Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 8/17/02 Yesterday I was faced with an intense decision. I went in the direction of what I wanted and before long I started wondering, "Is this okay? Is this the right thing to do?" I realized I was suffering. I sat down and closed my eyes. I saw that I was willing to give up what I thought I wanted because I wanted Peace most of all. I opened my heart and asked what to do and immediately I knew. In Peace, I called off all movement of the original choice and followed what I understood to be Right in the deepest part of me. ------------- Today, the result of that action yielded what I interpreted as a very negative result! What a shock. I started to cry. I thought to myself, "I asked deeply and quietly and I received guidance. I followed that guidance and look what happened? How can I trust this guidance??" Then I noticed I was REALLY suffering. Again I stopped and again I got really quiet. I saw that I have an opportunity to trust even when all of the evidence is screaming, "Doubt! Doubt!" I saw that it is possible to trust no matter what. I thought about what it would be like to find my body being brutally strung up and nailed to a cross and STILL have trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 Hi Kheyala, Just exploring here. Let's see... There is a choice there is a Peace there is a result there is a trust Then there is Guidance sought for each of these states. So the "self" was seeking guidance from the "SELF". Is this a separation of "self" and "SELF"? Is this looking for Higher Authority to make decisions and choices for me? What I have learned (for me) is that when I try to make a decision in the name of Higher Authority I have lost my true identity as "Brahman". The result is always samsaric (at least for me). What I have learned is that when I seek guidance to unite what appears to be separate, then I make my choice SELF perfects it. That is, I do my best to make the wisest choice I can and bless the choice, then whatever comes is the Lila of Brahman. The Atman and Brahman are not separate, not-dual, they are one. So there can be no mistakes, no errors and no suffering unless I am attached to the outcome. When the outcome appears what I did not expect, when it appears negative, then all the more I must realize that Peace does not come from outcomes. Peace comes from being peaceful. There is no question of trust then. I can trust Peace to be peaceful. I can trust the outcome to be whatever it is and without judging it let it be what it is. If I am attached to an outcome then there was no option, the choice was already made. When I let the outcome process as it is without my further interference then perfection is established; if I need to act I will be "called" to act as a natural part of the process of Being Becoming Being. Namaste, John L. , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > 8/17/02 > > Yesterday I was faced with an intense decision. I went in the direction of what I wanted and before long I started wondering, "Is this okay? Is this the right thing to do?" I realized I was suffering. > > I sat down and closed my eyes. I saw that I was willing to give up what I thought I wanted because I wanted Peace most of all. I opened my heart and asked what to do and immediately I knew. In Peace, I called off all movement of the original choice and followed what I understood to be Right in the deepest part of me. > > ------------- > > Today, the result of that action yielded what I interpreted as a very negative result! What a shock. I started to cry. I thought to myself, "I asked deeply and quietly and I received guidance. I followed that guidance and look what happened? How can I trust this guidance??" Then I noticed I was REALLY suffering. > > Again I stopped and again I got really quiet. I saw that I have an opportunity to trust even when all of the evidence is screaming, "Doubt! Doubt!" I saw that it is possible to trust no matter what. > > I thought about what it would be like to find my body being brutally strung up and nailed to a cross and STILL have trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 Dear John and Kheyala. John, that is very good what you wrote to Kheyala..., for one reason or another Kheyala keeps being on my mind... And I kept coming up with words similar to what you wrote. Thank you... Especially: >>> What I have learned (for me) is that when I try to make a decision in the name of Higher Authority I have lost my true identity as "Brahman". The result is always samsaric (at least for me). What I have learned is that when I seek guidance to unite what appears to be separate, then I make my choice SELF perfects it. That is, I do my best to make the wisest choice I can and bless the choice, then whatever comes is the Lila of Brahman. The Atman and Brahman are not separate, not-dual, they are one. So there can be no mistakes, no errors and no suffering unless I am attached to the outcome. <<< Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 8/2/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 Hi Kheyala, After re-reading your post I had more heart thoughts. (See below the quoted section.) , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > 8/17/02 > Yesterday I was faced with an intense decision. I went in the direction of what I wanted and before long I started wondering, "Is this okay? Is this the right thing to do?" I realized I was suffering. > > I sat down and closed my eyes. I saw that I was willing to give up what I thought I wanted because I wanted Peace most of all. I opened my heart and asked what to do and immediately I knew. In Peace, I called off all movement of the original choice and followed what I understood to be Right in the deepest part of me. "I went in the direction of what I wanted... and "I called off all movement of the original choice ... I don't know the situation as you did not reveal it, or did you reveal the options and the results. But probably not necessary. Notice the first sentence. Your heart was in the first choice! Then the choice was questioned. There was a different choice made. Your heart was not in the second choice! The action had already begun and you did not bless it and direct its action to the wisest most loving outcome. Instead you called it off -- two actions now energized. So it appears the two intents went to war with each other. The seeming Right was an action of the mind, not of the heart. At least that is what appears in the description of the situation. The Inner Self says, "You are living in the world of relativity. You make the wisest most loving choice you can, and then bring it to me and I will perfect it!" Now, Kheyala, bring your tears to Self and let Self bless the outcome where you cannot. Even now the Dharma, the Tao, the Truth, the Absolute, the SELF is working out Divine Perfection no matter what you appear to see. And by the way, let go of the attachment to 'trust'. It is only a word. Trusting the Infinite is meaningless, and trusting yourself is impossible. And trusting such guidance is giving yourself away to what is not! You can seek guidance to Brahman, while seeking guidance to a decision is seeking Not-Self. Love, John L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 Dear John and Wim, Trust, to me, means the experiential recognition of Perfection regardless of what choice is made and regardless of whatever results from that choice. Love, Kheyala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: Trust, to me, means the experiential recognition of Perfection regardless of what choice is made and regardless of whatever results from that choice. "For the mind in harmony with the Tao, all selfishness disappears. With not even a trace of self-doubt, you can trust the universe completely. All at once you are free, with nothing left to hold on to. All is empty, brilliant, perfect in its own being. In the world of things as they are, there is no self, no non-self. If you want to describe its essence, the best you can say is "Not-two." In this "Not-two" nothing is separate, and nothing in the world is excluded. The enlightened of all times and places have entered into this truth. In it there is no gain or loss; one instant is ten thousand years. There is no here, no there; infinity is right before your eyes." ~ From "The Mind of Absolute Trust" LoveAlways, Mazie & b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Dear Kheyala, You wrote: >>>Trust, to me, means the experiential recognition of Perfection regardless of what choice is made and regardless of whatever results from that choice.<<< We can call it Perfection or perfection... If something could have been done differently, it would have been done differently. There are no flaws in the Laws of Nature Love, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 8/2/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Mazie, b and Friends, The Mind of Absolute Trust by..._____________? yours in the bonds, eric , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > > Trust, to me, means the experiential recognition of Perfection > regardless of what choice is made and regardless of whatever results > from that choice. > > > "For the mind in harmony with the Tao, all selfishness disappears. > > With not even a trace of self-doubt, you can trust the universe > completely. > > All at once you are free, with nothing left to hold on to. > > All is empty, brilliant, perfect in its own being. > > In the world of things as they are, there is no self, no non-self. > > If you want to describe its essence, the best you can say is > "Not-two." > > In this "Not-two" nothing is separate, and nothing in the world is > excluded. > > The enlightened of all times and places have entered into this truth. > > In it there is no gain or loss; one instant is ten thousand years. > > There is no here, no there; infinity is right before your eyes." > > > > ~ From "The Mind of Absolute Trust" > > > LoveAlways, > > Mazie & b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: > The Mind of Absolute Trust by..._Seng Ts'an http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmSengTsan.htm LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 b & Friends, Thanks. Hsin-Hsin-Ming, on the same site, has always been one of my favorites, and if I was given to memorizing either poetry or sutras, I would begin with that one. The fact that I finally memorized scriptures has more to do with sadhana than with poetic appreciation. The Guru Gita and Shiva Mahimna Stotra are many things, but at least in translation, one couldn't really call them successful poems, least as we measure these things in the West. yours in the bonds, eric , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: > > > The Mind of Absolute Trust by..._Seng Ts'an > > http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmSengTsan.htm > > > LoveAlways, > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: >Hsin-Hsin-Ming, on the same site, has always been one of my favorites, and if I was given to memorizing either poetry or sutras, I would begin with that one. )))) yes > The fact that I finally memorized scriptures has more to do with sadhana than with poetic appreciation. The Guru Gita and Shiva Mahimna Stotra are many things, but at least in translation, one couldn't really call them successful poems, least as we measure these things in the West. )))) we love chanting the Guru Gita, especially in the company of Bhagavan Nityananda, but anybody who shows up is certainly welcome, celibate or not, as long as they don't mind if we get carried away on occasion! LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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