Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Not sure which email got me to right (oops) this today, it must have been on HS The words “right, wrong and sin” .... original meanings... mso-color-alt:windowtext"> The Sanskrit roots RAG, WAR and AS. The English word “wrong” derives originally from the Aryan root WAR (whirling, winding, turning or twisting). In old English “wrong” used to be the past tense or past participle of the verb “to wring”. Wrong and wringing come to us via the Sanskrit word VRIJ (pronounce vrizj), which had to do with wringing clothes from excess washing water or dye by twisting it with a torque-like movement. The result was that as fabric or garments got pulled out of shape, they became “wrong”. The rightness or straightness was still there, but hidden in the garment. The act of “righting” (Aryan root RAG) would pull the “wrong” straight again. So, wrong is a form of right, just messed up and rectifiable. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> That the words right and wrong have opposite meanings is a quite recent development: AD 1500. They were used as translations of the Latin words “rectus” and “sinister’ which mean right and left-handed. The scholastic and ecclesiastic use of these words by means of sermons on bible texts affected these words’ meaning in a moralistic way... Interesting that sinister would mean the left hand. windowtext"> Sinister is of course Latin and quite likely comes from “sine” meaning “without, short of or taken away”, sin or debt. The Aryan root AS from which “sin” derives means “leave behind, throw away or reject”. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> What does the word sinister have to do with bean counter, intelligence and accounting? “Intel*lig*ence” as well as “legend, legible, legislate and law (French lire - to read; loi - law) all derive from the Sanskrit root RAG (LAG) “row, rule®, string”. windowtext"> A string or a wire was used to collect beans, seeds or small stones, like a mala or rosary. This eventually led to the calculus and eventually the calculator. Anyway, an “accountant” while “counting beans” used the sinister or left hand to swipe beans away, to take them away. It was the negative hand, creating debt or “sin”. When Jesus talked about forgiving debt or sin, he meant “forgive that what we are short of” or “what has been taken away from us by sinister forces”. Of course in the past (as it is still in India) the left hand was used to do “nothing” with but… “wiping your behind”. The word “right” derives from the Sanskrit root RAG (LAG) “row, order, rule® or string”. Law and order (legal matter) stem from it, to straighten things out, to make right. “Make straight the way of the Lord” can actually be translated as, “Rightness is the Law of the Virtuous” (Dao De Jing). windowtext"> Arial"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Nice In Norwegian "Vrang" means either something turned inside out or about a difficult person. The way it is used is : 'he turned himself wrong', telling why it did not work out. Is it the verb 'vrijen' in dutch? Alan - Wim AdyashantiSatsang ; Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:29 AM Right and wrong were never opposites and wrong was a way to get things right. Not sure which email got me to right (oops) this today, it must have been on HS The words “right, wrong and sin” .... original meanings... The Sanskrit roots RAG, WAR and AS. The English word “wrong” derives originally from the Aryan root WAR (whirling, winding, turning or twisting). In old English “wrong” used to be the past tense or past participle of the verb “to wring”. Wrong and wringing come to us via the Sanskrit word VRIJ (pronounce vrizj), which had to do with wringing clothes from excess washing water or dye by twisting it with a torque-like movement. The result was that as fabric or garments got pulled out of shape, they became “wrong”. The rightness or straightness was still there, but hidden in the garment. The act of “righting” (Aryan root RAG) would pull the “wrong” straight again. So, wrong is a form of right, just messed up and rectifiable. That the words right and wrong have opposite meanings is a quite recent development: AD 1500. They were used as translations of the Latin words “rectus” and “sinister’ which mean right and left-handed. The scholastic and ecclesiastic use of these words by means of sermons on bible texts affected these words’ meaning in a moralistic way... Interesting that sinister would mean the left hand. Sinister is of course Latin and quite likely comes from “sine” meaning “without, short of or taken away”, sin or debt. The Aryan root AS from which “sin” derives means “leave behind, throw away or reject”. What does the word sinister have to do with bean counter, intelligence and accounting? “Intel*lig*ence” as well as “legend, legible, legislate and law (French lire - to read; loi - law) all derive from the Sanskrit root RAG (LAG) “row, rule®, string”. A string or a wire was used to collect beans, seeds or small stones, like a mala or rosary. This eventually led to the calculus and eventually the calculator. Anyway, an “accountant” while “counting beans” used the sinister or left hand to swipe beans away, to take them away. It was the negative hand, creating debt or “sin”. When Jesus talked about forgiving debt or sin, he meant “forgive that what we are short of” or “what has been taken away from us by sinister forces”. Of course in the past (as it is still in India) the left hand was used to do “nothing” with but… “wiping your behind”. The word “right” derives from the Sanskrit root RAG (LAG) “row, order, rule® or string”. Law and order (legal matter) stem from it, to straighten things out, to make right. “Make straight the way of the Lord” can actually be translated as, “Rightness is the Law of the Virtuous” (Dao De Jing). /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Hi Alan “Vrijen” (probably from priapus, god of love) actually means “cuddling” in Dutch, blissful mutual bodily entanglement :-)))). But we have “wrang” which is the distorted face you pull when you taste something bitter, or how you feel when someone has left you with uneasy feelings, same as in Norwegian. Neat stuff this, but it may not be everybody’s cup of tea… However, language and especially etymology tells us so much about how we still are… Wim 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Al Larus [alarus (AT) online (DOT) no] Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:06 AM Re: Right and wrong were never opposites and wrong was a way to get things right. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Nice 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">In Norwegian "Vrang" means either something turned inside out or about a difficult person. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">The way it is used is : 'he turned himself wrong', telling why it did not work out. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Is it the verb 'vrijen' in dutch? 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Alan mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 As far as i can see everyone's a heavy drinker here. Alan - Wim Borsboom Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:24 AM RE: Right and wrong were never opposites and wrong was a way to get things right. Hi Alan “Vrijen” (probably from priapus, god of love) actually means “cuddling” in Dutch, blissful mutual bodily entanglement :-)))). But we have “wrang” which is the distorted face you pull when you taste something bitter, or how you feel when someone has left you with uneasy feelings, same as in Norwegian. Neat stuff this, but it may not be everybody’s cup of tea… However, language and especially etymology tells us so much about how we still are… Wim Al Larus [alarus (AT) online (DOT) no]Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:06 AMTo: Subject: Re: Right and wrong were never opposites and wrong was a way to get things right. Nice In Norwegian "Vrang" means either something turned inside out or about a difficult person. The way it is used is : 'he turned himself wrong', telling why it did not work out. Is it the verb 'vrijen' in dutch? Alan /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 - Al Larus Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:35 AM Re: Right and wrong were never opposites and wrong was a way to get things right. As far as i can see everyone's a heavy drinker here. Alan Hafiz apparently agrees with you! Glo WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT THAT MOON? A wine bottle fell from a wagon andbroke open in a field. That night one hundred beetles and all their cousinsGathered and did some serious binge drinking. They even found some seed husks nearbyand began to play them like drums and whirl.This made God very happy. Then the "night candle" rose into the skyand one drunk creature, laying down his instrument,said to his friend ~ for no apparentReason, "What should we do about that moon?" Seems to HafizMost everyone has laid aside the music Tackling such profoundly uselessQuestions. ("The Gift" -- versions of Hafiz by Daniel Ladinsky) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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