Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 Hi Toine, Welcome to the Sangha. Thanks for joining and nice to have you here. Please feel to share as your heart moves you. A few days ago, Toine told me that J. Krishnamurti dated a dutch girl at one time. I never knew that and that is quite interesting. Wim, you are dutch. Can you shed some light on this? I had the impression that Krishnamurti had somewhat of an ascetic life but I could be wrong. Harsha --- "Antoinetta M. Philibert" <aphilibert wrote: > Hello everyone, > > The other day I ran into Harsha at the college where > I work in the > library and he invited me to visit his website and > join this group. > (Thank you, Harsh!) My name is Toine which is > short for Antoinetta, and > I'm originally from the Netherlands. > > For a few days, I have been reading all your posts > with interest and I > was deeply touched by some of them. I hope to learn > from you all about > life and consequently about myself, while I'm > getting to know you a > little bit from your posts. When I have something > to contribute, and > feel confident enough to do so, I will post > something myself. > > Until then, forgive me if I just read and absorb. > > Toine > ===== /join News - Today's headlines http://news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 Hi Harsha and Toine, Welcome Toine. Emmy (my wife) remembers that Krishnamurti at one point lived with his group of intimate friends of whom one was a Dutch violinist (quite famous I gather) in Saanen, Switzerland. She said that he was fond of her, to say the least. Contrary to popular belief, ascetic people can easily have intimate relationships, they may still be celibate in the strict sense of the word, but the ecstasy that comes with intense unconditional love is easily accessible and expressible by such beings. A good example is Teresa of Avila... OK, with Teresa, it was platonic and very much directed to Jesus..., but the opening of the heart and her remaining in the heart / love state was constant and permanent. Why not Krishnamurti? And why would it be (or have to be) Platonic? Contrary to popular belief gurus have bodies too, as well as the common urges that come with it, what they do not have is... hang-ups. Gurus are great lovers in various senses of the word... Krishna himself was pretty good at it... gosh ;-))) In the religious and spiritual environment, Indian pre-occupation with sexuality differs quite a bit from Western pre-occupation with non-sexuality in a similar environment. Ah, just look at Hindu art, look at Buddhist art! Mazie has been sending us some wonderful attachments lately that reflect the wonder of all-encompassing intimacy between Shiva/Shakti, Hari/Hara, Kameshvara/Kameshvari, Krishna/Radha, all on an integrated spiritual/body level. Brahma had his Sarasvati (or was it Savitri or was it Gayetra?) Vishnu... Lakshmi Shiva...Parvati Wim Harsha [harshaimtm] Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:22 PM Toine/Introduction Hi Toine, Welcome to the Sangha. Thanks for joining and nice to have you here. Please feel to share as your heart moves you. A few days ago, Toine told me that J. Krishnamurti dated a dutch girl at one time. I never knew that and that is quite interesting. Wim, you are dutch. Can you shed some light on this? I had the impression that Krishnamurti had somewhat of an ascetic life but I could be wrong. Harsha --- "Antoinetta M. Philibert" <aphilibert wrote: > Hello everyone, > > The other day I ran into Harsha at the college where > I work in the > library and he invited me to visit his website and > join this group. > (Thank you, Harsh!) My name is Toine which is > short for Antoinetta, and > I'm originally from the Netherlands. > > For a few days, I have been reading all your posts > with interest and I > was deeply touched by some of them. I hope to learn > from you all about > life and consequently about myself, while I'm > getting to know you a > little bit from your posts. When I have something > to contribute, and > feel confident enough to do so, I will post > something myself. > > Until then, forgive me if I just read and absorb. > > Toine > ===== /join News - Today's headlines http://news. /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release 9/9/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release 9/9/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 Hi Wim and Harsha, Thank you for welcoming me to the group. Thank you, Wim, for backing me up! The woman in question was Helen Nearing, born Knothe, daughter of a Dutch painter (Maria Obreen), and an American businessman. I was mistaken to say she was Dutch; she was an American. According to her own account in Loving and Leaving the Good Life, she met Jiddu Krishnamurti, a young Hindu, in Holland, where she stayed to study the violin, when she was 16. She describes the passionate love they felt for each other for 6 years, during which they spent time together, but also corresponded when he was in India. In the book there are photographs of her and Krishnamurti, who was strikingly handsome. Much later, when she visited him in India, when he was giving talks, he pretended not to know her. She was clearly disappointed in his behavior. She writes: "Not a flicker even of friendliness was left. He had no more care for me or interest than he had for the fly on the wall." Helen knew that after her he always had women friends, but she didn't know how passionately he became attached to them. Toine On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:42:07 -0700 Wim Borsboom <wim writes: snip > Emmy (my wife) remembers that Krishnamurti at one point lived with > his group of intimate friends of whom one was a Dutch violinist (quite famous > I gather) in Saanen, Switzerland. She said that he was fond of her, to > say the least. > Contrary to popular belief, ascetic people can easily have intimate > relationships, they may still be celibate in the strict sense of the > word, but the ecstasy that comes with intense unconditional love is easily > accessible and expressible by such beings. snip > Wim ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 --- "Antoinetta M. Philibert" <aphilibert wrote: > Hi Wim and Harsha, > > Thank you for welcoming me to the group. > > Thank you, Wim, for backing me up! The woman in > question was Helen > Nearing, born Knothe, daughter of a Dutch painter > (Maria Obreen), and an > American businessman. I was mistaken to say she > was Dutch; she was an > American. According to her own account in Loving > and Leaving the Good > Life, she met Jiddu Krishnamurti, a young Hindu, in > Holland, where she > stayed to study the violin, when she was 16. She > describes the > passionate love they felt for each other for 6 > years, during which they > spent time together, but also corresponded when he > was in India. In the > book there are photographs of her and Krishnamurti, > who was strikingly > handsome. Much later, when she visited him in > India, when he was giving > talks, he pretended not to know her. She was > clearly disappointed in his > behavior. She writes: "Not a flicker even of > friendliness was left. He > had no more care for me or interest than he had for > the fly on the wall." > Helen knew that after her he always had women > friends, but she didn't > know how passionately he became attached to them. > > Toine ************************ Thanks Toine for doing some extra research and sharing that about Krishnamurti. How odd that Krishnamurti pretended not to know his old sweetheart Helen?! I wonder if he was uncomfortable with the emotions he felt for Helen for such a long time. Or maybe Helen had gained weight and Krishnamurti was still skinny. I am just guessing. That should not make a difference anyway. Lot of these Guru types (or the so called non-guru types) have serious problems trying to keep up the image and all. Am I being unfair to Krishnamurti? I don't know but it doesn't seem like he was respectful of Helen as a human being. And if you can't respect a fellow human being, especially someone that you have cared about and someone who cares about you, then something does seem out of place. Love to all Harsha ===== /join News - Today's headlines http://news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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