Apology , wrong Jan.

[Guest guest]

Jan & Friends,

 

Jan, I owe you an apology, I've misplaced my Jan's and confused you

with another poster on Sarlo's GuruRatings. Sorry for the mistake.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

 

 

, "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote:

> Jan & Friends,

>

> Jan says:

> >>>For a serious candidate,

> Selfrealization/apperception/enlightenment is a 2...3 year affair.

> For the proverbial visitors of Yama it can be much shorter.

>

> Jan, I don't know where you got this notion, but I would take

serious

> issue with it, and so, I think, would most people who have

seriously

> approached sadhana, despite Nisargadatta's felicitous experience to

> the contrary.

>

> Still, this small disagreement isn't why I'm writing. In another

> posting both here and on other lists you've announced a new Advaita

> site, listing some great beings' names as well as appropriate

> subjects. I don't see, just yet, how either the subject or the

> approach is significantly different than which we already have on

> NDS, or even on Harsha, if you take a long range perspective.

>

> Is there anything you'd like to say as to what you expect will be

> different about the site you intend to start?

>

> yours in the bonds,

> eric

>

>

>

>

> , "ecirada" <janb@a...> wrote:

> > MD's are familiar with the joke "don't keep the patient waiting

or

> (s)he will heal spontaneously".

> > Those able to watch 'free' animals know that an animal when sick,

> will look for a shelter and rest

> > there until the disease is healed. Before the advent of modern

> medicine, fasting was acknowledged

> > as a way to detox both the body. Fasting still has adherents as

it

> can work miracles, medicine

> > (still?) cannot, and it has no unwanted side effects. When that

is

> considered "too hard", there are

> > infinite paths between fasting and "one calorie/day less".

> >

> > Conditioning could be defined as the horde of do's and don'ts,

> should and should-nots, that start

> > to accumulate from childhood on, issues like "dinner time is 6

PM"

> instead of "when hungry, eat".

> > All the opinions too, for instance that weeds are ugly and roses

> beautiful.

> > Mind being a processing machine, is overloaded as the

subconscious,

> continuously scanning the

> > sensory input and ready for response, does so via the 'rules' of

> acquired conditioning: a burden

> > that will only be felt, when gone (again).

> >

> > When the body is lethargic, obese or loaded with toxins the

> digestion system couldn't flush, the only

> > cure that helps fast is fasting. The few medicines that can

assist

> are absorbents like active carbon.

> > Having overcome the 'start up' problems, fasting becomes pleasant

> and once the body is

> > lean and clean (again), a painful hunger will be felt, unlike the

> usual appetite for a snack...

> >

> > For the mind the same goes: when no longer fed

with "entertainment

> as usual" but fulfilling duties

> > as is required, neither liking nor disliking, taking care without

> thoughts on stuff like attachment or

> > non-attachment, the do's and don'ts etc. start to dissolve as

they

> are but habits that once having

> > entered the mind, perpetuated themselves. Without fuel, the fire

> dies. Knowing this is a medicine.

> > The acquired conditioning gone, the mind machine is lean and

clean

> and its relative "leisure"

> > will manifest itself. That event goes under the names Self-

> realization, enlightenment, apperception,

> > immaculate conception etc.

> > When the above 'mental fast' is "too hard", there are infinite

> paths between the proverbial visit to

> > Yama and 5 minutes/day of relaxation at the incense burning

> ritual.

> >

> > Knowing this, still abuse the body, or binge on special 'low

> calorie foods', despite the possible side-effects?

> > Still binge on countless books and discussions on free will, the

> Self, God, big 'I's, small 'i's and related issues?

> > At least now you know what that activity will bring out: the show

> goes on with the same old song.

> > For a serious candidate, Self-

> realization/apperception/enlightenment is a 2...3 year affair.

> > For the proverbial visitors of Yama it can be much shorter.

> >

> > Although the analogy ends here, regarding the mind, the 'lean and

> clean' is but the start,

> > as biological conditioning related to 'suffering' (including

> physical pain) can dissolve

> > as well. And don't forget, unless mind's potential for

> conditioning dissolves, "the thread

> > continues". As to no surprise this dissolution goes under names

> like moksha, nirvana and

> > as the 'nirvana' event, contrary to the 'apperception' event, is

> spectacular, once it happened,

> > can't be missed in scriptures and literature, irrespective the

> discipline governing expression

> > like in the recorded words of the Buddha or Jesus Christ.

> >

> > Peace,

> > Jan

[Guest guest]

Hi Eric,

 

I don't mind - it was a amusing, having changed both

the name of the computer and the profile to 'ecirada'

in order to decrease the possibility of misunderstanding...

 

The rule is that i write from observations, the 2..3 years are figures known

in both East and West. My case was in the class of "Yama visits" and despite

ignorance regarding "enlightenment" it was 4 months.

 

Peace,

Jan

 

On 8/24/02 at 11:10 PM eblack101 wrote:

 

ºJan & Friends,

º

ºJan, I owe you an apology, I've misplaced my Jan's and confused you

ºwith another poster on Sarlo's GuruRatings. Sorry for the mistake.

º

ºyours in the bonds,

ºeric

º

º

º

º

º, "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote:

º> Jan & Friends,

º>

º> Jan says:

º> >>>For a serious candidate,

º> Selfrealization/apperception/enlightenment is a 2...3 year affair.

º> For the proverbial visitors of Yama it can be much shorter.

º>

º> Jan, I don't know where you got this notion, but I would take

ºserious

º> issue with it, and so, I think, would most people who have

ºseriously

º> approached sadhana, despite Nisargadatta's felicitous experience to

º> the contrary.

º>

º> Still, this small disagreement isn't why I'm writing. In another

º> posting both here and on other lists you've announced a new Advaita

º> site, listing some great beings' names as well as appropriate

º> subjects. I don't see, just yet, how either the subject or the

º> approach is significantly different than which we already have on

º> NDS, or even on Harsha, if you take a long range perspective.

º>

º> Is there anything you'd like to say as to what you expect will be

º> different about the site you intend to start?

º>

º> yours in the bonds,

º> eric

º>

º>

º>

º>

º> , "ecirada" <janb@a...> wrote:

º> > MD's are familiar with the joke "don't keep the patient waiting

ºor

º> (s)he will heal spontaneously".

º> > Those able to watch 'free' animals know that an animal when sick,

º> will look for a shelter and rest

º> > there until the disease is healed. Before the advent of modern

º> medicine, fasting was acknowledged

º> > as a way to detox both the body. Fasting still has adherents as

ºit

º> can work miracles, medicine

º> > (still?) cannot, and it has no unwanted side effects. When that

ºis

º> considered "too hard", there are

º> > infinite paths between fasting and "one calorie/day less".

º> >

º> > Conditioning could be defined as the horde of do's and don'ts,

º> should and should-nots, that start

º> > to accumulate from childhood on, issues like "dinner time is 6

ºPM"

º> instead of "when hungry, eat".

º> > All the opinions too, for instance that weeds are ugly and roses

º> beautiful.

º> > Mind being a processing machine, is overloaded as the

ºsubconscious,

º> continuously scanning the

º> > sensory input and ready for response, does so via the 'rules' of

º> acquired conditioning: a burden

º> > that will only be felt, when gone (again).

º> >

º> > When the body is lethargic, obese or loaded with toxins the

º> digestion system couldn't flush, the only

º> > cure that helps fast is fasting. The few medicines that can

ºassist

º> are absorbents like active carbon.

º> > Having overcome the 'start up' problems, fasting becomes pleasant

º> and once the body is

º> > lean and clean (again), a painful hunger will be felt, unlike the

º> usual appetite for a snack...

º> >

º> > For the mind the same goes: when no longer fed

ºwith "entertainment

º> as usual" but fulfilling duties

º> > as is required, neither liking nor disliking, taking care without

º> thoughts on stuff like attachment or

º> > non-attachment, the do's and don'ts etc. start to dissolve as

ºthey

º> are but habits that once having

º> > entered the mind, perpetuated themselves. Without fuel, the fire

º> dies. Knowing this is a medicine.

º> > The acquired conditioning gone, the mind machine is lean and

ºclean

º> and its relative "leisure"

º> > will manifest itself. That event goes under the names Self-

º> realization, enlightenment, apperception,

º> > immaculate conception etc.

º> > When the above 'mental fast' is "too hard", there are infinite

º> paths between the proverbial visit to

º> > Yama and 5 minutes/day of relaxation at the incense burning

º> ritual.

º> >

º> > Knowing this, still abuse the body, or binge on special 'low

º> calorie foods', despite the possible side-effects?

º> > Still binge on countless books and discussions on free will, the

º> Self, God, big 'I's, small 'i's and related issues?

º> > At least now you know what that activity will bring out: the show

º> goes on with the same old song.

º> > For a serious candidate, Self-

º> realization/apperception/enlightenment is a 2...3 year affair.

º> > For the proverbial visitors of Yama it can be much shorter.

º> >

º> > Although the analogy ends here, regarding the mind, the 'lean and

º> clean' is but the start,

º> > as biological conditioning related to 'suffering' (including

º> physical pain) can dissolve

º> > as well. And don't forget, unless mind's potential for

º> conditioning dissolves, "the thread

º> > continues". As to no surprise this dissolution goes under names

º> like moksha, nirvana and

º> > as the 'nirvana' event, contrary to the 'apperception' event, is

º> spectacular, once it happened,

º> > can't be missed in scriptures and literature, irrespective the

º> discipline governing expression

º> > like in the recorded words of the Buddha or Jesus Christ.

º> >

º> > Peace,

º> > Jan

º

º

º

º/join

º

º

º

º

º

ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spont

ºaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

º

º

º

ºYour use of is subject to