Anti-War Petition

[Guest guest]

Harsha-ji and Friends,

 

It seems to me that we should take at least a short break in our

discussions to consider another but vital matter: our current

national debate on the purpose and value, both pro and con, of

invading Irag, particularly in light of the fact that, to date, all

of our valuable allies, both in the Middle East and in Europe are

outspoken in their opposition to our invasion plans.

 

Until recently, all the petitions against our involvement in this

action that could cause the deaths of so many young Americans and

civilian Iraqis were much too tainted with anti-Republican or

Conservative rhetoric to merit much consideration by someone who

chose not to confuse his position on this potential war with

partisan politics. The petition that I'm including below seems to

avoid that problem, at least for me.

 

I've been thinking about the issue of our potential involvement in a

war ever since 9/11. The Vietnamese War, which I came to vehemently

oppose, was begun under a smoke screen of media indifference and

political misrepresentation. I've had many opportunities to question,

when none of our politicians could subsequently rally themselves to

face the difficulties of removing us from that conflict, what might

have been the effect of our involvement if the American public had

considered what was involved BEFORE we were so inextricably entangled

in that "quagmire".

 

An opportunity like that, unfortunately, looms before us now, as we

are certainly facing a situation both as morally questionable and as

strategically and politically dark and chaotic as Vietnam proved to

be.

 

Here is the petition I'd like you to consider:

 

PETITION LETTER

 

TO: (your representatives)

FROM: (your name and email)

SUBJECT: No War on Iraq

__________

 

Dear Representative,

 

Without hard evidence that Iraq poses a clear and present danger to

the U.S., I urge you to act to prevent a war on Iraq.

 

(Your personal note) Optional.

 

The Bush White House is aggressively promoting a war on Iraq, against

the advice of its diplomats, and without strong support from the

American public or our allies. Such a war would likely undermine both

national and world security. Many of our young people, and likely

many more innocent Iraqis, would die.

 

 

As you know, even top Republican leaders are publicly questioning a

war:

 

 

Brent Scowcroft says a U.S. invasion of Iraq "could turn the whole

region into a cauldron and, thus, destroy the war on terrorism." He

also says "there is scant evidence to tie Saddam to terrorist

organizations, and even less to the Sept. 11 attacks."

 

 

Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) says the CIA has "absolutely no evidence"

that Iraq possesses or will soon possess nuclear weapons.

 

 

Henry Kissinger says, "The notion of justified pre- emption runs

counter to modern international law, which sanctions the use of force

in self-defense only against actual -- not potential -- threats."

Kissinger also says, "American military intervention in Iraq would be

supported only grudgingly, if at all, by most European allies."

 

 

House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX-26) says, "I don't believe

that America will justifiably make an unprovoked attack on another

nation. It would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation

or what we should be as a nation."

 

 

Please critically examine the rationale for a war against Iraq and

put the brakes on the Bush White House. You'll have my support if you

act to prevent this war.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

(your name)

(your address)

 

As you've probably already figured out, I don't think we have near

enough grounds to justify the invasion of another country with all

the attendent horrors, not only to our own men and women and those of

Iraq, but also to the millions of citizens of Israel and Jordan,

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the rest of the surrounding Arab world who

also have so much to lose in an uncontrollable conflict such as this

one promises to be.

 

Our political leadership is not presently willing, both in our eyes

as well as those of our allies, to make the necessary followup

commitments to Afghanistan, where we have already deeply entangled

ourselves. Some of our "experts" maintain that we could be involved

in expensive and labor intensive "nation building" in post-war Iraq,

despite the fact that we are refusing to engage in it in

Afghanistan, for more than 10 years. Iraq is more than 10 times the

size of Afghanistan, and just as politically explosive and unstable.

Further, they lack the committed local ground forces that were so

significant a contibution to our victory on the ground in Afghanistan.

 

It can be argued that the only reason that our leaders are

suggesting that we have the political will and necessary commitment

to such a similarly explosive and risky project in Iraq is that the

Iraqis control enough oil to pay us for our efforts, both to invade

them as well as to rebuild their country. We must ask ourselves if

the value of potentially gaining control of this oil would be enough

to compensate us for the loss of possible 10's of thousands of

American lives and 10's of billions of American dollars that we might

more successfully spend here at home?

 

Do we really believe that Iraq 1/ is in possession of nuclear weapons

and 2/ that they are willing to put those weapons in the hands of

Anti-American Islamist terrorists who would almost certainly use them

in such a way as to virtually guarantee the annhilation of Iraq's

leaders as well as the majority of their people? With regards to

question # 2, please bear in mind that the subsequent effects all

over the Middle East would cause incalculable damage to these

unstable countries: famines, radiation sicknesses, water pollution

and other effects, financial and political, that we can only guess at.

 

Well, Friends, that pretty much covers my position.

 

I hope you will seriously consider this petition and dial up

http://www.moveon.org/nowar/ for further information and how to use

your influence with your friends and neighbors. The organizers stress

that they are going to present their petition all over the Senate and

the House on Aug. 28th, which is almost upon us. If you feel that

you can sign this petition in good faith, please, send it to your

Congressman as well as your Senators and do your part in posting it

on other sites and other locations where it can do some good.

 

Time is short. This vital matter is being considered right now, all

over America. The national debate has begun. Let's not look back on

this war in 2 years and have to ask ourselves what we might have done

to help our nation resolve it's difficulties with Iraq by other more

peaceful means.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

[Guest guest]

, "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote:

 

>we are certainly facing a situation both as morally questionable and

as strategically and politically dark and chaotic as Vietnam proved

to be.

 

)))) some quotes, forwarded to me, may help to shed some light on

the "politically dark":

 

QUOTE:

 

"For years, Enron (along with Unocal, BP Amoco, Exxon, Mobil,

Pennzoil, Atlantic Richfield, Chevron, Texaco, and other oil

companies) has been involved in a multi-billion dollar frenzy to

extract the reserves of the three former Soviet republics,

Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan.

 

According to Project Underground (11/7/99), former Soviet, KGB and

Politburo members are profiting from oil riches, along with "a

formidable array of former top Western Cold Warriors, drawn

principally from the cabinet of George [H.W.] Bush." The dealmakers

include James Baker, Dick Cheney, Brent Scowcroft, and John Sununu.

Also cashing in on the deals are former Clinton Treasury Secretary

Lloyd Bentsen (close friend of Ken Lay and longtime recipient of

Enron funding) and Zbigniew Brezezinski.

 

Brezezinski, a leading member of the Council on Foreign Relations and

arguably the most influential policy planner in the world,

spearheaded the American effort to destabilize the Soviet Union in

Afghanistan in the 1970s. He is a consultant to BP Amoco. His recent

book, "The Grand Chessboard" is a virtual blue print for a war and

balkanization of Central Asia." …

 

Former Unocal lobbyist Hamid Karzai now heads a bombed and gutted

Afghanistan. Bush's US envoy is Zalmay Khalizad, another former

Unocal representative, who helped draw up the plans for the original

CentGas pipeline.

 

The US has established four new permanent military bases, throughout

the region, including a new one in Afghanistan. Recently, Uzbekistan,

hosted dozens of members of the US House of Representatives and the

Senate. The region will remain a zone of perpetual violence and

conflict, and plunder. If Enron had not made the mistake of

collapsing, Kenneth Lay and his team would be in the thick of it.

 

(Source: Enron: Ultimate agent of the American empire by Larry Chin

Online Journal, 7 February 2002)

 

QUOTE:

 

Former Unocal lobbyist Hamid Karzai now heads a bombed and gutted

Afghanistan. Bush's US envoy is Zalmay Khalizad, another former

Unocal representative, who helped draw up the plans for the original

CentGas pipeline.

 

The US has established four new permanent military bases, throughout

the region, including a new one in Afghanistan. Recently, Uzbekistan,

hosted dozens of members of the US House of Representatives and the

Senate. The region will remain a zone of perpetual violence and

conflict, and plunder. If Enron had not made the mistake of

collapsing, Kenneth Lay and his team would be in the thick of it.

 

Enron, Halliburton, Bush . . . bin Laden?

 

1. Osama bin Laden's family business, the Saudi Binladin Group, is a

major construction company. Saudi Binladin Group was an investor in

the Carlyle Group. Carlyle's directors include George H.W. Bush, and

James Baker. George W. Bush's firm Arbusto Energy was funded by an

investment from Texas investment banker James Bath, who was also the

investment counselor for the bin Laden family. Bath had connections

to the CIA, and was involved with the Iran-Contra, savings and loan,

and BCCI scandals.

 

2. One of Saudi Binladen's joint venture partners is H.C. Price

Company.

 

3. H.C. Price is a major builder of pipelines, and is involved in

large projects, including two projects for Enron: the Florida Gas

Pipeline and the Northern Border Pipeline running from the

US/Canadian border from Montana to Illinois.

 

4. In 1996, Dresser Industries and Shaw Industries merged their

pipecoating businesses to form Bredaro-Shaw Group. H.C. Price became

part of Bredaro-Shaw.

 

5. Halliburton acquired Dresser in 1998. George H.W. Bush's father,

Prescott, was the managing director of Brown Brothers Harriman, which

previously owned Dresser. Dresser Industries gave George H.W. Bush

his first job in 1948.

 

6. Dick Cheney orchestrated the Dresser and Bredaro-Shaw acquisitions.

 

Both Halliburton, and its subsidiary Brown & Root, have deep ties to

the CIA and the military. The company has been involved in US

military conflicts in Vietnam, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Chechnya,

Pakistan, Colombia and Rwanda. Brown & Root builds oil rigs,

pipelines, wells, and nuclear reactors. It does not appear to be a

simple case of coincidence that Saudi Binladin, a long time business

partner with the Bush family, also has a partnership with a Dick

Cheney-affiliated Halliburton that works with Enron.

 

(www.RumorMillNews.com)

 

UNQUOTE

 

QUOTE

 

In light of congressional "investigations" headed exclusively by

committee chairmen who have received Enron monies, weeks of FBI foot-

dragging, continued White House secrecy, no independent counsel, and

media complicity in White House damage control efforts, the Enron

trail has already begun to grow cold.

 

The American corporate media has done its best to look the other way.

This is no surprise, since Enron dumped handsome sums into the

pockets of media moguls, and conservative journalists such as

Lawrence Kudlow, Peggy Noonan, William Kristol and others.

 

Cronies and cohorts are meeting. Patsies and fall guys have been

designated. Lies are being fabricated. Fifth Amendment mantras will

be repeated. As was the case with Watergate, BCCI, Iran-Contra, and

the savings and loan scandals, it is not too cynical to expect the

Enron hearings to expose only enough malfeasance to silence the

public, while leaving the massive system intact. The masterminds and

the largest beneficiaries are about to slip into the shadows.

 

The American empire is built on a thousand Enrons. It will exhaust

every means to avoid implicating itself, even as it drowns in the

cesspool of its own creation, dragging thousands of innocent people

down with it.

 

Copyright Larry Chin. 2002. Reprinted for fair use only. Larry Chin

is a

freelance journalist and an Online Journal Contributing Editor.

 

The URL of this article is:

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI202A.html

 

UNQUOTE

 

QUOTE:

 

George Herbert Walker Bush, his dad and the former president, was an

oil man. Now he's on the board of the Carlyle Group, which is heavily

invested in oil and armaments.

 

Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense during Desert Storm. He stepped

down to become CEO of Halliburton Oil. Cashed in 34 million dollars

in Halliburton stock options before taking office as vice president.

 

Donald Evans, Bush's Commerce Secretary, was with Colorado Oil.

 

Zalmay Khalilzad is the Bush-appointed special envoy to Afghanistan.

Khalilzad previously was an aide to the American oil company Unocal.

He drew up Unocal's risk analysis on its proposed trans-Afghan gas

pipeline.

 

Khalilzad reports to Condoleeza Rice, Bush's national security

adviser. When she was a board director of Chevron Corporation, she

served as its principal expert on Kazakhstan, where Chevron holds the

largest concession of any of the international oil companies.

 

Khalilzad will liaise with the new Afghani leader Hamed Karzai. A

former consultant to Unocal.

 

QUOTE:

 

"George is true-blue for God, but he also has a soft spot for Mammon;

and an even softer spot for Dick Cheney, who spent much of the last

decade scheming with his fellow oil barons to get a pipeline from the

virgin fields of the Caspian Sea -- where $4 trillion in profits are

waiting for them -- through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian

Ocean. Cheney's business interests in oil and arms, temporarily

divested while he helps direct American policy in energy and defense,

rival those of the Bushes and bin Ladens. Or as the Chicago Tribune

noted last year: 'War is big business, and Dick Cheney is right in

the middle of it.'" --Chris Floyd, 10/1/01

 

UNQUOTE:

 

QUOTE:

 

"Most obviously, ex-President and ex-CIA Director George Bush has

been working his assets for the Washington-based Carlyle Group, a $12

billion private equity firm, since he left office. He specializes in

Saudi Arabia and certainly has in interest in the Kingdom's enduring

profitability. "The public-interest law firm Judicial Watch earlier

this year strongly criticized this situation, pointing out in a March

5 statement that it is a "conflict of interest [which] could cause

problems for America's foreign policy in the Middle East and Asia."

In a Sept. 29 statement, Judicial Watch added that, "This conflict of

interest has now turned into a scandal. The idea of the president's

father, an ex-president himself, doing business with a company under

investigation by the FBI in the terror attacks of September 11 is

horrible." They demanded President Bush make his father pull out of

the Carlyle Group.

 

Unocal opened offices in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan and

Turkmenistan and got every faction of the Afghan Northern Alliance to

sign on. Even former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger got on

board to help sell the project in the region. [see: New York Times,

12/5/98]

 

"Backing the Caspian plan is none other than Vice President Dick

Cheney, who, as CEO of Halliburton was successful in winning

contracts from Caspian Sea states to be part of any future

development. In 1994, Cheney helped to broker a deal between the oil

company Chevron and the state of Kazakhstan when he sat on the Oil

Advisory Board of that former soviet state.

 

-Laura Flanders, 10/26/01

 

UNQUOTE:

 

QUOTE:

 

Halliburton And KMNF [Azerbaijan] Ink 12 Year Caspian Contract

"Halliburton International Inc. and KASPMORNEFTELOT (KMNF), the

marine division of the State Oil Company of Azerbaijan Republic

(SOCAR), have entered into a 12-year contract for a marine base and

associated services to support Halliburton Subsea offshore

construction activity in the Caspian region.

--Aylward, Marine Publishers and Haliburton Press Release, May 15,

2001.

 

UNQUOTE

 

QUOTE:

 

"Washington, 4 Oct (dpa) - Six Nobel Peace Prize laureates have

spoken out against a California-based energy company for doing

business in military-ruled Myanmar (Burma) and urged a university to

drop its shares in the company, a U.S. human rights group said

Wednesday. . Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, was

among the signatories to a letter urging the University of Virginia

in Charlottesville to drop its assets in Unocal, which has helped

build a gas pipeline from Myanmar to neighbouring Thailand. The

Yadana natural gas project has stirred controversy because of reports

of human rights abuses by Burmese troops guarding the pipeline, which

runs through rebel territory, and because revnues from it help

support a regime considered a pariah in the West.

 

"'While Unocal turns its back on the conditions surrounding its

pipeline, its partners, the illegal military junta, are torturing,

killing, raping, and enslaving thousands of people,' read the letter,

released by the Free Burma Coalition. . Other signatories were Nobel

laureates Betty Williams (Ireland, 1976), Oscar Arias (Costa Rica,

1986), Rigoberta Menchu Tum (Guatemala, 1992), Jose Ramos Horta (East

Timor, 1996) and Jody Williams (United States, 1997). --Office Of

Tibet (more), Oct. 4, 2001

 

UNQUOTE:

 

QUOTE:

 

Published on Thursday, August 10, 2000 in the Chicago Tribune

Cheney's Black Gold:

Oil Interests May Drive US Foreign Policy

by Marjorie Cohn

What do the Persian Gulf, the Caspian Sea and the Balkans have in

common? U.S. domination in these areas serves the interests of

corporate multimillionaires such as Dick Cheney. As George Bush's

secretary of defense, Cheney was chief prosecutor of Operation Desert

Storm in 1991. Humanitarian rhetoric notwithstanding, the bombing of

Iraq--which continues to this day--was primarily aimed at keeping the

Persian Gulf safe for U.S. oil interests. Shortly after Desert Storm,

the Associated Press reported Cheney's desire to broaden the United

States' military role in the region to hedge future threats to gulf

oil resources. Cheney is CEO of Dallas-based Halliburton Co., the

biggest oil-services company in the world. Because of the instability

in the Persian Gulf, Cheney and his fellow oilmen have zeroed in on

the world's other major source of oil--the Caspian Sea. Its rich oil

and gas resources are estimated at $4 trillion by U.S. News and World

Report. The Washington-based American Petroleum Institute, voice of

the major U.S. oil companies, called the Caspian region, "the area of

greatest resource potential outside of the Middle East."

…

 

Cheney's oily fingerprints are all over the Balkans as well. Last

year, Halliburton's Brown & Root Division was awarded a $180 million

a year contract to supply U.S. forces in the Balkans. Cheney also

sits on the board of directors of Lockheed Martin, the world's

largest defense contractor. Replacing munitions used in the Balkans

could result in $1 billion in new contracts.

 

War is big business and Dick Cheney is right in the middle of it.

 

…

 

Although he stepped down as CEO of Halliburton, he still owns shares

of stock in the conglomerate and his financial interests in the

Persian Gulf, the Caspian region and the Balkans will invariably

continue. Chosen by George W. Bush to bring foreign-policy expertise

to the GOP presidential ticket, we can expect a Republic

administration to increase U.S. intervention in regions when it suits

Dick Cheney's oil and other corporate concerns.

 

UNQUOTE:

 

PS: Halliburton also got the contract for Guatanomo Bay.

 

Is it any wonder that Bush blocked the release of the Reagan papers

last January? To quote William Rivers Pitt from his article The

Greatest Sedition is Silence:

 

QUOTE (the last!):

 

"This order shreds the Presidential Records Act, legislated by

Congress in 1978 in the wake of Watergate. Any persons who now wish

to view Presidential records must demonstrate a "specific need" to

see them, the gravity of that need to be decided by the

administration.

 

Why?

 

68,000 pages of communications between Ronald Reagan and his advisers

were due for release last January. Many people in Bush's current

administration were part of the Reagan cabal, and would have their

names and deeds all over these papers. The most notable name that

would be found within these papers is George Herbert Walker Bush. The

administration managed to par off this release for months, but in the

end ran out of excuses for doing so. This executive order is the last

gasp, created in the name of "national security."

 

The audacity of this action is staggering. Even the stupefyingly

naive must see through this farce for what it is: a betrayal of the

Freedom of Information Act meant solely to protect members of this

current administration for being called to task for their actions.

The truth of the Iran/Contra scandal is likely in these papers,

something that Bush Sr. would just as soon see burned.

 

What else is in these papers? Which members of the current

administration have a vested interest in seeing them buried forever?

Why? Finally, if this administration is so worthy of our trust, as we

have been lead to believe, how can we maintain our faith in the face

of this betrayal of history? Why can't they tell us the truth? If

they are indeed hiding nefarious and criminal actions taken two

decades ago, what on earth should give us faith that they can be

trusted today?

 

UNQUOTE.

 

Since then, of course, we have seen Iran-Contra-implicated Poindexter

put in charge of monitoring the internet and emails etc.

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

[Guest guest]

on 8/23/02 1:32 PM, hrtbeat7 at hrtbeat7 wrote:

> The US has established four new permanent military bases, throughout

> the region, including a new one in Afghanistan. Recently, Uzbekistan,

> hosted dozens of members of the US House of Representatives and the

> Senate. The region will remain a zone of perpetual violence and

> conflict, and plunder. If Enron had not made the mistake of

> collapsing, Kenneth Lay and his team would be in the thick of it.

==============

 

Gee Robert, this article screams of liberalism.......Last night on Faux

News, home of the Known Spin Zone ( a blatent arm of the White House), Sean

hannity of that Hannity and Combs show, ( the one where they pretend to have

a liberal on there) said "the war on liberalism" and it came out oh, so

matter of factly like it was already synonymous with "the war on terrorism."

 

CNN needs to bundle their show with Basic Cable so I am not forced to watch

this Nazi crap. Ooops, didn't mean to get that partisan.

 

Shawn

[Guest guest]

, shawn <shawn@w...> wrote:

>Gee Robert, this article screams of liberalism.......

 

 

We had cable when we moved in, but the company finally realized that

the previous tenants had long gone, and so disconnected it.

It took a while for us to notice that it was gone.

Now, it's as if it was never there.

However, we do make liberal use of the DSL connection, but it took us

a month to get it hooked up, and now it seems as if it has always

been here.

 

Isn't that just how it goes?

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

[Guest guest]

I took everything into consideration and passed on the letter to 8

people and counting and volunteered as spokesperson for them, which I

may or may not be good at, but considering the positions of the other

people involved, I consider bombing the whole country of Iraq just to

smite their leader such a thoughtless, ruthless, heartless, and idiotic

gesture that I felt I had to do something.

valerie

[Guest guest]

, v <amused@p...> wrote:

> I took everything into consideration and passed on the letter to 8

> people and counting and volunteered as spokesperson for them, which

I

> may or may not be good at, but considering the positions of the

other

> people involved, I consider bombing the whole country of Iraq just

to

> smite their leader such a thoughtless, ruthless, heartless, and

idiotic

> gesture that I felt I had to do something.

 

Can you trace back to that source

that prompted you to act?

 

The act is the effect,

what was it's cause?

 

I'm not sure,

but I think that it might

have something to do with

your question about

how do we do it?

 

David

(looking for the source that makes him tick)

 

 

> valerie

[Guest guest]

david bozzi wrote:

, v <amused@p...>

wrote:

> I took everything into consideration and passed on the letter

to 8

> people and counting and volunteered as spokesperson for them,

which

I

> may or may not be good at, but considering the positions of the

other

> people involved, I consider bombing the whole country of Iraq

just

to

> smite their leader such a thoughtless, ruthless, heartless, and

idiotic

> gesture that I felt I had to do something.

Can you trace back to that source

that prompted you to act?

The act is the effect,

what was it's cause?

I'm not sure,

but I think that it might

have something to do with

your question about

how do we do it?

David

(looking for the source that makes him tick)

My friend's fear of a war in Iraq and WW3 and the horror of killing little

children, etc. infested me to want to DO something.

Well, in fact everytime we get near war I seem to have an *automatic*

button that wants to visualize the area with light or DO something against

war. Don't want war - how bout you?

> valerie

/join

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home

is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

Terms of Service.

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[Guest guest]

CNN needs to bundle their show with Basic Cable so I am not forced to watch

this Nazi crap. Ooops, didn't mean to get that partisan.

Shawn:

I'd be rolling on floor laughing with you, but for the haunting chill going up my spine.

Peace,

Zenbob

[Guest guest]

I took everything into consideration and passed on the letter to 8

people and counting and volunteered as spokesperson for them, which I

may or may not be good at, but considering the positions of the other

people involved, I consider bombing the whole country of Iraq just to

smite their leader such a thoughtless, ruthless, heartless, and idiotic

gesture that I felt I had to do something.

Amen, Sister!

Love,

Zenbob

[Guest guest]

, zen2wrk@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/23/02 10:30:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> amused@p... writes:

>

>

> > I took everything into consideration and passed on the letter to 8

> > people and counting and volunteered as spokesperson for them,

which I

> > may or may not be good at, but considering the positions of the

other

> > people involved, I consider bombing the whole country of Iraq

just to

> > smite their leader such a thoughtless, ruthless, heartless, and

idiotic

> > gesture that I felt I had to do something.

> >

>

> Amen, Sister!

>

> Love,

>

> Zenbob

 

eric says: of course.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric