Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 Papaji: Wait, wait. You don't follow. I will repeat it again. If there is a canal which comes out of a reservoir, you can follow this canal back to the place where it emerges from the reservoir. I am telling you, follow the 'I'-thought in the same way. Where does it rise from? I will tell you how to do it, how to find the answer. You don't have to box like Mohammed Ali for this. It is very simple. To know yourself is as simple as rubbing a rose petal. This knowledge or realisation is as simple as a rose petal in your fingers. It is not difficult at all. Difficulties only arise when you make an effort. So, you don't have to make any effort to go to the reservoir which is the source of 'I'. Don't make any effort and don't think either. Reject effort and reject thought. When I say reject thought, I mean, 'Reject the 'I'-thought and any kind of effort'. Call it mystery if you like. That mysteriousness is called grace. There is no difference. It is a mystery and it will always remain a mystery. This mystery, this secret is so very sacred, you will not be able to tell me about it. When I took you to that place, you could not tell me about it. If it were not a secret, surely you would tell me about it, because you know me. I will not deceive you. You did not tell me what was happening in this instant because you couldn't. It is so secret, two cannot walk abreast there. Not even one. Not the body, not the mind, not the senses, not even the discriminative intellect. That is That. I have been trying for the last sixty years, but I cannot solve this mystery. I have never been able to solve this secret. I am an old man. You are very young, so please speak to me. I want to see that secret, that mystery face to face. I want to kiss Him, I want to kiss Her, because I have not seen a beauty like this beauty anywhere on the face of this planet. I am in love with someone, but the Beloved I have not seen. http://www.realization.org/page/doc1/doc108e.htm Attachment: [not stored] Attachment: [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Hi Shawn: It appears I owe you an apology. All my replies to you concerning effort/no effort have been based on the assumption that the idea of no effort was being applied to daily efforts of living the pure life. I am sorry, I should not have made that assumption. I believe some effort to learn and live by principles that produce clarity and so forth is helpful for liberation. A lot of the people whose lives I read about indicate this. There are no guarantees but it is recommended. At any rate I see from this quote that the idea of no effort is about the immediate realization led to by self enquiry. Effort of any kind would posit a doer blocking liberation. This is my experience also. In other words I was speaking to the general and I believe this quote speaks to the specific. It does not appear to me that Papaji is speaking of making no effort towards spirituality in general. Love Bobby G. , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > Papaji: > > Wait, wait. You don't follow. I will repeat it again. If there is a canal > which comes out of a reservoir, you can follow this canal back to the place > where it emerges from the reservoir. I am telling you, follow the > 'I'-thought in the same way. Where does it rise from? I will tell you how to > do it, how to find the answer. You don't have to box like Mohammed Ali for > this. It is very simple. To know yourself is as simple as rubbing a rose > petal. This knowledge or realisation is as simple as a rose petal in your > fingers. It is not difficult at all. Difficulties only arise when you make > an effort. So, you don't have to make any effort to go to the reservoir > which is the source of 'I'. Don't make any effort and don't think either. > Reject effort and reject thought. When I say reject thought, I mean, 'Reject > the 'I'-thought and any kind of effort'. > > Call it mystery if you like. That mysteriousness is called grace. There is > no difference. It is a mystery and it will always remain a mystery. This > mystery, this secret is so very sacred, you will not be able to tell me > about it. When I took you to that place, you could not tell me about it. If > it were not a secret, surely you would tell me about it, because you know > me. I will not deceive you. You did not tell me what was happening in this > instant because you couldn't. It is so secret, two cannot walk abreast > there. Not even one. Not the body, not the mind, not the senses, not even > the discriminative intellect. That is That. > > I have been trying for the last sixty years, but I cannot solve this > mystery. I have never been able to solve this secret. I am an old man. You > are very young, so please speak to me. I want to see that secret, that > mystery face to face. I want to kiss Him, I want to kiss Her, because I have > not seen a beauty like this beauty anywhere on the face of this planet. I am > in love with someone, but the Beloved I have not seen. > > http://www.realization.org/page/doc1/doc108e.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 on 9/4/02 5:55 PM, texasbg2000 at Bigbobgraham wrote: > Hi Shawn: > > It appears I owe you an apology. All my replies to you concerning > effort/no effort have been based on the assumption that the idea of > no effort was being applied to daily efforts of living the pure > life. I am sorry, I should not have made that assumption. I believe > some effort to learn and live by principles that produce clarity and > so forth is helpful for liberation. A lot of the people whose lives > I read about indicate this. There are no guarantees but it is > recommended. > > At any rate I see from this quote that the idea of no effort is about > the immediate realization led to by self enquiry. Effort of any kind > would posit a doer blocking liberation. This is my experience also. > > In other words I was speaking to the general and I believe this quote > speaks to the specific. It does not appear to me that Papaji is > speaking of making no effort towards spirituality in general. > > Love > Bobby G. ================= Dear bobbyG, The oppology needed only appears so. :-) Since you are That, even now, how can effort not lead to that? There's no doubt in this one's mind about benign efforts being more helpful and auspicious than harmful ones... It can be said simply as " all efforts lead to no effort." It effort for instance of pranayam is used to quiet the mind and energize the body, then this result makes the effort of enquiry more deep...the enquiry or seeking gets so intense that, it sees itself, the loop and gives up... Some will say that to put on clothes is effort and to take them off is effort. Another will say no, to drop them is no effort. Always effort is made everywhere untill it is realised there is no doer. It only paradoxical, because we are talking about a realisation. Laughing, you realise, no effort was ever made! But apparently great effort made! The "no-doer" has always been here..., only apparently "doing"...all just words, doing it or not doing it is the thing! Ahimsa Om Shanti Blessings Gate, gate, parasamgate, to BobbyG's Great Home Love Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Well said! Love Bobby G., shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 9/4/02 5:55 PM, texasbg2000 at Bigbobgraham@a... wrote: > > > Hi Shawn: > > > > It appears I owe you an apology. All my replies to you concerning > > effort/no effort have been based on the assumption that the idea of > > no effort was being applied to daily efforts of living the pure > > life. I am sorry, I should not have made that assumption. I believe > > some effort to learn and live by principles that produce clarity and > > so forth is helpful for liberation. A lot of the people whose lives > > I read about indicate this. There are no guarantees but it is > > recommended. > > > > At any rate I see from this quote that the idea of no effort is about > > the immediate realization led to by self enquiry. Effort of any kind > > would posit a doer blocking liberation. This is my experience also. > > > > In other words I was speaking to the general and I believe this quote > > speaks to the specific. It does not appear to me that Papaji is > > speaking of making no effort towards spirituality in general. > > > > Love > > Bobby G. > ================= > > Dear bobbyG, > > The oppology needed only appears so. :-) Since you are That, even now, how > can effort not lead to that? > There's no doubt in this one's mind about benign efforts being more helpful > and auspicious than harmful ones... > It can be said simply as " all efforts lead to no effort." > It effort for instance of pranayam is used to quiet the mind and energize > the body, then this result makes the effort of enquiry more deep...the > enquiry or seeking gets so intense that, it sees itself, the loop and gives > up... > > Some will say that to put on clothes is effort and to take them off is > effort. > Another will say no, to drop them is no effort. Always effort is made > everywhere untill it is realised there is no doer. It only paradoxical, > because we are talking about a realisation. Laughing, you realise, no effort > was ever made! But apparently great effort made! The "no-doer" has always > been here..., only apparently "doing"...all just words, doing it or not > doing it is the thing! > > Ahimsa > Om Shanti > Blessings > Gate, gate, parasamgate, to BobbyG's Great Home > Love > Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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