Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 The chief feature of the Quoter is his manifest cowardice and inability to outline in his own words that which he believes. ~ Richard Rose, The Albigen Papers Ooops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 I have been silent here in this foolish misunderstanding, please do not put words into my non-existent mouth! Thinking of changing my name! Peace to you all love eric friends, eric suggests that the vision and meaning assigned to "sunflowers" exists in the mind of the beholders. Realization is quite other. yours in the bonds, eric , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: > > >The question is, how many non-quoters have you experienced who are > truly original? > > > )))) Last night we stood in a garden at midnight, > staring up into the face of the most splendid sunflowers > who eloquently expounded the Perfection of Dharma. > > Such Darshan is always available when the comparative mind is > outshone by the Radiance of this Brilliant Love! > > > LoveAlways, > > b ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now Click Here! ---~-> /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > Hello friend , You are quoting . viorica , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > The chief feature of the Quoter is his manifest cowardice and inability to outline in his own words that which he believes. ~ Richard Rose, The Albigen Papers > Ooops! Dearest Viorica, Hence - "Ooops!" LoveAlways, Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Mazie , > thank you for the translation . > You are a moderator of a Ramana Maharshi devote's list and perhaps you know that what actually happens is that there is no Ramana Maharshi atmosphere on this list and I am sorry , very sorry and I stay on 'no mail' because of it. > Should I ? vicki Dearest Viorica, my Dear friend, i moderate no Ramana list, except the one in my Heart. Everything is Sri Ramana. This sound of these keys tapping a happy tune to you, the sound of Nusrat Fatah Ali Khan's voice chanting "Ram", the sun sizzling into the misty morning here, the words "i Love you" from my Beloved Robert, Harshaji talking about the Heart cave -- ALL is Sri Ramana. And all of this is only Silence speaking, singing, moving-not moving...and Thou Art That! That we Love is the Sweetest hearing of Sri Ramana ever. i Love Sri Ramana with all i am capable of Loving with. Please, DearHeart, never fear that he is not being heard and spoken and silently communed with here. His Heart Radiates through each post here, however it might appear for this list is blessed with his Presence forever. Stay and say whatever moves you and know that we all Love you beyond measure, beyond comprehension or care for any examination of that. Be well within YourSelf Dearest, Dear Viorica. i Love You my Darling friend. Always and without hesitation or holding back, for any reason. LoveAlways, Mazie > > > > > > > > Ooops! > > > > > > Dearest Viorica, > > > > Hence - "Ooops!" > > > > > > LoveAlways, > > > > Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: >It is a fact - the list dissapoints many who are looking for Ramana's teaching on it . ))) Disappointment = disillusionment. Those who search for Ramana in words will never find him. If studying Ramana's words could precipitate awakening, surely you yourself would be standing at the pinacle, Dear Sister. This recognition in itself can be both humbling and also quite liberating. Shams entered Rumi's library and tossed all the books and manuscripts Rumi had collected and treasured oveer the years into the garbage -- "You have spent your life reading about it, now go and live it!" LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > Dear Brother , > > > do you accept money for your speeches ? > > > Granddaughter > Ah, Viorica... LoveAlways, Mazie > > > > > > ))) Disappointment = disillusionment. > > > > Those who search for Ramana in words will never find him. > > If studying Ramana's words could precipitate awakening, surely you > > yourself would be standing at the pinacle, Dear Sister. > > This recognition in itself can be both humbling and also quite > > liberating. > > Shams entered Rumi's library and tossed all the books and > manuscripts > > Rumi had collected and treasured oveer the years into the garbage - > - > > > > "You have spent your life reading about it, > > now go and live it!" > > > > LoveAlways, > > > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > What about those members on internet lists who want to treasure > your words into the garbage and want to treasure Rumi's or > Ramana Maharshi's words into the heart ? Ah, Viorica... LoveAlways, Mazie > > > > > ))) Disappointment = disillusionment. > > > > Those who search for Ramana in words will never find him. > > If studying Ramana's words could precipitate awakening, surely you > > yourself would be standing at the pinacle, Dear Sister. > > This recognition in itself can be both humbling and also quite > > liberating. > > Shams entered Rumi's library and tossed all the books and > manuscripts > > Rumi had collected and treasured oveer the years into the garbage - > - > > > > "You have spent your life reading about it, > > now go and live it!" > > > > LoveAlways, > > > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > Ah, Viorica... LoveAlways, Mazie > Ah , Mazie ... Mazie .. ah Mazie If this list is to be Ramana Maharshi oriented then it lost the line ... Shipwrecked under the endless quantity of bla bla bla blaaa Ah Mazie Attention Captain we are losing the rifgt direction .. ....From "Absolute Consciousness - Sri Ramana Maharshi "One might be in the thick of the world and yet maintain perfect serenity of mind. Such a person is always in solitude. Another man might stay in the forest but still be unable to control his mind. Such a man cannot be said to be in solitude. Solitude is a function of the mind. A man attached to the things of life cannot get solitude wherever he may be. A detached man is always in solitude. Work performed with attachments is a shackle, whereas work performed with detachment does not affect the doer. He is, even while working, in solitude. Perfect peace is of the Self. Peace is your natural state. Peace can reign only where there is no disturbance and disturbanced is due to thoughts that arise in the mind. When the mind itself is absent, there is perfect peace. Unless a person has annihilated the mind, he cannot gain peace and be happy. LoveAlways, Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Dear Robert, Mazi, Vicki, that's now no fair comment, Robert! For sure we need not cling on words, but Ramana's teaching is one of the best there is and very powerful. I am also such a Ramana-quoter like Vicki - here I have been more silent recently but when back from holidays I will also join in again here with Ramana-quotes more often - . From my experience with going with Ramana's teaching I only can say it has a strong transforming power simply listening to it and let it work inside in silence. Of course we have to follow and find out for ourselves what he says and make it vivid in our lives. There are many ways to express - and each one is unique and has it's own beauty. Some like simply to deepen in the teaching of Ramana and don't want something else, others are overflowing with poetry, which comes out spontaneously ... There are many ways - and this list here is open to all, or not? Love in Sri Ramana Gabriele , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > >It is a fact - the list dissapoints many > who are looking for Ramana's teaching on > it . > > > ))) Disappointment = disillusionment. > > Those who search for Ramana in words will never find him. > If studying Ramana's words could precipitate awakening, surely you > yourself would be standing at the pinacle, Dear Sister. > This recognition in itself can be both humbling and also quite > liberating. > Shams entered Rumi's library and tossed all the books and manuscripts > Rumi had collected and treasured oveer the years into the garbage -- > > "You have spent your life reading about it, > now go and live it!" > > LoveAlways, > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: >do you accept money for your speeches ? ))) Please direct all contributions to the Department of Fish & Game, and specify that you want your donation to go towards the valient efforts to eradicate the alien invader Snakehead species, which is threatening the native fish families in many states. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > What about those members on internet lists who want to treasure > your words into the garbage and want to treasure Rumi's or > Ramana Maharshi's words into the heart ? ))) Inspect the keyboard in front of you. You may notice on the right side a little button marked "Delete". Isn't technology wonderful? LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 > , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: If this list is to be Ramana Maharshi oriented then it lost the line ... ))) This is not the MillionPaths list, Dear Sister. Perhaps you forget that you are not the moderator here. It might be appropriate to let the actual moderator, Harsha, render such determinations. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: >There are many ways - and this list here is open to all, or not? ))) That was my understanding, Gabe! Mazie & i are Devotees of Ramana, and you will often find us quoting his wisdom here, along with any other writing that resonates with us. The purpose of my quote about quotes was simply a kind of heads-up, and the fact that it has stirred so much comment is rather interesting, wouldn't you agree? Please refer to the post "Spiritual Authorities" for further elaboration. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > I sincerely hope that this list will re-find its direction > as described in its presentation ; > >From the Moderator's List Description: No religion or teacher or tradition has a monopoly on the Essential Truth of Reality which is Our Own Nature. In this context, a focuses on the aspirations and experiences of individuals on the spiritual path. Everyone interested in any of the Shiva and Shakti traditions, and the related yogic and tantric paths as well as those practicing primarily the cognitive methods of the pure nondual teachings of great Jnanis such as Ramana Maharshi are welcome to join. The discussions are typically expected to focus on Self-Realization, Kundalini Shakti and Its Manifestations, God- Realization, the Goddess, Enlightenment, and various types of Samadhis (Savikalpa and Nirvikalpa). Discussion of various teachers and teachings can also be enriching as long as there is mutual respect and a feeling of amity in the conversation. Humor and poetry and other artistic expressions of the spiritual life are encouraged and supported. May God Bless everyone with Peace, Joy, and Understanding. May we all nourish and heal each other in the spirit of Compassion, Wisdom and Love. OM Shanti, Shanti, Shanti. Peace to all living beings. Thank you, Harsha! LoveAlways, Mazie & b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: >I only want to understand why satsangh keeps dissapointing people in searching of Truth lately. ))) the answer, so to speak, can be found when one investigates the searcher. it seems that the old cliche -- not being able to see the forest through the trees -- might apply in this case. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Quoters & Friends, The chief feature of non-quoters is that they're either 1/ not well read or 2/truly original or 3/truly delusional. The question is, how many non-quoters have you experienced who are truly original? yours in the bonds, eric , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > > > The chief feature of the Quoter is his manifest cowardice and > inability to outline in his own words that which he believes. > > ~ Richard Rose, The Albigen Papers > > > > > Ooops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Dear Robert, Yes, it is an interesting phenomen that it causes so much trouble, indeed, I agree. Hope the dispute will silence down. From my viewpoint the whole is only a big misunderstanding. In Sri Ramana Gabriele , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > >There are many ways - and this list here is open to all, or not? > > > ))) That was my understanding, Gabe! > > Mazie & i are Devotees of Ramana, and you will often find us quoting > his wisdom here, along with any other writing that resonates with us. > The purpose of my quote about quotes was simply a kind of heads-up, > and the fact that it has stirred so much comment is rather > interesting, wouldn't you agree? > Please refer to the post "Spiritual Authorities" for further > elaboration. > > > LoveAlways, > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: >The question is, how many non-quoters have you experienced who are truly original? )))) Last night we stood in a garden at midnight, staring up into the face of the most splendid sunflowers who eloquently expounded the Perfection of Dharma. Such Darshan is always available when the comparative mind is outshone by the Radiance of this Brilliant Love! LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: >Yes, it is an interesting phenomen that it causes so much trouble, indeed, I agree. Hope the dispute will silence down. ))) Dear Gabriele, perhaps it can be seen that the things which trigger us are the very things we have been avoiding, and are really gifts from Beloved to show us where our practice (sadhana) needs inspection. Too often we want to just cling to bliss of Guru, but in that very clinging we overlook the fact that Guru is here to demolish our attachment, even to Guru. >From my viewpoint the whole is only a big misunderstanding. )))) LOL! Yes, this innocent misunderstanding that we are some kind of independent entity, separated from Truth, is what initiates the search, and our disappointment in not reaping the hoped-for fruits of the search is what may finally render us available to the Grace of Remembrance of our True Nature. Those who cling to the words of Gurus, without actually performing the investigation called for in those words, will always be disappointed with the results, no matter how many quotes they swallow and spout. >In Sri Ramana )))) LoveAlways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 friends, eric suggests that the vision and meaning assigned to "sunflowers" exists in the mind of the beholders. Realization is quite other. yours in the bonds, eric , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: > > >The question is, how many non-quoters have you experienced who are > truly original? > > > )))) Last night we stood in a garden at midnight, > staring up into the face of the most splendid sunflowers > who eloquently expounded the Perfection of Dharma. > > Such Darshan is always available when the comparative mind is > outshone by the Radiance of this Brilliant Love! > > > LoveAlways, > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: >eric suggests that the vision and meaning assigned to "sunflowers" exists in the mind of the beholders. Realization is quite other. ))) To imagine that Realization is other than what is appearing before you at this very moment is what will always keep realization from being Realization. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: >I still fail to understand what is going on. ))) an excellent place to start! LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: >But you took the monopoly on Harsha list ))) as i recommended, let's leave that determination to the moderator, shall we, and give it a rest? LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Mazie, b & Friends, I can promise you that Realisation will provide you with sustanance that will replace your need for verbal argumentation. yours in the bonds, eric , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: > > >eric suggests that the vision and meaning assigned to "sunflowers" > exists in the mind of the beholders. Realization is quite other. > > > ))) To imagine that Realization is other than what is appearing > before you at this very moment is what will always keep realization > from being Realization. > > LoveAlways, > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 on 8/20/02 7:57 AM, eblack101 at EBlackstead wrote: > Quoters & Friends, > > The chief feature of non-quoters is that they're either 1/ not well > read or 2/truly original or 3/truly delusional. > > The question is, how many non-quoters have you experienced who are > truly original? > > yours in the bonds, > eric =============== Please let's break free of this mind-set. Shall you pit quoters against non? How absurd the mind is! How utterly ridiculous! How vehement the ego when felt threatened? Who is disappointed? Who is wants this and not that? If Maharshi has taught you anyhting , wake up tp what you ARE.... .....and so now let us fight about unoriginality? Don't be absurd. LOOK at your ego struggle and squirm! I welcome the death throws! loosen the bonds, Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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