Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Love that can be directed is not love. Unconditional love gushes out in all directions. Love Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 , Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote: > Love that can be directed is not love. )))) Since there is only Love, what is it that can be said to be less than Love, except in the comparative mind, which is itself Love? Who is directing, and who is directed? LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Well let's say it is at least conditional love... We can work with "conditional love" to recover the unconditional... Wim Jan Sultan [swork] Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:23 PM SufiMystic Love Love that can be directed is not love. Unconditional love gushes out in all directions. Love Jan /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 7/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 7/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 On 8/4/02 at 5:05 PM hrtbeat7 wrote: º, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote: º º> Love that can be directed is not love. A statement evoked by observations like a man exchanging partners for instance? º º º º)))) Since there is only Love, Who defines that? If it's that clear, prove it, responding only by using words that have been defined first. ºwhat is it that can be said to be less than Love, Since there is only pun, that must be pun too! ºexcept in the comparative mind, Just kidding! ºwhich is itself ºLove? Great joke! º ºWho is directing, and ºwho is directed? Energy moves by removing the moves. º º ºLoveAlways, º ºb Just kidding in the moment of the always here_and_now, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 , "ecirada" <janb@a...> wrote: >Who defines that? If it's that clear, prove it, responding only by using words that have been defined first. ))) that which seeks proof has already imagined itself to be separated from it ... In the Temple of God, which direction can you bow that is not bowing to God? LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 On 8/5/02 at 1:08 AM hrtbeat7 wrote: º, "ecirada" <janb@a...> wrote: º º>Who defines that? If it's that clear, prove it, ºresponding only by using words that have been defined first. º º º))) that which seeks proof has already imagined itself to be ºseparated from it ... Not familiar with an issue jokingly called "provoking fate"? Free of charge, a surprise gift when unfamiliar with it. º ºIn the Temple of God, ºwhich direction can you bow ºthat is not bowing ºto God? A moot issue when you don't bow :-) Empty space has no directions, those 'for use' are missing too! Peace, Jan º ºLoveAlways, º ºb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 , "ecirada" <JanB@m...> wrote: ºIn the Temple of God, ºwhich direction can you bow ºthat is not bowing ºto God? >A moot issue when you don't bow :-) )))) you don't bow -- only bowing bows. you are what disappears in the bow. bow wow, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 On 8/5/02 at 4:45 PM hrtbeat7 wrote: º, "ecirada" <JanB@m...> wrote: º ººIn the Temple of God, ººwhich direction can you bow ººthat is not bowing ººto God? º º>A moot issue when you don't bow :-) º º)))) you don't bow -- ºonly bowing bows. º ºyou are ºwhat disappears in the bow. As there is only love, part of it disappears? º º ºbow wow, º ºb Windy Willow's willows? :-) Jan ----------------------------- (Excerpt from "The One Alone," a treatise by 13th-century Sufi master Muhyiddin Ibn 'Arabi.) Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him, whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The veil that hides Him is His own being. He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, nor ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. Otherwise, you truly know Him not. ----------------------------- nothing worth to deal nothing gives the greatest joy when nothing is real :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 A beautifully written treatise, Jan. Dimensional statements of nondimensionality. Elegant trickery! :-) Dan > Jan > ----------------------------- > (Excerpt from "The One Alone," a treatise by 13th-century Sufi master > Muhyiddin Ibn 'Arabi.) > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him, > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The > veil that hides Him is His own being. > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, nor > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. > Otherwise, you truly know Him not. > ----------------------------- > > nothing worth to deal > nothing gives the greatest joy > when nothing is real > > :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 , "ecirada" <JanB@m...> wrote: º)))) you don't bow -- ºonly bowing bows. º ºyou are ºwhat disappears in the bow. >As there is only love, part of it disappears? )))"First there is a mountain then there is no mountain then there is." ~Donovan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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