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[Guest guest]

I have wondered from time to time, How Ramana Maharshi

survived those first years, in almost constant meditation,

How he ate, etc.

 

Anyone know?

[Guest guest]

, Mace Mealer <mmealer@a...> wrote:

 

I have wondered from time to time, How Ramana Maharshi

survived those first years, in almost constant meditation,

How he ate, etc.

 

))) he didn't.

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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, "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote:

>He had a devoted first disciple who cared for him, brought food, and

left him in peace otherwise.

 

 

))) nevertheless,

he did not survive.

 

it was already too late.

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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Hi Mace,

He had a devoted first disciple who cared for him, brought food, and left him in peace

otherwise. There are stories avilable on the web that give more details, perhpas someone has the

links handy, I can look this up later, if not.

Gloria

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Mace Mealer

Harshasatsangh

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:32 PM

Question

I have wondered from time to time, How Ramana Maharshi

survived those first years, in almost constant meditation, How he

ate, etc. Anyone

know?/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

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hrtbeat7

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:00 PM

Re: Question

, "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote:>He had a

devoted first disciple who cared for him, brought food, and left him

in peace otherwise. ))) nevertheless,he did not survive.it was

already too late.LoveAlways,b

In that sense , of course he did not survive, Robert.

Here is an old message from Harsha, I don't have time now to research

the name of the devotee, but I remember hearing about him.

HARSHA (originally posted to ) The devotees at

RamanaAshram could not imagine life without the Sage of Arunachala.

Neither can we here. I can't remember when I heard of Ramana, but it

seems like I have always known Him! I remember being literally

thunderstruck upon hearing someone sing Arunachala Shiva,

Arunchala....Om Shakti, Om Shakti, Om Shakti Om, Om Shakti, Jnana

Shakti, Para Shakti Om! It was as if every atom in the body danced

with ecstasy without reason. As Pascal said, "The Heart has its

reasons, which reason cannot know." I am grateful for the opportunity

to speak of Ramana Maharshi and consider it a privilege to make the

forum () available for the purest teachings on the

Self. Ramana's teachings are the purest teachings. Everything pales

in comparison. To each their own, but I have never been the least

attracted to any other philosophy, psychology, self help system, and

all that. They seem so utterly superficial to me. Yet no doubt, they

can be helpful to many, as people often testify. Let others do as it

pleases them. What have I to do with anything other than Ramana's

teaching of abiding in the Heart, the Self. Ramana Maharshi in the

innocence of his youth read about the life of 63 Saivite saints and

became fascinated with their devotion and intoxicated with Divine

Love. The story is well known of how within a few months of that he

realized the nature of the Self and at the tender age 16 left home to

go to Arunachala. There he sat in Samadhi as his body was eaten away

by maggots. As Jan pointed out, Sri Ramana literally treated his body

as a corpse, and without people to feed him and take care of him the

first few years, the body certainly would have died. Ramana is

utterly unique. His life was public and everyone had free access.

There was no hocus pocus and mystery which many so called "masters"

are famous for. Sri Ramana was an embodiment of Ahimsa and compassion

and one sees that in his words, his conversations, his actions. In the

early years, when deadly plague afflicted the area and many people had

died or run away, everyone was afraid. There was no Ashram and Ramana

and his friends lived in caves. When one of Sri Ramana's devotees

came down with the plague, the other devotees advised that they

should all move to a different area away from this person. They

assured Ramana that the devotee who had come down with the disease

would be sent food periodically to the cave and thus taken care of.

Sri Ramana's answer was simple and beautiful and moving. The Sage

refused to leave. Ramana said that everyone was free to go but he

would stay with the afflicted devotee and some food should be sent

for both of them! Naturally after that no one left. If we read the

actual stories of Sri Ramana's life and conversations with Sri

Ramana, the immaculate purity, serenity, the overwhelming beauty

stand out. Sri Ramana life and actions exemplify his teachings. The

perfect ease and authority with which Ramana Maharshi spoke of the

Self was in total harmony with purity, beauty, and love that was

reflected in his actions and life. Everyone, regardless of their path

will benefit from the teachings of the Sage of Arunachala. That is my

view. Love to all Harsha

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, "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote:

>In that sense, of course he did not survive, Robert.

 

))) Dear Gloria,

a contemporary of Shri Ramana's, Beloved Mr. Natural, said:

 

 

"Activities are going on naturally, spontaneously, in the same way

that there is no author or doer of your dream world. Nevertheless,

you fully put to use your dream world. You will not be able to

comprehend this so long as you try to understand things as an

individual. But once you are the universal manifest consciousness and

abide in that Paramatman spirit - "I am" without form and

distinction - then you will realize how things are."

 

How wonderful to swim back and forth between shores, where the green

grasses equally dance in the sea-side breezes!

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

[Guest guest]

Hi Mace,

 

Not eating is no problem, I go through times that I do not eat. l don't even

think about it... Nectar sustains me... (This not eating is not the same as

fasting, fasting is done purposely to attain some result.)

 

On this subject, maybe see what I wrote on nectar quite some time ago:

..................

At some point during the *male* Kundalini process (I don't know how this

functions in women. I have inquired previously and got a few very hopeful,

concurring and parallel responses) semen does not produce sperm anymore and

the semen turns into a glandular secretion. The epididymi's functional

involvement differs from the process where semen/cum/sperm is used for

procreative purposes. The epididymi (this is in my case, any corroboration

or comments from other male Kundalites would be greatly appreciated)

separated from my testicles into two sweet organelle like blobs.

 

One way or another, (Dan Winter spotted the same process, he refers to it in

one of his webpages) this glandular secretion goes up into the spine through

a tiny orifice and gland, propelled by reverse pelvic rocking. The reverse

pumping, if I may say so, is directed more backwards-and-up than

forward-and-up. This additional glandular supply increases the

cerebro-spinal-fluid inside the cerebro-spinal-canal inside the spine, the

meninges and the five paired ventricles that are dispersed throughout the

brain, from 125 cc to a possible 250 cc. Much of this is actually minutely

documented, although very poorly translated, in original Sanskrit yogic

literature. The Hatha Yoga Pradipika is very clear on this. Just find a

translation that is complete, it does not matter if it is bad, one can

easily read between the lines. Ignore lines that sound like obvious

commentary interjected by ignorant commentators.)

 

When the amount of CSF (cerebro-spinal fluid) gets over a certain threshold

some of it drips from the third paired ventricle down on top of the soft

palate and/or on the back of the tongue. The sensation of the pressure

release and the dripping is extremely sweet. This is what is referred to as

'nectar', 'soma', 'ambrosia', 'amrita', elixir, 'love potion' etc. Not that

the taste of the liquid is sweet, it is not, because the liquid is actually

alkaline in its very nature. Its consistency is like Jell-O, or more

properly stated it is the consistency of jelly fish.

 

When the CSF pressure is high and the spinal column is in excellent shape as

to curvature and flexibility in the "three degrees of freedom" (this seems

almost a prerogative) the fluid emanates from the canal into all the nerve

pairs that extend from the spine around and forward to the front of the

human body, the various nerve plexes or chakric energy centres. I postulate,

I have seen this functionally by introspection (?:-!) but I don't know if

the nomenclature that I use is right, I postulate that the soma substance

('soma', I like that word because of its 'somatic' portent) gets transported

in minute amounts of stuff/vibration/energy along the neural dendrites

underneath the myelin sheathing. When the energy pulses reach the front of

the body the sensation initially felt as sweetness but it can increase in

intensity to the highest states of ecstasy. Orgasmic ecstasy as by nearly

everyone is one-sevenths of the (at least) 7 ecstasies that can be

experienced. Each ecstasy having a slightly different ring (vibration) of

sweetness and intensity.

 

Some points on this nectar:

· The taste of the ‘material of nectar’ is saline. When you collect and

taste it with the tongue it tastes and smells like a light kind of

sea-water. (Watered down sea water so to say.)

· It is very clear, no colour, brightly transparent.

· The consistency is that of jelly-fish.

· The stuff is in no way the same as phlegm that one gets from colds and

that comes from nasal passages.

· Nor is it the same as phlegm that one might get from dairy allergies or

the like.

· The place of exudation is at the back of the mouth just above the soft

palate, from the bottom centre of the skull.

· The physical feeling when exudation takes place is like a sweet release

from some subtle muscular structure.

· The spot where it drops, with that sweet feeling, is on the very lower

back of the tongue.

· Where / when the drop(s) touches, one feels a sweet erotic very light

touch.

· It tastes like sweetness, but the word 'taste' is not accurate the

sweetness is like quince jelly.

· When in a meditative visionary state one can actually see a beautiful

fiery glowing orange red conglomeration of droplets.

· I my case I can regulate the amount of release with spinal movements. Also

touching certain spots on the spine affects the amount of release.

· With the nectar release, the spinal movement is at the bottom of the

spine, a gyrating 3.5 turn, clock and counter clock wise. Most often however

simple backward tilting of the pelvis will do.

· The mental state one is in does not affect the release. I experimented

with that a lot.

I can be angry (have to work hard to get angry though),

I can be sad (have to work hard at that too),

I can be neutral,

Make myself despondent,

It makes no difference, the nectar drop is always there.

(I wrote this a while ago, now anger, sadness, neutrality and despondency

cannot even arise anymore)

· The only thing that can negatively affect it, is when the spine is not

aligned properly.

(That too does not have an influence anymore either.)

· Tiredness does not affect the release.

(It is very hard to get tired... there is a natural balance of energy

output.)

· I purposely created headaches, even though neck induced, the nectar drop

is still there.

· I can regulate the amount of the nectar release.

· It seems now (actually I know now that it is so) an unconditioned response

to "nothing", (however strange that may sound.)

· I used to think that I should not be sexually active to increase the

amount, or to affect the exudation. Even though initially that was the case,

now I can have it both (lucky, lucky me)

 

Wim

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Wow Wim! Some kinda Kundalini genie!

 

)))Shawn

 

on 8/14/02 11:35 AM, Wim Borsboom at wim wrote:

> Hi Mace,

>

> Not eating is no problem, I go through times that I do not eat. l don't even

> think about it... Nectar sustains me... (This not eating is not the same as

> fasting, fasting is done purposely to attain some result.)

>

> On this subject, maybe see what I wrote on nectar quite some time ago:

> .................

> At some point during the *male* Kundalini process (I don't know how this

> functions in women. I have inquired previously and got a few very hopeful,

> concurring and parallel responses) semen does not produce sperm anymore and

> the semen turns into a glandular secretion. The epididymi's functional

> involvement differs from the process where semen/cum/sperm is used for

> procreative purposes. The epididymi (this is in my case, any corroboration

> or comments from other male Kundalites would be greatly appreciated)

> separated from my testicles into two sweet organelle like blobs.

>

> One way or another, (Dan Winter spotted the same process, he refers to it in

> one of his webpages) this glandular secretion goes up into the spine through

> a tiny orifice and gland, propelled by reverse pelvic rocking. The reverse

> pumping, if I may say so, is directed more backwards-and-up than

> forward-and-up. This additional glandular supply increases the

> cerebro-spinal-fluid inside the cerebro-spinal-canal inside the spine, the

> meninges and the five paired ventricles that are dispersed throughout the

> brain, from 125 cc to a possible 250 cc. Much of this is actually minutely

> documented, although very poorly translated, in original Sanskrit yogic

> literature. The Hatha Yoga Pradipika is very clear on this. Just find a

> translation that is complete, it does not matter if it is bad, one can

> easily read between the lines. Ignore lines that sound like obvious

> commentary interjected by ignorant commentators.)

>

> When the amount of CSF (cerebro-spinal fluid) gets over a certain threshold

> some of it drips from the third paired ventricle down on top of the soft

> palate and/or on the back of the tongue. The sensation of the pressure

> release and the dripping is extremely sweet. This is what is referred to as

> 'nectar', 'soma', 'ambrosia', 'amrita', elixir, 'love potion' etc. Not that

> the taste of the liquid is sweet, it is not, because the liquid is actually

> alkaline in its very nature. Its consistency is like Jell-O, or more

> properly stated it is the consistency of jelly fish.

>

> When the CSF pressure is high and the spinal column is in excellent shape as

> to curvature and flexibility in the "three degrees of freedom" (this seems

> almost a prerogative) the fluid emanates from the canal into all the nerve

> pairs that extend from the spine around and forward to the front of the

> human body, the various nerve plexes or chakric energy centres. I postulate,

> I have seen this functionally by introspection (?:-!) but I don't know if

> the nomenclature that I use is right, I postulate that the soma substance

> ('soma', I like that word because of its 'somatic' portent) gets transported

> in minute amounts of stuff/vibration/energy along the neural dendrites

> underneath the myelin sheathing. When the energy pulses reach the front of

> the body the sensation initially felt as sweetness but it can increase in

> intensity to the highest states of ecstasy. Orgasmic ecstasy as by nearly

> everyone is one-sevenths of the (at least) 7 ecstasies that can be

> experienced. Each ecstasy having a slightly different ring (vibration) of

> sweetness and intensity.

>

> Some points on this nectar:

> · The taste of the Œmaterial of nectar¹ is saline. When you collect and

> taste it with the tongue it tastes and smells like a light kind of

> sea-water. (Watered down sea water so to say.)

> · It is very clear, no colour, brightly transparent.

> · The consistency is that of jelly-fish.

> · The stuff is in no way the same as phlegm that one gets from colds and

> that comes from nasal passages.

> · Nor is it the same as phlegm that one might get from dairy allergies or

> the like.

> · The place of exudation is at the back of the mouth just above the soft

> palate, from the bottom centre of the skull.

> · The physical feeling when exudation takes place is like a sweet release

> from some subtle muscular structure.

> · The spot where it drops, with that sweet feeling, is on the very lower

> back of the tongue.

> · Where / when the drop(s) touches, one feels a sweet erotic very light

> touch.

> · It tastes like sweetness, but the word 'taste' is not accurate the

> sweetness is like quince jelly.

> · When in a meditative visionary state one can actually see a beautiful

> fiery glowing orange red conglomeration of droplets.

> · I my case I can regulate the amount of release with spinal movements. Also

> touching certain spots on the spine affects the amount of release.

> · With the nectar release, the spinal movement is at the bottom of the

> spine, a gyrating 3.5 turn, clock and counter clock wise. Most often however

> simple backward tilting of the pelvis will do.

> · The mental state one is in does not affect the release. I experimented

> with that a lot.

> I can be angry (have to work hard to get angry though),

> I can be sad (have to work hard at that too),

> I can be neutral,

> Make myself despondent,

> It makes no difference, the nectar drop is always there.

> (I wrote this a while ago, now anger, sadness, neutrality and despondency

> cannot even arise anymore)

> · The only thing that can negatively affect it, is when the spine is not

> aligned properly.

> (That too does not have an influence anymore either.)

> · Tiredness does not affect the release.

> (It is very hard to get tired... there is a natural balance of energy

> output.)

> · I purposely created headaches, even though neck induced, the nectar drop

> is still there.

> · I can regulate the amount of the nectar release.

> · It seems now (actually I know now that it is so) an unconditioned response

> to "nothing", (however strange that may sound.)

> · I used to think that I should not be sexually active to increase the

> amount, or to affect the exudation. Even though initially that was the case,

> now I can have it both (lucky, lucky me)

>

> Wim

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>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

> back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the

> ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

> Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being.

> A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising

> from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Was I myself ever surprised...Shawn!

In the beginning it was too hot too handle..., man, I had to jump into the

cold ocean, roll in wet grass at night... , went to snowy mountains just to

cool it. I write about this to help some along who have similar things

happen to them.

 

Wim

 

 

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on 8/14/02 2:10 PM, Wim Borsboom at wim wrote:

> Was I myself ever surprised...Shawn!

> In the beginning it was too hot too handle..., man, I had to jump into the

> cold ocean, roll in wet grass at night... , went to snowy mountains just to

> cool it. I write about this to help some along who have similar things

> happen to them.

>

> Wim

========== Ahhh, yes, I've heard it can be too intense if the practioner is

forcing it in some kind of yogic muscle way (through pranayam etc), and then

this causes a kind of lopesidedness , potentialy scaring the shit out of the

aspirant. Even RM had a tick and alluded it to that shakti awakening.

 

Is this what you did.?

 

Shawn

[Guest guest]

Wim wrote:

The epididymi (this is in my case, any corroboration

or comments from other male Kundalites would be greatly appreciated)

separated from my testicles into two sweet organelle like blobs....

Its consistency is like Jell-O, or more properly stated it is the

consistency of jelly fish.

 

))) Oh Dear Wim,

 

Mazie & i strolled the beach yesterday and came upon two organelle

like blobs, but could not determine their sweetness, since they

appeared to be some strange jelly fish by-product and were quickly

swept out with the tide, as are we all!

 

Seriously (!) my Brother --

you have provided an excellent and remarkable documentation of a

phenomena that is still puzzling to even those who experience it.

Many thanks for the intricate details, which are usually confusing

and often end up being cloaked in poetic obscurity or religious

provincialism.

The human mechanism is a most extraordinary treasurehouse of

evolutionary wonder and magic, and the tantric and kundalini texts

only hint at the potential inherent in form loined with form for the

glorious manifestation of the Great One.

 

Jai to That One!

 

"I wandered in the Jasmine Garden and

saw Shiva and Shakti making love.

I entered into them and disappeared."

 

Lalla

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

[Guest guest]

Hi Shawn,

 

Funny you should say that about that tick with RM, with me the Kundalini

episode started about 8 years ago with a very strange complex tick that

involved both my arms and hands. It is a long story but to make it short

(I'm trying) a week after these involuntary muscle movements started, I

found that they were actually part of a fighting-off manoeuvre, something

like in boxing... But they just kept repeating. It drove me crazy. Then

through a flash of memory (I so wanted to get to the bottom of this) I

remembered a fight with my brother (18 months older than me) when I must

have been close to seven years old. He was stronger than me and in that

fight he was about to suffocate me - the kind of "say uncle" thing, but

quite serious - in Dutch one has to ask for mercy (genade). I did not know

what that meant and I was not gonna ask, so I fought off but eventually I

got overpowered and lost consciousness.

When I remembered this about 8 years ago, while in the middle another very

intense bout of these, well yes, spasms, I got a hunch to follow through

with those fighting movements, *imagining* that I carried on with the fight

that I was prevented to get out off then. Now I was stronger than my

brother, at least in this imaginary fight, and I was intent on getting

freed... not fall unconscious again. In some sort of state of self-hypnosis

I carried on with the fight, which took about an hour... and it got me

rolling all over the place in my current house here in Canada. But in this

self hypnotic fighting state, I remembered all the details of the old house

in Holland that we used to live in, with all the details down to the fake

worn lead paint striping on artificial stained glass panels on some dividing

doors. Even the sounds of me bouncing against them was absolutely realistic.

The floor covering, an old fashioned kind of linoleum, the worn carpets...

The weather outside, the strange light in the house...

The release of that fighting myself into freedom set about an avalanche of

older memories, part of which I previously only remembered flashes, bad

dreams and nightmares. Some were extremely disturbing... Everything in my

younger life now started to make sense. I have written previously about some

of these episodes on this list.

It took me 960 days to work it all out. I had decided to stop work, I was

managing a computer training company and this company which I had taken out

of the red and which I had prepared to be sold to a very large

multinational, was very generous with me. They allowed me all the time that

was needed to recuperate... I should say that my wife and my son (then 17)

were of the greatest help.

 

Luckily, my wife reminded me that some of the stuff I went through looked

like Kundalini symptoms, we were quite conversant with Kundalini in

theory... But it took me a while to accept that it was so, by accident we

found a book "A Farther Shore" by a Canadian MD (oh yes) Yvonne Kason, a

lady who herself had gone through a Near Death Experience... (I have had

several throughout my life... my life wasn't so good especially the first 7

years) and she related Kundalini symptoms, depression as well as insanity

symptoms to each other. After this book it was clear what was happening to

me... I surrendered to the process, which was very intense to say the least

but never dangerous because we understood...

The way Gopi Krishna described his Kundalini with some alarmist remarks did

not count in my case.

 

When I was 19, I had an enormously beautiful extended ecstatic experience

which lasted a number of days and which I now see as an earlier Kundalini

episode... I ended up as a monk in a Trappist monastery where the state of

intense love I was in, was not understood at all, in fact I got pretty well

punished for it... When I got out though, I had an enormous amount of energy

and creativity which got me to work with youth (I managed a no-dope rhythm

and blues band), I ran youth retreats on a farm, I was a well-known sculptor

and poet travelling throughout Holland and I was still connected with the

catholic church. In 1971 when my wife and I immigrated to Canada, we started

to read up on yoga and Kundalini, Franklin Jones was important, Aurobindo,

Gopi Krishna, Izthak Bentov (Stalking the Wild Pendulum had a section on

Kundalini) and I started to get a deeper insight into what happened when I

was 19 , that it was pure Kundalini Energy. In 1975 we actually started a

small ashram of sorts...but I closed it down as I found that the guru /

ashram thing was not the way to help people along reintegrating themselves.

 

Wim.

 

 

 

 

 

shawn [shawn]

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:14 PM

 

Re: Re: Question

 

 

on 8/14/02 2:10 PM, Wim Borsboom at wim wrote:

> Was I myself ever surprised...Shawn!

> In the beginning it was too hot too handle..., man, I had to jump into the

> cold ocean, roll in wet grass at night... , went to snowy mountains just

to

> cool it. I write about this to help some along who have similar things

> happen to them.

>

> Wim

========== Ahhh, yes, I've heard it can be too intense if the practioner is

forcing it in some kind of yogic muscle way (through pranayam etc), and then

this causes a kind of lopesidedness , potentialy scaring the shit out of the

aspirant. Even RM had a tick and alluded it to that shakti awakening.

 

Is this what you did.?

 

Shawn

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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Hey Robert, :-)

 

You wrote:

> ))) Oh Dear Wim,

 

Don't take me wrong, my testicles are not jelly fish like blobs... I hope

you did not get that impression... I have not turned into a Star Trek

humanoid, hehehe :-))))

>>> "I wandered in the Jasmine Garden and

saw Shiva and Shakti making love.

I entered into them and disappeared." <<<

 

Yes Robert, yes... and I sigh happily...

 

Wim

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