Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 04:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Harsha <harshaimtm writes: > How odd that Krishnamurti > pretended not to know his old sweetheart Helen?! I > wonder if he was uncomfortable with the emotions he > felt for Helen for such a long time. Or maybe Helen > had gained weight and Krishnamurti was still skinny. I > am just guessing. That should not make a difference > anyway. > > Lot of these Guru types (or the so called non-guru > types) have serious problems trying to keep up the > image and all. Am I being unfair to Krishnamurti? I > don't know but it doesn't seem like he was respectful > of Helen as a human being. > > And if you can't respect a fellow human being, > especially someone that you have cared about and > someone who cares about you, then something does seem > out of place. Harsha, I don't think Helen ever gained weight. And like you said, that should not make a difference. I must admit that I laughed out loud when I read your suggestion that maybe she had gained weight. According to Helen the relationship was never physical. She describes her togetherness with him as having been rare, pure, and chaste. She says, and I quote: "Krishna's character and being remain a mystery to me to this day. I am grateful for the opportunity to have been close to him for a time." She does not judge him for not acknowledging her in the end. She just doesn't understand it. Anyway, it was interesting to read that, obviously, he was not perfect. Toine ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 > Anyway, it was interesting to read that, obviously, he > was not perfect. > > Toine How do you know that what you read means he wasn't perfect? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Glad you had a good laugh Toine! :-). I have always found Krishnamurti to be one of the most utterly boring famous people. My apologies to the K fans. Once in a while, someone will post one of Krishnamurti's quotes, which will be really profound, and it greatly impresses me. Then I think, well, he is good for somebody somewhere. In between the torrential rain of words, he managed to say something of meaning. One time, I read a bit of Krishnamurti's biography and that was very interesting...much more interesting than what he ever said, in my view. Love to all Harsha --- "Antoinetta M. Philibert" <aphilibert wrote: > I don't think Helen ever gained weight. And like > you said, that should > not make a difference. I must admit that I laughed > out loud when I read > your suggestion that maybe she had gained weight. > According to Helen the > relationship was never physical. She describes her > togetherness with him > as having been rare, pure, and chaste. She says, > and I quote: "Krishna's > character and being remain a mystery to me to this > day. I am grateful > for the opportunity to have been close to him for a > time." She does not > judge him for not acknowledging her in the end. She > just doesn't > understand it. Anyway, it was interesting to read > that, obviously, he > was not perfect. > > Toine ===== /join New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Glad you had a good laugh Toine! :-). > > I have always found Krishnamurti to be one of the most > utterly boring famous people. My apologies to the K > fans. Once in a while, someone will post one of > Krishnamurti's quotes, which will be really profound, > and it greatly impresses me. Then I think, well, he is > good for somebody somewhere. In between the torrential > rain of words, he managed to say something of meaning. > > > One time, I read a bit of Krishnamurti's biography and > that was very interesting...much more interesting than > what he ever said, in my view. > > Love to all > Harsha Oh, so you don't think he was perfect, either? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: > , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > > Glad you had a good laugh Toine! :-). > > > > I have always found Krishnamurti to be one of the most > > utterly boring famous people. My apologies to the K > > fans. Once in a while, someone will post one of > > Krishnamurti's quotes, which will be really profound, > > and it greatly impresses me. Then I think, well, he is > > good for somebody somewhere. In between the torrential > > rain of words, he managed to say something of meaning. > > > > > > One time, I read a bit of Krishnamurti's biography and > > that was very interesting...much more interesting than > > what he ever said, in my view. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > Oh, so you don't think he was perfect, either? > > -- Dan Dear Dan, I was not thinking in terms of perfection or imperfection really--and who knows what such terms mean. If you do think that Krishnamurti was perfect (whatever perfect means), we certainly have common ground as my feeling was that he was perfectly boring! :-). Ha! Ha! How I make myself laugh! I am perfectly funny! :-). At least in my own mind! :-). Love, Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hi Harsha -- > I was not thinking in terms of perfection or imperfection really-- and > who knows what such terms mean. Me. > If you do think that Krishnamurti was perfect (whatever perfect > means), we certainly have common ground as my feeling was that he was > perfectly boring! :-). Krishnamurti was perfectly Krishnamurti, as Harsha is perfectly Harsha. And yes, we do have common ground here, as I feel you were perfectly opinionated. > > Ha! Ha! How I make myself laugh! By cracking yourself up, is that how? > I am perfectly funny! :-). At least in my own mind! :-). Yes, that's another way to define perfection. Everyone is perfectly in the center of his or her own mind. Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > Hi Harsha -- > > > I was not thinking in terms of perfection or > imperfection really-- > and > > who knows what such terms mean. > > Me. Good for Mr. Me. Ask Mr. Me, how the stock market will do tomorrow and please report here. :-). > Krishnamurti was perfectly Krishnamurti, > as Harsha is perfectly Harsha. > > And yes, we do have common ground here, as > I feel you were perfectly opinionated. > **********I perfectly agree! Love, Harsha ===== /join New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > --- dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > > Hi Harsha -- > > > > > I was not thinking in terms of perfection or > > imperfection really-- > > and > > > who knows what such terms mean. > > > > Me. > > Good for Mr. Me. Ask Mr. Me, how the stock market will > do tomorrow and please report here. :-). The stock market will not be perfect. But all the stockbrokers will perfectly be who they are. > > Krishnamurti was perfectly Krishnamurti, > > as Harsha is perfectly Harsha. > > > > And yes, we do have common ground here, as > > I feel you were perfectly opinionated. > > > > **********I perfectly agree! Perfect agreement is a wonderful thing. Love, Dan > > Love, > Harsha > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: > Perfect agreement is a wonderful thing. No it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hi Toine, K often wrote about the shackles of memory, so to speak, ie the idea that memory/conditioning acts as a filter that prevents us from seeing the new *as* the new, that always overlays the reality of the now and distorts it with the past. Assuming K had freed himself from those shackles, perhaps he had just 'forgotten' her. New to this list folks, though have been learning from your posts for a bit; saying hi and namaste to all, Grant. > ** Original Re: Krishnamurti > ** Original Sender: "Antoinetta M. Philibert" <aphilibert > ** Original 20 Sep 2002 03:41:47 -0000 > ** Original Message follows... > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 04:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Harsha <harshaimtm > writes: > > How odd that Krishnamurti > > pretended not to know his old sweetheart Helen?! I > > wonder if he was uncomfortable with the emotions he > > felt for Helen for such a long time. Or maybe Helen > > had gained weight and Krishnamurti was still skinny. I > > am just guessing. That should not make a difference > > anyway. > > > > Lot of these Guru types (or the so called non-guru > > types) have serious problems trying to keep up the > > image and all. Am I being unfair to Krishnamurti? I > > don't know but it doesn't seem like he was respectful > > of Helen as a human being. > > > > And if you can't respect a fellow human being, > > especially someone that you have cared about and > > someone who cares about you, then something does seem > > out of place. Harsha, > > I don't think Helen ever gained weight. And like you said, that should > not make a difference. I must admit that I laughed out loud when I read > your suggestion that maybe she had gained weight. According to Helen the > relationship was never physical. She describes her togetherness with him > as having been rare, pure, and chaste. She says, and I quote: "Krishna's > character and being remain a mystery to me to this day. I am grateful > for the opportunity to have been close to him for a time." She does not > judge him for not acknowledging her in the end. She just doesn't > understand it. Anyway, it was interesting to read that, obviously, he > was not perfect. > > Toine > > > > > ______________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hi, Grant, I'm new here myself, but welcome to the group!! Thank you for your comments. You make a good point. Yeah, Krishnamurti wrote at one time: "Memory is not necessary. I am not locked into the past....Memories are ashes of everything dead and burried." And he has said: "There is never a sense of coming back to a relation There are no anchorages: there is simply a moving on." He was obviously living what he had preached. And Dan asked why I thought Krishnamurti was not perfect. Can I take it back? I had too hastely come to that conclusion. (I apologize!) I thought about it, and I figured that, as we are all created in God's image, we must all be perfect, including Krishnamurti. Harsha, you ARE perfectly funny!!! Namaste, Toine On 20 Sep 2002 22:27:56 +0000 bardsley writes: > Hi Toine, > > K often wrote about the shackles of memory, so to speak, ie the idea > that memory/conditioning acts as a filter that prevents us from > seeing the new *as* the new, that always overlays the reality of the > now and distorts it with the past. Assuming K had freed himself from > those shackles, perhaps he had just 'forgotten' her. > > New to this list folks, though have been learning from your posts > for a bit; saying hi and namaste to all, > > Grant. ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 Welcome Toine and Grant, Yes - I feel that 'imperfect' is expectations. Perfect is 'what is' as it is - it is not possible for it to be any other way because this is the only way it can 'be'. Love, James , "Antoinetta M. Philibert" <aphilibert@j...> wrote: > Hi, > > Grant, I'm new here myself, but welcome to the group!! Thank you for > your comments. You make a good point. Yeah, Krishnamurti wrote at one > time: "Memory is not necessary. I am not locked into the > past....Memories are ashes of everything dead and burried." And he has > said: "There is never a sense of coming back to a relation There are no > anchorages: there is simply a moving on." He was obviously living what > he had preached. > > And Dan asked why I thought Krishnamurti was not perfect. Can I take it > back? I had too hastely come to that conclusion. (I apologize!) I > thought about it, and I figured that, as we are all created in God's > image, we must all be perfect, including Krishnamurti. > > Harsha, you ARE perfectly funny!!! > > Namaste, > > Toine > > On 20 Sep 2002 22:27:56 +0000 bardsley@c... writes: > > Hi Toine, > > > > K often wrote about the shackles of memory, so to speak, ie the idea > > that memory/conditioning acts as a filter that prevents us from > > seeing the new *as* the new, that always overlays the reality of the > > now and distorts it with the past. Assuming K had freed himself from > > those shackles, perhaps he had just 'forgotten' her. > > > > New to this list folks, though have been learning from your posts > > for a bit; saying hi and namaste to all, > > > > Grant. > > > ______________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 stated another way... The imperfection of expectations, perfectly point to 'perfect'. Love, James , "james " <nisarga@c...> wrote: > > > Welcome Toine and Grant, > > Yes - I feel that 'imperfect' is expectations. > > Perfect is 'what is' as it is - it is not possible for it to be > any other way because this is the only way it can 'be'. > > Love, > James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2002 Report Share Posted September 22, 2002 Yes, Grant and Toine, welcome to the group. Enjoying your posts. Love to all Harsha --- "Antoinetta M. Philibert" <aphilibert wrote: > Hi, > > Grant, I'm new here myself, but welcome to the > group!! Thank you for > your comments. You make a good point. Yeah, > Krishnamurti wrote at one > time: "Memory is not necessary. I am not locked > into the > past....Memories are ashes of everything dead and > burried." And he has > said: "There is never a sense of coming back to a > relation There are no > anchorages: there is simply a moving on." He was > obviously living what > he had preached. > > And Dan asked why I thought Krishnamurti was not > perfect. Can I take it > back? I had too hastely come to that conclusion. (I > apologize!) I > thought about it, and I figured that, as we are all > created in God's > image, we must all be perfect, including > Krishnamurti. > > Harsha, you ARE perfectly funny!!! > > Namaste, > > Toine ===== /join New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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