in the year

2002...

>Any suggestions?

>all my best,

>valerie

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Greg Goode wrote:

Hi valerie,

There are so many things to say about that. One of the most

basic is, try try try to make time to do and explore the things you love.

This might involve doing the chores faster, or earlier in the morning or

at night. Even in a month when you are doing some chores and spending

some time doing what you love, you feel different about the whole thing

than in months when you do chores and don't get time to do the things you

love. Part of the negative feeling about the chores is a subterranean

fear that you will be cut off or forever prevented from doing the things

you love. If that fear were to turn into a confidence that you would

really get to do those cherished things, then the chores would be lighter!

yes cherished - or even just the yoga practice and meditation, that is

survival - THEN comes the great novel or poetry or paintings and what is

cherished - such a very very odd balance!

Another thing is, *someone* has to do the chores!

the tradh must get taken out, the dishes must be done. Saying that

*you* shouldn't be the one to was your dishes is tantamount to saying that

*someone else should* wash your dishes. Are you really sure that

someone else should be doing this for you, even if paid? When faced

like this, the thing takes on a new light.

well - from small communities when working in the woods there were people

who were better at one odd job or another, and in many cases there are

people who work as housekeepers because they love the low stress and they

need the extra money. sometimes when overwhelmed with major responsibilities

as single mom and etc. it's been an option - truthfully - in both directions!

But you're right - ideally now that I have a dishwasher I should devise

a plan to do my own chores when i can AND more...

Another thing is, there really *is* a time when

every chore is embraced as just-as-it-should-be, all equally a part of

the dance, all an expression of love.

yes - and for me that's when it becomes a brain pinch - ouch! Gotta get

this done so I can do tthat. Not just doing ONE thing, doiing 5 things

at the same time like a choreography to madness...all mundane domestic

chores... gotta fit more things in there OR learn how to love it all, right?

Is that what whirling dervishes do?

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love,

valerie

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Hbarrett47 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

In a message dated 7/18/02 2:48:16 PM Mountain

Daylight Time,

amused (AT) ptialaska (DOT) net writes:

<< yes - and for me that's when it becomes a brain pinch -

ouch! Gotta get

this done so I can do tthat. Not just doing ONE thing, doiing 5

things

at the same time like a choreography to madness >>

This has been such an interesting issue to wrestle with -- especially

as a

woman who grew up at a time when only females did domestic jobs,

paid or

unpaid. I wholly agree with Greg's post and wouldn't bother

adding to it

except that I've found a fun practice to not only do chores mindfully,

but

also shamanically. Do one thing at a time, with full, not

to say obsessive,

attention. Intend the action to have effect on another level,

e.g., clean

out garage = severing stale attachments of all kinds. Somehow

get out of the

cycle of doing what you want being a reward for chores. Do

what you want

FIRST. It helps a great deal if your life is simplified enough

so that

chores feel like self-love. Holly

Now that's a nice twist on the dilemma - that way it's not like you're

missing the REAL boat by taking so much time cleaning the kitchen or whatever

but feel that you can afford the mindfulness because your real and first

calling has been attended to.

I don't mean to sound like a snob or like I don't want to clean up

after myself or daughter or anybody else, but most of the time is taken

up from that and - NO - it's not real mindful yet because it takes away

from other things many people tell me I should be doing. Yes it's my time

and my choice, but I have a wealth of stories and illustrations that need

attnetion someday!

When chores feel like self love I'll know I have arrived!

thanx,

valerie

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Wim Borsboom wrot

WimPSThose

chores?I

am getting very good at doing the dishes lately, and whenever I visit clients

for longer stays, I do the dishes, not because I love myself, but because

I think it is just right to do them...Michelle

paraphrased for me, "Before enlightenment you no clean up, you no do dishes,

after enlightenment you do clean up, you do do dishes."

Dear Wim and all,

You know it's odd - I love to go to friend's houses who

are worse off depressed than me and just DIG IN to their dishes - spend

hours doing what they haven't done for days and days - clean all the counters

and spit shine their floors - but it's cos it's THEIR house not mine. Somehow

that makes the difference, eh?

And it seems to be a generational thing - my mom, as well

as other moms of people my age I know will cook the dinner and practically

before you're even done eating will be taking your plate to wash and wipe

all the counters and tables and sweep the floors before they relax themselves.

Is it because they came from the Depression Era and every wasted moment

cost food in the belly?

I don't want to claim any great genius when I could be

cleaning the kitchen instead - and i think Kheyala's simplicity of Rasa

ranch is wonderful - I don't have that kinda coziness. I have more substitutions

for primal screams and healing as it happens. It's just that even people

read what I write for our little paper here I sometimes work for and think

I should be writing and doing more than what I'm doing with this life,

but it's not absolutely neccessary. Learning to be humble and happy doing

the mundane domestic chores would be another approach, and doing creative

things first sounds best of all.

my best,

valerie

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Dear Valerie,

> When chores feel like self love I'll know I have arrived!

That made me laugh... I don't think that that should count as the test though...

Those ...ahum... "arrived masters" (I'm still laughing) had others to do the chores...

> I have a wealth of stories and illustrations that need attention someday!

Some days, just take the luxury and love yourself so much that you

will attend to those stories and illustrations...

I very much love your watercolours as you know. Do you do people too or animals?

And yes, tell us those stories, this satsangh pines for them...

And you know they don't have to be "hunky dory" and "lovey dovey", we

share this whole earthly/heavenly sojourn together, may we be your

audience... Tears of sadness and tears of happiness come from the

same spot.

Love you, Wim

PS

Those chores?

I am getting very good at doing the dishes lately, and whenever I

visit clients for longer stays, I do the dishes, not because I love

myself, but because I think it is just right to do them...

Michelle paraphrased for me, "Before enlightenment you no clean up,

you no do dishes, after enlightenment you do clean up, you do do

dishes."

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