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, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

> Love that can be directed is not love.

 

 

 

)))) Since there is only Love,

what is it that can be said to be less than Love,

except in the comparative mind,

which is itself

Love?

 

Who is directing, and

who is directed?

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

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Well let's say it is at least conditional love...

 

We can work with "conditional love" to recover the unconditional...

 

Wim

 

 

 

 

Jan Sultan [swork]

Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:23 PM

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Love

 

 

Love that can be directed is not love.

Unconditional love gushes out in all directions.

 

Love

Jan

 

 

 

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perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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On 8/4/02 at 5:05 PM hrtbeat7 wrote:

 

º, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

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º> Love that can be directed is not love.

 

A statement evoked by observations like a man exchanging partners for instance?

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º)))) Since there is only Love,

 

Who defines that? If it's that clear, prove it,

responding only by using words that have been defined first.

 

ºwhat is it that can be said to be less than Love,

 

Since there is only pun, that must be pun too!

 

ºexcept in the comparative mind,

 

Just kidding!

 

ºwhich is itself

ºLove?

 

Great joke!

 

º

ºWho is directing, and

ºwho is directed?

 

Energy moves by removing the moves.

 

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ºLoveAlways,

º

ºb

 

Just kidding in the moment of the always here_and_now,

 

Jan

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, "ecirada" <janb@a...> wrote:

>Who defines that? If it's that clear, prove it,

responding only by using words that have been defined first.

 

 

))) that which seeks proof has already imagined itself to be

separated from it ...

 

In the Temple of God,

which direction can you bow

that is not bowing

to God?

 

LoveAlways,

 

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On 8/5/02 at 1:08 AM hrtbeat7 wrote:

 

º, "ecirada" <janb@a...> wrote:

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º>Who defines that? If it's that clear, prove it,

ºresponding only by using words that have been defined first.

º

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º))) that which seeks proof has already imagined itself to be

ºseparated from it ...

 

Not familiar with an issue jokingly called "provoking fate"?

Free of charge, a surprise gift when unfamiliar with it.

 

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ºIn the Temple of God,

ºwhich direction can you bow

ºthat is not bowing

ºto God?

 

A moot issue when you don't bow :-)

Empty space has no directions,

those 'for use' are missing too!

 

Peace,

Jan

 

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ºLoveAlways,

º

ºb

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, "ecirada" <JanB@m...> wrote:

 

ºIn the Temple of God,

ºwhich direction can you bow

ºthat is not bowing

ºto God?

>A moot issue when you don't bow :-)

 

)))) you don't bow --

only bowing bows.

 

you are

what disappears in the bow.

 

 

bow wow,

 

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On 8/5/02 at 4:45 PM hrtbeat7 wrote:

 

º, "ecirada" <JanB@m...> wrote:

º

ººIn the Temple of God,

ººwhich direction can you bow

ººthat is not bowing

ººto God?

º

º>A moot issue when you don't bow :-)

º

º)))) you don't bow --

ºonly bowing bows.

º

ºyou are

ºwhat disappears in the bow.

 

As there is only love, part of it disappears?

º

º

ºbow wow,

º

ºb

 

Windy Willow's willows? :-)

 

Jan

-----------------------------

(Excerpt from "The One Alone," a treatise by 13th-century Sufi master

Muhyiddin Ibn 'Arabi.)

 

Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He

is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him,

whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor

can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind,

intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He

can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know

Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by

Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He

can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which

hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The

veil that hides Him is His own being.

 

He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude

you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed

as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and

qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, nor

ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into

you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him.

Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you

know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord.

Otherwise, you truly know Him not.

-----------------------------

 

nothing worth to deal

nothing gives the greatest joy

when nothing is real

 

:-)

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A beautifully written treatise, Jan.

 

Dimensional statements of nondimensionality.

 

Elegant trickery!

 

:-)

 

Dan

 

 

> Jan

> -----------------------------

> (Excerpt from "The One Alone," a treatise by 13th-century Sufi

master

> Muhyiddin Ibn 'Arabi.)

>

> Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He

> is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him,

> whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor

> can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind,

> intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He

> can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know

> Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by

> Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He

> can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which

> hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The

> veil that hides Him is His own being.

>

> He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude

> you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed

> as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and

> qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, nor

> ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into

> you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him.

> Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you

> know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord.

> Otherwise, you truly know Him not.

> -----------------------------

>

> nothing worth to deal

> nothing gives the greatest joy

> when nothing is real

>

> :-)

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, "ecirada" <JanB@m...> wrote:

 

º)))) you don't bow --

ºonly bowing bows.

º

ºyou are

ºwhat disappears in the bow.

>As there is only love, part of it disappears?

 

)))"First there is a mountain

then there is no mountain

then there is."

 

~Donovan

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