Gabriele/a question about thoughts and the thought-free state

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Dear Gabriele,

 

It's a great question.

 

The Absolute thought-free state is Nirvikalpa.

Nirvikalpa in Sanskrit actually means just that....A

state without kalpas or without thoughts and

imagination, etc.

 

As Sri Ramana has described clearly --- Kevala

Nirvikalpa Samdhi implies the merging of the mind into

the Heart--- and Self is Realized in Fullness as Pure

Consciousness that is Sat-Chit-Ananda.

 

If the vasans (latent tendencies) are strong, the mind

will appear to rise back into the brain through Amrita

Nadi that joins the Heart and the Sahasarara. Sri

Ramana has said that continued inquiry is needed.

 

UARELOVE posted something very beautiful the other

day. The inquiry in advanced stages is more like

effortless pure self-attention attending to its own

nature spontaneously. Here, even if thought arises,

there is watchfulness, attention, but not the feeling

of ownership.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

--- Gabriele Ebert <g.ebert wrote:

> Dear All,

> at the moment I am reading the "No Mind"-book.

> Lakshmana Samys teaching

> relating to atma vichara is very similar to that of

> the Maharshi's.

> He speaks of the effortless thoughtfree state as a

> prerequisite to Realisation,

> and here a question comes up.

>

> If atma vichara is deepened the mind becomes silent

> and stays more and more

> permanently in the Heart. Nevertheless on the

> surface normal thoughts play

> their normal games: coming and going and then again

> no thoughts at all -

> as it is needed for leading a normal life and

> reacting normally.

> On the surface thoughts are like clouds, they have

> no substance by themselves,

> and in the debth of the heart there is absolute

> silence and the focus in vichara is here only.

> It is the ground wherefrom everything arises. When

> there are thoughts on the surface

> they are watched but not given attention and

> importance - so they do what is needed,

> but they are left alone.

> Concentration is in the Heart.

>

> If one is not identificated with the surface-play of

> thoughts and centred in the Heart only

> driving the question "Who am I?" within, is this

> then enough?

>

> Sri Ramana and also Lakshmana said that the mind has

> to be pure in full.

> There may not be a single thought left and the

> I-thought as the last thought will then be destroyed

>

> by the Self. Only then the real Self is revealed in

> full.

>

> How do you understand that? How is your experience?

> The absolute thoughtfree state, would that not be

> nirvikalpa samadhi?

>

> In Sri Ramana

> Gabriele

 

 

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Dear Harsha,

also thanks to you. When thoughts arise then, they are without

ownership. They belong to noone. Their base is disturbed, so they

can't settle anywhere. And as there is noone to cling to them - what

harm can they do? They are of another quality as the original

thoughts based on the I-thought.

In HIM

Gabriele

 

 

>

> Here, even if thought arises,

> there is watchfulness, attention, but not the feeling

> of ownership.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

>

>

> --- Gabriele Ebert <g.ebert@g...> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> > at the moment I am reading the "No Mind"-book.

> > Lakshmana Samys teaching

> > relating to atma vichara is very similar to that of

> > the Maharshi's.

> > He speaks of the effortless thoughtfree state as a

> > prerequisite to Realisation,

> > and here a question comes up.

> >

> > If atma vichara is deepened the mind becomes silent

> > and stays more and more

> > permanently in the Heart. Nevertheless on the

> > surface normal thoughts play

> > their normal games: coming and going and then again

> > no thoughts at all -

> > as it is needed for leading a normal life and

> > reacting normally.

> > On the surface thoughts are like clouds, they have

> > no substance by themselves,

> > and in the debth of the heart there is absolute

> > silence and the focus in vichara is here only.

> > It is the ground wherefrom everything arises. When

> > there are thoughts on the surface

> > they are watched but not given attention and

> > importance - so they do what is needed,

> > but they are left alone.

> > Concentration is in the Heart.

> >

> > If one is not identificated with the surface-play of

> > thoughts and centred in the Heart only

> > driving the question "Who am I?" within, is this

> > then enough?

> >

> > Sri Ramana and also Lakshmana said that the mind has

> > to be pure in full.

> > There may not be a single thought left and the

> > I-thought as the last thought will then be destroyed

> >

> > by the Self. Only then the real Self is revealed in

> > full.

> >

> > How do you understand that? How is your experience?

> > The absolute thoughtfree state, would that not be

> > nirvikalpa samadhi?

> >

> > In Sri Ramana

> > Gabriele

>

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