My Response to <snip>Cycles of Rebirth - The Mysteries (Valerie)

[Guest guest]

Hi Valerie,

What a wonderful experience you had/have.

 

As I remember it, I also had a sense of being larger than my ordinary

body/mind self. Huge doesn't begin to describe; ALL is closer. There

was a sense of complete loss of my identity and being a part of it

all. In my case the details faded and there was just energy for a

while - in earth time it was probably only 30 seconds to maybe 2

minutes - but it could have been centuries in "forever time".

 

I don't know why, except that I believe that it was to prepare me for

the "trial" of cancer to come, and my 18 days in ICU. I was never

afraid after that, I just knew that I had/have to walk through what

was to come -- I'm still walking on!!!

 

I will share another strange experience. I woke up in ICU fairly

groggy from the anesthetic and then went back to sleep. When I woke

up the second time, some nurses came probably four, three of them

were dressed in white and the fourth was dressed in black with black

hair and a black nurse's cap. They were all checking me over and

checking the equipment. At one point all four bent over the rail and

looked at me. The one in black, nodded and said, "He's OK, I'm not

needed." Then she smiled, turned and left.

 

I didn't get it until I told the story recently to an old friend who

understands these things -- and she said, "Oh my God, you were

visited by an Angel of Death!"

 

It could be so.

 

Well, here I am. That was January of 2000, surgery on the first day

of Aquarius, my birth sign and now it is July of 2002. My doctors are

saying I am doing well and I can live as long as I want to the way

things are going with my health. Ain't that a kick in the head!?!

 

Thank you for your sharing. It is nice to know that at least one

other person has had a similar experience.

 

What I have learned is that every day is a gift and I am trying to

make the most of them.

 

When life comes, I live;

when death comes, I die.

What next?

Whatever!

 

John L.

 

, v <amused@p...> wrote:

>

> John in about 1980 or so I had an experience much like your

undulating

> NDE.

[Guest guest]

hey yep John -

I've never ever met anyone who's had

experiences like ours SOBER in clear daylight,

like mon - many peoples they CLAIM extrasensensory

experiences that time they was in Peru and on that holy mushroom or cactus

button - uh huh - sure mon - anybody can do that! lol! Not like there's

anything <-wrong-> with it either - but the REAL thang's a nice thing

to meet up with other people who have shaken the hand of being too HUGE

- or better yet - ALL - that explains it - thankyou very much. Hey but

YOU - you're a celebrity! You shook the hand (figuratively speaking) of

the *angel of death*! Wowee! I'm not sure I'd wanna do that until afterwards

when I was safe and it was all over, you savvy? I mean, DID YOU KNOW? Was

it scary at the time? You were on sedatives still, right? All black with

black hair and everything - like Morticia Adams.

I was dragged by my hair outside

a car going about 55mph in Nevada City CA and hit my head on a rock and

had my ear torn off, but don't remember anything spiritual about it, unfortunately.

It just sucked a big one from some felon for attempted murder leaving Folsom

Prison for his "good behavior". Now I don't hitchhike anymore; lolol!

(well, i guess not...i hear you thinkin). He was actually on his

way ! What a cretan brute!

I'm glad to hear that you are pretty

much as healthy as can be- I am a real believer in mind over matter and

prayer, ala Ernest Holmes and Unity and am trying to learn the Eastern

mystics because.

So take good care of yourself and

see yourself in the best of health every day.

all my best,

valerie

[Guest guest]

Hi Valerie,

Yep, yep. I never met anyone else either who have had experiences

similar to ours - sober as you said. Ours were totally not sought and

therefore unexpected. I think that is the secret. The best things

come when I am not looking. I get wonderful answers to questions when

I am shaving or in the shower. (I don't sing in the shower. :-D)

 

 

 

, v <amused@p...> wrote:

Hey

> but YOU - you're a celebrity! You shook the hand (figuratively

speaking)

> of the *angel of death*! Wowee! I'm not sure I'd wanna do that until

> afterwards when I was safe and it was all over, you savvy? I mean,

DID

> YOU KNOW? Was it scary at the time? You were on sedatives still,

right?

> All black with black hair and everything - like Morticia Adams.

 

Not really. I didn't even realize that that's who she was until I

told my friend about it two years later. And yes, I was coming out

from under the anesthetic from an 11 hour surgery. And no, it wasn't

scary, I thought she was part of the staff -- until no one knew who

she was. She looked real to me at the time. I have never seen her

before or since.

 

Funny sidebar. Every once in a while when I get depressed, I

think "Wouldn't it be a good thing to just let go and die, leave this

body and life behind?" The response is the funniest "giggles" from

nobody who is there. My "dramas" get giggles all the time. I don't

know where they come from -- but they are there.

 

That is a pretty rough story about your NDE - but clearly the "other

side" isn't ready for you yet.

 

I have a lot of the same background you describe, Ernest Holmes,

Charles Fillmore and the like. What I have slowly learned is that

simple is better. When I effort at mind control - it just doesn't

work very well. And all the metaphysical stuff didn't touch the

cancer progress at all. After the surgery I reviewed everywhere I had

been (spiritually speaking) and ended up throwing out a whole bunch

of "stuff" -- including organized religion.

 

My criteria. Did I feel peace? Could I feel my heart?

The answers "Yes" came from the writings of William Samuel,

Philosophical Taoism, some work in the Buddha Dharma, leading me away

from all the complexities of Buddhism and into the simplicities of

Advaita Vedantism - Krishnamurti, Ramana Maharshi, Poonja. It seems

to come down to BE HERE NOW and BE QUIET letting "it" reveal itSELF.

 

I don't seek the experiences, but I enjoy them when they come and

don't try to hold on to them. I learned a long time ago that "you

can't step into the same river twice"!

 

I am very happy you have shared your experiences with me/us. They

meant a great goodness for me.

 

Happy living,

John L.