Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 Thank you for sharing that with Valerie in a very beautiful way Holly. Our moments in life are transient intermixed with pleasures, joys, grief, and suffering. Suffering, as Buddha noted, seems to be very much part of human life or makes up much of it. We do learn about ourselves best in suffering as well. We are all tied to each other, bound to each other, as individuals, as institutions, as nations, as planets, as galaxies, by some force....call it gravity, or at a subtle level one can call it attraction, and at a more subtle level, one can call it love. Anyway, I can see why Eric signs off with "yours in bonds". It is very lovely. We are all in bonds of some type or another. I have heard that even some Yogis are not able to give up their body in Samadhi because they feel bound to their disciples. My teacher's teacher died in his old age by giving up food (in a fast) which is the traditional prescribed way for Jain monks. My teacher's teacher's teacher called his students and gave up his life in front of them in Samadhi when he was well over a 100 years old in India. There is both suffering and there is also great beauty in life. Violence and rage and hatred exist side by side with kindness, love, and wisdom. That is how it always has been. Love to all Harsha , Hbarrett47@a... wrote: > Valerie -- I hope your mom will be okay. You do whatever you need to, there > are no rules. As Mace said, be present. My mom's death turned out to be one > of the most profound spiritual experiences of my life. The peace that > descended was indescribable and the ripple effects from this continue to > today. But her death was also about sitting by the phone, cleaning up messes > of all kinds, watching movies, being unable to eat, laughter, boredom, > wanting it to be over and then being horrified by that thought. In short, > her death was about life. I've been volunteering in a hospice for the last > couple of years and it is a wonder to watch how life explodes in glory among > the family and friends as well as in the dying loved one. Grief bares your > heart to the great Mystery. Love, Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 Harsha-ji & Friends, You understand perfectly, Harsha-ji. yours in the bonds, eric , "harshaimtm" <harshaimtm> wrote: > Thank you for sharing that with Valerie in a very beautiful way > Holly. Our moments in life are transient intermixed with pleasures, > joys, grief, and suffering. Suffering, as Buddha noted, seems to be > very much part of human life or makes up much of it. We do learn > about ourselves best in suffering as well. > > We are all tied to each other, bound to each other, as individuals, > as institutions, as nations, as planets, as galaxies, by some > force....call it gravity, or at a subtle level one can call it > attraction, and at a more subtle level, one can call it love. > > Anyway, I can see why Eric signs off with "yours in bonds". It is > very lovely. > > We are all in bonds of some type or another. I have heard that even > some Yogis are not able to give up their body in Samadhi because they > feel bound to their disciples. > > My teacher's teacher died in his old age by giving up food (in a > fast) which is the traditional prescribed way for Jain monks. My > teacher's teacher's teacher called his students and gave up his life > in front of them in Samadhi when he was well over a 100 years old in > India. > > There is both suffering and there is also great beauty in life. > Violence and rage and hatred exist side by side with kindness, love, > and wisdom. That is how it always has been. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > > , Hbarrett47@a... wrote: > > Valerie -- I hope your mom will be okay. You do whatever you need > to, there > > are no rules. As Mace said, be present. My mom's death turned out > to be one > > of the most profound spiritual experiences of my life. The peace > that > > descended was indescribable and the ripple effects from this > continue to > > today. But her death was also about sitting by the phone, cleaning > up messes > > of all kinds, watching movies, being unable to eat, laughter, > boredom, > > wanting it to be over and then being horrified by that thought. In > short, > > her death was about life. I've been volunteering in a hospice for > the last > > couple of years and it is a wonder to watch how life explodes in > glory among > > the family and friends as well as in the dying loved one. Grief > bares your > > heart to the great Mystery. Love, Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 Harsha-ji & Friends, I don't know why it's taken me so long, but you've made it abundantly clear to me that your Teacher was a Real One in a lineage of Real Ones. The Jain tradition is a very difficult path, perhaps the most difficult. If one is able to see that a path is a means of consuming karma, the Jain Path is a particularly shining one. In my lineage, such men would be known as Siddhas, and I'm absolutely sure that that is the fact in the cases you mention. Jai Gurudev, eric , "eblack101" <EBlackstead@c...> wrote: > Harsha-ji & Friends, > > You understand perfectly, Harsha-ji. > > yours in the bonds, > eric > > > , "harshaimtm" <harshaimtm> wrote: > > Thank you for sharing that with Valerie in a very beautiful way > > Holly. Our moments in life are transient intermixed with pleasures, > > joys, grief, and suffering. Suffering, as Buddha noted, seems to be > > very much part of human life or makes up much of it. We do learn > > about ourselves best in suffering as well. > > > > We are all tied to each other, bound to each other, as individuals, > > as institutions, as nations, as planets, as galaxies, by some > > force....call it gravity, or at a subtle level one can call it > > attraction, and at a more subtle level, one can call it love. > > > > Anyway, I can see why Eric signs off with "yours in bonds". It is > > very lovely. > > > > We are all in bonds of some type or another. I have heard that even > > some Yogis are not able to give up their body in Samadhi because > they > > feel bound to their disciples. > > > > My teacher's teacher died in his old age by giving up food (in a > > fast) which is the traditional prescribed way for Jain monks. My > > teacher's teacher's teacher called his students and gave up his > life > > in front of them in Samadhi when he was well over a 100 years old > in > > India. > > > > There is both suffering and there is also great beauty in life. > > Violence and rage and hatred exist side by side with kindness, > love, > > and wisdom. That is how it always has been. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > > > > > > > , Hbarrett47@a... wrote: > > > Valerie -- I hope your mom will be okay. You do whatever you > need > > to, there > > > are no rules. As Mace said, be present. My mom's death turned > out > > to be one > > > of the most profound spiritual experiences of my life. The peace > > that > > > descended was indescribable and the ripple effects from this > > continue to > > > today. But her death was also about sitting by the phone, > cleaning > > up messes > > > of all kinds, watching movies, being unable to eat, laughter, > > boredom, > > > wanting it to be over and then being horrified by that thought. > In > > short, > > > her death was about life. I've been volunteering in a hospice > for > > the last > > > couple of years and it is a wonder to watch how life explodes in > > glory among > > > the family and friends as well as in the dying loved one. Grief > > bares your > > > heart to the great Mystery. Love, Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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