Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 The dichotomy suggesting that there are two approaches to the Truth (gradual versus direct)is illusionary. Vedas declare with authority, "I Am That." Sri Ramana has said that the Truth of the Self Is Simple and is within everyone's grasp. However, the spiritual effort needed in terms of meditation and inquiry to make the mind subtle and to refine the intellect cannot be dismissed as trivial. If some people feel that they do not need such efforts and can grasp the Truth immediately by hearing Jean Klein give an English translation of ancient Mahavakyas, that is wonderful indeed. The state of the Self is natural. Sages called it the Sahaj state. It means easy and natural. So, you have to see what is natural for you and what comes natural to you. Wedded to either the "direct" approach or the "gradual" approach, one misses the obvious. Both the "direct" and "gradual" depend on each other for meaning and have no basis in the Reality of the Self. The Self Always Is. It is not seen by "another" directly. Neither is it approached by "another" gradually. Self Eternally Reveals It Self Alone to It Self. Love to all Harsha Th "Mark Hovila" <hovila@a...> Thu Sep 5, 2002 2:02 am Direct Approach: "You Are the Truth" -- Jean Klein The NoDoer e-mail list has been renamed DirectApproach. Here is the new list description: "There are basically two known approaches to truth, the gradual and the direct. In the direct approach the premise is that you are the truth, there is nothing to achieve. Every step to achieve something is going away from it. The 'path,' which strictly speaking is not a path from somewhere to somewhere, is only to welcome, to be open to the truth, the I am. When you have once glimpsed your real nature it solicits you. There is therefore nothing to do, only be attuned to it as often as invited. There is not a single element of volition in this attuning. It is not the mind which attunes to the I am but the I am which absorbs the mind. "In the gradual approach you are bound to the mind. The mind is under the illusion that if it changes, alters states, stops, etc., it will be absorbed in what is beyond it. This misconception leads to the most tragic state in which a truth-seeker can find himself: he has bound himself in his own web, a web of the most subtle duality." -- Jean Klein Inspired by the late Jean Klein, teacher of Advaita Vedanta (nonduality), this forum aims to bring together those who have been touched by the teachings of Jean Klein, Sri Atmananda (Krishna Menon) and other expressions of the direct approach to truth. Please share your questions, your stories, your pointers to the Ultimate. The list home page is DirectApproach/ Mark ===== /join Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Perfect Harsha... !!! Harsha [harshaimtm] Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:46 AM Harsha; ; Advaitin The False Dichotomy - Direct vs. Gradual The dichotomy suggesting that there are two approaches to the Truth (gradual versus direct)is illusionary. Vedas declare with authority, "I Am That." Sri Ramana has said that the Truth of the Self Is Simple and is within everyone's grasp. However, the spiritual effort needed in terms of meditation and inquiry to make the mind subtle and to refine the intellect cannot be dismissed as trivial. If some people feel that they do not need such efforts and can grasp the Truth immediately by hearing Jean Klein give an English translation of ancient Mahavakyas, that is wonderful indeed. The state of the Self is natural. Sages called it the Sahaj state. It means easy and natural. So, you have to see what is natural for you and what comes natural to you. Wedded to either the "direct" approach or the "gradual" approach, one misses the obvious. Both the "direct" and "gradual" depend on each other for meaning and have no basis in the Reality of the Self. The Self Always Is. It is not seen by "another" directly. Neither is it approached by "another" gradually. Self Eternally Reveals It Self Alone to It Self. Love to all Harsha --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 8/2/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Thank you, Harshaji, the aroma from thine divine feet reacheth the inner reccesses of my soul or nose or something, sending shivers of divine knowledge through the collage of my mind. I am making arduous no-effort in supporting all undermining of dichotomies in the real non dual world and am happy we can live in a place that some day will allow the yin to be different and yet supportive of the yang. As gloria says,...in the face of the loving master, even the great pearls of wisdom drop like pig doo-doo. Well, perhaps those weren't exactly her words! "After many months of extreme effort, I suddenly reached the summit of the mountain and proclaimed the last step to be the most important one, although in retrospect I expect that the first was every bit as important." " I now know that to get to the other side, it may have been as easy to go around." --a famous mountain climber Love Shawn on 9/5/02 7:46 AM, Harsha at harshaimtm wrote: > The dichotomy suggesting that there are two approaches > to the Truth (gradual versus direct)is illusionary. > > Vedas declare with authority, "I Am That." Sri Ramana > has said that the Truth of the Self Is Simple and is > within everyone's grasp. However, the spiritual effort > needed in terms of meditation and inquiry to make the > mind subtle and to refine the intellect cannot be > dismissed as trivial. If some people feel that they do > not need such efforts and can grasp the Truth > immediately by hearing Jean Klein give an English > translation of ancient Mahavakyas, that is wonderful > indeed. > > The state of the Self is natural. Sages called it the > Sahaj state. It means easy and natural. So, you have > to see what is natural for you and what comes natural > to you. > > Wedded to either the "direct" approach or the > "gradual" approach, one misses the obvious. Both the > "direct" and "gradual" depend on each other for > meaning and have no basis in the Reality of the Self. > The Self Always Is. It is not seen by "another" > directly. Neither is it approached by "another" > gradually. Self Eternally Reveals It Self Alone to It > Self. > > Love to all > Harsha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 on 9/5/02 9:07 AM, shawn at shawn wrote: > > "After many months of extreme effort, I suddenly reached the summit of the > mountain and proclaimed the last step to be the most important one, although > in retrospect I expect that the first was every bit as important." > > " I now know that to get to the other side, it may have been as easy to go > around." > --a famous mountain climber It should be remembered that the mountain climber later said if forced to make the desicion, step # 4,572 would, hands down, stand out as the critical and most auspicious step.... ( and so, one should never skip this all important step! ) - Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Thank you Wim. One Heart Speaks to Itself and Feels It Self. We are all One Heart! And Shawn, Shawn, Shawn. Thanks for your kind and really funny and profound comments and good humor. I am glad you and Bobby have come to appreicate each other more (I can be funny too! :-). Hey, I love you guys. Kheyala, congratulations on the baby boy! As you can see from everyone's sentiments, the Sangha is thrilled to have you here and share this beautiful adventure with us. Best wishes to you and your family. I really loved that post Gloria from Nisgradatta about Staying in the Self, cherishing the Self, and being harmless to others as the highest form of yoga. Thanks for all the feeling of friendship, amity, and good humor, kindness, and love in this Sangha. I feel much gratitude. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Dear Harsha and friends, I'm busy organizing another tour through the USA, also doing a lot of work on the house, so my wife does not have to worry about anything while I'm away.... Is that why I'm not writing as much...? Not that anybody cared... :-))) I did some nice discoveries about language recently, pretty novel stuff, ... well you guys know I love language... Maybe next year I will write about it in more detail... I'll be busy in the meantime travelling... The schedule will be on my website soon, same places as what shows now, but different dates... All the best to each one of you and everyone altogether...or as Harsha says for all of us "One Heart Speaks to Itself and Feels It Self. We are all One Heart!" Love you, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 8/2/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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