Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 1986On 10th January, before departing for Los Angeles, Krishnamurti bid farewell to everyone. He was diagnosed with cancer. On 17th February at 12:10 p.m., Krishnamurti breathed his last at Ojai, California. Just three days before he died, Krishnamurti sadly confided to one of Rajneesh’s disciples, "I have wasted my life. People listened to me as if I were an entertainer." http://top-biography.com/0006-J.%20Krishnamurti/index1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 Hi Gloria, This is from 'Reflections about J. Krishnamurti' by Carlos Silva http://personal.servicios.terra.es/personal/jcarlos12silva/REFLECTI.HT M (link does not fit on one line so you may have to copy and paste it in your browser) An audio-cassette was recorded by J. Krishnamurti in February 1986, just a few days before leaving the body for the last time, which is known as dying. The total content is unknown. Only a few were present and heard it all and then they decided that others should not. Someone said that what he expressed was very sad... and wanted to spare to the readers. This denial to free access... Is it a proof of censorship? It is difficult to know what the real message was. How much, where and by whom it was censored, (if it was) we don't know. Some parts of this cassette have been published. K.'s recorded declaration seems to have been the answer to a question in a letter from a member of the K. Foundation of England. The question apparently was: "What will happen to the extraordinary focus of awareness and energy that is in K., when his body is no more?" The answer that has filtered to the public is: Krishnamurti: "I was telling them this morning, that for seventy years that super energy, no, that immense energy, immense intelligence, has been using this body. I don't think people realise what tremendous energy and intelligence went through this body, it is like a twelve cylinder engine. And for seventy years it went on, which was a pretty long time, and now the body cannot stand it any more. Nobody, unless the body has been prepared, very carefully, protected and so on, nobody can understand what went through this body. Nobody. Don't anybody pretend. Nobody. I repeat this: nobody amongst us or the public, knows what went on. I know they don't. And now after seventy years it has come to an end. Not that intelligence and energy, it's somewhat here, every day, and specially at night. After seventy years the body can't stand it any more. It can't. The Indians have a lot of damned superstitions about this. That you will and the body goes, and all that kind of nonsense. You won't find another body like this, or that supreme intelligence operating in a body for many hundreds of years. You won't see it again. When he goes, it goes. There is no consciousness left behind of that consciousness, of that state. They'll all pretend or try to imagine they can get in touch with that. Perhaps they will somewhat if they live the teachings. But nobody has done it. Nobody. And so that's that". ~~~ see the link above for the complete piece by Carlos Silva Love, James , "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote: > > 1986 > On 10th January, before departing for Los Angeles, Krishnamurti bid farewell to everyone. He was diagnosed with cancer. On 17th February at 12:10 p.m., Krishnamurti breathed his last at Ojai, California. > > Just three days before he died, Krishnamurti sadly confided to one of Rajneesh's disciples, "I have wasted my life. People listened to me as if I were an entertainer." > > http://top-biography.com/0006-J.%20Krishnamurti/index1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 Thanks for sharing this Gloria. We have had quite a discussion on Krishnamurti on . If people wish to post anecdotes that show Krishnamurti's human and loving side, that would be great. Any stories about his sense of humor would be most welcome. Love to all Harsha --- Gloria Lee <glee wrote: > > 1986 > On 10th January, before departing for Los Angeles, > Krishnamurti bid farewell to everyone. He was > diagnosed with cancer. On 17th February at 12:10 > p.m., Krishnamurti breathed his last at Ojai, > California. > > Just three days before he died, Krishnamurti sadly > confided to one of Rajneesh's disciples, "I have > wasted my life. People listened to me as if I were > an entertainer." > > http://top-biography.com/0006-J.%20Krishnamurti/index1.htm ===== /join New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 Dear Harsha-ji, , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: Thanks for sharing this Gloria. We have had quite a discussion on Krishnamurti on . If people wish to post anecdotes that show Krishnamurti's human and loving side, that would be great. Any stories about his sense of humor would be most welcome. Love to all Harsha KKT: Here is a joke from JK but I'm afraid you might find his sense of humor too strong! >From The Kitchen Chronicles - 1001 Lunches with J. Krishnamurti by Michael Krohnen, p. 157 We were silent for a while, then Krishnamurti spoke up, "That reminds me of a good joke I heard the other day. The Pope dies and goes up to the Pearly Gates where he meets St. Peter. He says to him, 'You must be St. Peter.' St. Peter answers, 'And who are you?' The Pope is taken aback, 'You don't recognize me? I'm the Pope.' St. Peter picks up his list and goes over the names, 'Pope, Pope-- I'm sorry, there is nobody here by that name. I'm sorry, but you can't enter heaven.' The Pope is shocked. 'There must be some mistake. It's impossible--I must be on that list. Please, look again: I'm the Pope!' St. Peter gets impatient and tells him to buzz off. By now the Pope is in tears and begs him, 'Please, St. Peter, I'm your successor and the representative of Jesus on earth. I'm the head of the Holy Roman Church. I have the right to enter heaven.' St. Peter is getting annoyed and says, 'I've never heard of anything so foolish. If you don't immediately buzz off, I'll call the angels with the flaming swords.' The Pope is in utter despair. 'No, please don't, I beg of you. Can't you ask somebody who knows me? Maybe Jesus or one of the saints will vouch for me.' St. Peter gives in and says to the chap, 'All right, I'll go and ask inside. You stay here. And don't touch anything.' So he goes inside, and there are Jesus, his mother Mary, the apostles and several angels and saints. 'Excuse me, Lord,' says St. Peter, 'there is a chap by the name of Pope wanting to enter heaven. He claims to have been your representative on earth.' Jesus laughs, My representative on earth? That's rather absurd, isn't it? And I've never heard of anyone named Pope.' Turning to the others, he asks, 'Have any of you ever heard of a Pope?' No one seems to know the Pope, until suddenly the Virgin Mary speaks up, 'Wait a minute. Pope--isn't he the one who spread all the rumors about me and the Holy Ghost?' " Hope that nobody feels offense. It's just a joke ! :-)) Peace & smile :-) KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 Thank you Sri Master Phamji. I am not that familiar with Christian theology so did not really get the joke completely and can't say I laughed really hard. It did sound good pretty good, the Holy Ghost and Mother Mary. Not too strong Master Pham! Good one, I think. Maybe the Catholic and Christian satsangis would be in a better position to comment. Love to all Harsha --- phamdluan2000 <phamdluan wrote: > > Dear Harsha-ji, > > > , Harsha <harshaimtm> > wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing this Gloria. We have had quite a > discussion on Krishnamurti on . > > If people wish to post anecdotes that show > Krishnamurti's human and loving side, that would be > great. Any stories about his sense of humor would be > most welcome. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > > > > KKT: Here is a joke from JK > but I'm afraid you might find > his sense of humor too strong! > > > From The Kitchen Chronicles - > 1001 Lunches with J. Krishnamurti > by Michael Krohnen, p. 157 > > > We were silent for a while, then Krishnamurti spoke > up, > "That reminds me of a good joke I heard the other > day. > The Pope dies and goes up to the Pearly Gates where > he meets St. Peter. He says to him, 'You must be > St. Peter.' > St. Peter answers, 'And who are you?' The Pope is > taken > aback, 'You don't recognize me? I'm the Pope.' St. > Peter > picks up his list and goes over the names, 'Pope, > Pope-- > I'm sorry, there is nobody here by that name. I'm > sorry, > but you can't enter heaven.' The Pope is shocked. > 'There must be some mistake. It's impossible--I must > be > on that list. Please, look again: I'm the Pope!' > St. Peter > gets impatient and tells him to buzz off. By now > the Pope > is in tears and begs him, 'Please, St. Peter, I'm > your > successor and the representative of Jesus on earth. > I'm the head of the Holy Roman Church. I have the > right > to enter heaven.' St. Peter is getting annoyed and > says, > 'I've never heard of anything so foolish. If you > don't > immediately buzz off, I'll call the angels with the > flaming > swords.' The Pope is in utter despair. 'No, please > don't, > I beg of you. Can't you ask somebody who knows me? > Maybe Jesus or one of the saints will vouch for me.' > St. Peter gives in and says to the chap, 'All right, > I'll go > and ask inside. You stay here. And don't touch > anything.' > So he goes inside, and there are Jesus, his mother > Mary, > the apostles and several angels and saints. 'Excuse > me, > Lord,' says St. Peter, 'there is a chap by the name > of > Pope wanting to enter heaven. He claims to have been > your representative on earth.' Jesus laughs, My > representative on earth? That's rather absurd, isn't > it? > And I've never heard of anyone named Pope.' Turning > to the others, he asks, 'Have any of you ever heard > of > a Pope?' No one seems to know the Pope, until > suddenly > the Virgin Mary speaks up, 'Wait a minute. > Pope--isn't he > the one who spread all the rumors about me and the > Holy Ghost?' " > > > > Hope that nobody feels offense. > It's just a joke ! :-)) > > > Peace & smile :-) > > > KKT > > > > > > > > > > ===== /join New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 After seventy years, Krishnamurti still had not resolved the childhood hurt that resulted in narcissistic responses and a desire to be seen as personally special. Of course, in this difficulty resolving the narcissim of specialness, he is not unique, but merely one of billions -- all of whom have the same energy moving through them. It's ironic when it becomes clear that personality involving a desire to be seen as special and important remains in those who preach with clarity about dropping it. It also has struck me with Osho and Adi Da how flagrantly narcissistic they were in treating their followers, to whom they frequently spoke about "being nothing." The denial of personality seems like a basis to unconsciously maintain personal claims of specialness which are then rationalized -- often followers are more than happy to assist with the rationalizations. It is not through the dropping of any personality or any sense of specialness that one is clear about the truth beyond personality -- it is when personality doesn't cling to itself or deny itself -- it is when any sense of one's specialness is clearly in "perspective" -- understood as what it is -- not denied while one pretends to have some awesome sense of truth that everyone else lacks -- that whole dynamic of "me" having something awesomely special that "you" don't -- which is evident in so many teachers and teachings -- is nothing more than a narcissistic orientation ... How ironic are the dynamics involved in these claims to have dropped any personality while others still have personalities -- and to be personally embodying an infinite impersonal energy that no one else has. -- Dan , "james " <nisarga@c...> wrote: > > > Hi Gloria, > > This is from 'Reflections about J. Krishnamurti' by Carlos Silva > > http://personal.servicios.terra.es/personal/jcarlos12silva/REFLECTI.HT > M (link does not fit on one line so you may have to copy and paste > it in your browser) > > > An audio-cassette was recorded by J. Krishnamurti in February 1986, > just a few days before leaving the body for the last time, which is > known as dying. The total content is unknown. Only a few were present > and heard it all and then they decided that others should not. Someone > said that what he expressed was very sad... and wanted to spare to the > readers. This denial to free access... Is it a proof of censorship? It > is difficult to know what the real message was. How much, where and by > whom it was censored, (if it was) we don't know. Some parts of this > cassette have been published. > > K.'s recorded declaration seems to have been the answer to a > question in a letter from a member of the K. Foundation of England. > The question apparently was: "What will happen to the extraordinary > focus of awareness and energy that is in K., when his body is no > more?" The answer that has filtered to the public is: > > > Krishnamurti: "I was telling them this morning, that for seventy years > that super energy, no, that immense energy, immense intelligence, has > been using this body. I don't think people realise what tremendous > energy and intelligence went through this body, it is like a twelve > cylinder engine. And for seventy years it went on, which was a pretty > long time, and now the body cannot stand it any more. Nobody, unless > the body has been prepared, very carefully, protected and so on, > nobody can understand what went through this body. Nobody. Don't > anybody pretend. Nobody. I repeat this: nobody amongst us or the > public, knows what went on. I know they don't. And now after seventy > years it has come to an end. Not that intelligence and energy, it's > somewhat here, every day, and specially at night. After seventy years > the body can't stand it any more. It can't. The Indians have a lot of > damned superstitions about this. That you will and the body goes, and > all that kind of nonsense. You won't find another body like this, or > that supreme intelligence operating in a body for many hundreds of > years. You won't see it again. When he goes, it goes. There is no > consciousness left behind of that consciousness, of that state. > They'll all pretend or try to imagine they can get in touch with that. > Perhaps they will somewhat if they live the teachings. But nobody has > done it. Nobody. And so that's that". > > > > ~~~ > see the link above for the complete piece by Carlos Silva > > > Love, > James > > > , "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote: > > > > 1986 > > On 10th January, before departing for Los Angeles, Krishnamurti bid > farewell to everyone. He was diagnosed with cancer. On 17th February > at 12:10 p.m., Krishnamurti breathed his last at Ojai, California. > > > > Just three days before he died, Krishnamurti sadly confided to one > of Rajneesh's disciples, "I have wasted my life. People listened to me > as if I were an entertainer." > > > > http://top-biography.com/0006-J.%20Krishnamurti/index1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 Dear Dan, , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: After seventy years, Krishnamurti still had not resolved the childhood hurt that resulted in narcissistic responses and a desire to be seen as personally special. Of course, in this difficulty resolving the narcissim of specialness, he is not unique, but merely one of billions -- all of whom have the same energy moving through them. It's ironic when it becomes clear that personality involving a desire to be seen as special and important remains in those who preach with clarity about dropping it. It also has struck me with Osho and Adi Da how flagrantly narcissistic they were in treating their followers, to whom they frequently spoke about "being nothing." The denial of personality seems like a basis to unconsciously maintain personal claims of specialness which are then rationalized -- often followers are more than happy to assist with the rationalizations. It is not through the dropping of any personality or any sense of specialness that one is clear about the truth beyond personality -- it is when personality doesn't cling to itself or deny itself -- it is when any sense of one's specialness is clearly in "perspective" -- understood as what it is -- not denied while one pretends to have some awesome sense of truth that everyone else lacks -- that whole dynamic of "me" having something awesomely special that "you" don't -- which is evident in so many teachers and teachings -- is nothing more than a narcissistic orientation ... How ironic are the dynamics involved in these claims to have dropped any personality while others still have personalities -- and to be personally embodying an infinite impersonal energy that no one else has. -- Dan KKT: Glad to read from you again. Your analysis is very << rational >> but I'm not sure if it were right ? :-)) Here is something from an << enlightened >> person (or recognized as such by others :-)) U.G. Krishnamurti, who claims to be enlightened (and who must not be confused with Jiddu Krishnamurti), has made these telling comments: The personality does not change when you come into this state [of enlightenment]. You are, after all, a computer machine which reacts as it has been programmed. It is in fact your present efforts to change yourself which are taking you away from yourself and are keeping you from functioning in the natural way . The personality will remain the same. Don't expect such a man to become free from anger or idiosyncracies. Don't expect some kind of spiritual humility . Such a man may be the most arrogant person you have ever met, because he is touching life at a unique place where no man has touched before. It is for this reason that each person who comes into this state expresses it in a unique way, in terms which are relevant to this time . It is also for this reason that if two or more people are living in this state at the same time they will never get together. They won't dance in the streets hand in hand--"We are all self-realized men; we belong." Cheers :-)) KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 I read several books by Krishnamurti in the 1970's, early 1980's. It was my initiators who paid attention to his work. I have one in Norwegian called *Freedom from the known*. Whatever people could have said or written about him, I can only conclude that his message was based on Cosmic, Universal laws. What more do we need to add? Universal laws works everywhere, allways. They are not excluding. They do not belong to any religion or organization. They point directly into the common truth within any soul, any individual. They are available to anyone who really seeks the truth, they are *closer than the breath* as Tantra says. It doesn't surprise me at all that these person in his very genetical organism carried so strong energies that it caused cancer. In the socalled 4th initiation - manifesting why on Earth - it is dangerous to keep the inflowing energies or messages encapsulated within one self, without manifesting it. To fullfill one's reason for beeing born, requires manifestation, an outer expression. These can be blocked either by one own's inability to realize it, or by the resistance in our environment. More than one ascended master have developed cancer because of inability or resistance in the environment to get the message. Peace with his soul. - "Harsha" <harshaimtm <>; "NDS" <NondualitySalon> Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:56 PM Re: "last words" of Krishnamurti > Thanks for sharing this Gloria. We have had quite a > discussion on Krishnamurti on . > > If people wish to post anecdotes that show > Krishnamurti's human and loving side, that would be > great. Any stories about his sense of humor would be > most welcome. > > Love to all > Harsha > > --- Gloria Lee <glee wrote: > > > > 1986 > > On 10th January, before departing for Los Angeles, > > Krishnamurti bid farewell to everyone. He was > > diagnosed with cancer. On 17th February at 12:10 > > p.m., Krishnamurti breathed his last at Ojai, > > California. > > > > Just three days before he died, Krishnamurti sadly > > confided to one of Rajneesh's disciples, "I have > > wasted my life. People listened to me as if I were > > an entertainer." > > > > > http://top-biography.com/0006-J.%20Krishnamurti/index1.htm > > > > ===== > /join > > > > > > > > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & > http://sbc. > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 , "phamdluan2000" <phamdluan@a...> wrote: U.G. Krishnamurti, who claims to be enlightened (and who must not be confused with Jiddu Krishnamurti), has made these telling comments: The personality does not change when you come into this state [of enlightenment]. You are, after all, a computer machine which reacts as it has been programmed. It is in fact your present efforts to change yourself which are taking you away from yourself and are keeping you from functioning in the natural way . The personality will remain the same. Don't expect such a man to become free from anger or idiosyncracies. Don't expect some kind of spiritual humility . Such a man may be the most arrogant person you have ever met, because he is touching life at a unique place where no man has touched before. )))) this unique place where one is touching life -- one's own imagination. It is for this reason that each person who comes into this state expresses it in a unique way, in terms which are relevant to this time . It is also for this reason that if two or more people are living in this state at the same time they will never get together. They won't dance in the streets hand in hand--"We are all self-realized men; we belong." ))) No, but they will dance hand in hand nonetheless! They may or may not get together, but they know all the same that they have never been apart nor ever could be. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Hi KKT -- > KKT: Glad to read from you again. > > Your analysis is very << rational >> > but I'm not sure if it were right ? :-)) > > Here is something from an << enlightened >> person > (or recognized as such by others :-)) > > > U.G. Krishnamurti, who claims > to be enlightened U.G.'s general claim is that the idea of anyone claiming enlightenment is ridiculous. (and who must not > be confused with Jiddu Krishnamurti), > has made these telling comments: > > > The personality does not change when you come > into this state [of enlightenment]. There is no permanent state of enlightenment -- and I notice that the [of enlightenment] was added. Any state is transitory. Any state that comes, goes. You are, after all, > a computer machine which reacts as it has been > programmed. It is in fact your present efforts to > change yourself which are taking you away from > yourself and are keeping you from functioning in the > natural way . The personality will remain the same. > Don't expect such a man to become free from anger > or idiosyncracies. Don't expect some kind of spiritual > humility . Such a man may be the most arrogant > person you have ever met, because he is touching life > at a unique place where no man has touched before. Do you see how the statement contradicts itself? You are a machine. Then, you are touching life in a unique place where no man has touched before. How silly to draw on U.G. as some kind of authority to prove a point about enlightenment. By the way, Krishnamurti didn't claim to be enlightened, and questioned that idea as a construct that assists avoidance of looking into "what is" ... The funny part is the petulance and irritation Krishnamurti expressed about wanting to have his teaching get people somewhere -- when much of the teaching is about the fallacy of trying to get oneself or someone else anywhere other than where they are ... As for remarkable changes to the personality -- I agree with what you say about that. Why should we be looking for remarkable personality changes, as if that would prove something? Sometimes these do happen, though, often related to tumors or closed head injuries. But, if you're going to realize that this is true about personality change, then why not realize the same thing is true about remarkable changes in states of being? There is no separable entity which enters into a state of being in the first place... and that is why some teachers use that silly metaphor of humans being computer programs ... > It is for this reason that each person who comes into > this state expresses it in a unique way, in terms which > are relevant to this time . It is also for this reason that > if two or more people are living in this state at the same > time they will never get together. They won't dance in the > streets hand in hand--"We are all self-realized men; we belong." Of course, one who has no existence as a separable continuing entity is utterly unique and in flux moment to moment. But so is everything else ... And I say all this talk about entering some kind of special state is rather superficial. Any state that arises, leaves. Whatever state comes next, comes next. On it goes ... > Cheers :-)) And cheers to you, Pham. It's obvious that the idea that there is some kind of special state that exempts a human being from narcissistic tendencies is absurd. The whole circus around claims of special states is entertaining for some, and implying that one is in a special state may be validating for others, and claiming one's teacher is the one who's special may be validating for those who don't dare to make that claim for self. Peace, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 One who believes that he has been initiated will have to deal with the repercussions of carrying whatever beliefs are required to be continued, to validate that one is initiated. One who is free from the known wouldn't then claim to know whose cancer is the result of some kind of personal specialness and whose cancer is just cancer. And when it comes down to it, cancer is cancer. -- Dan , "Magne Aga" <magneaga@m...> wrote: > > > I read several books by Krishnamurti in the 1970's, early 1980's. It was my > initiators who paid attention to his work. I have one in Norwegian called > *Freedom from the known*. > > Whatever people could have said or written about him, I can only conclude > that his message was based on Cosmic, Universal laws. > > What more do we need to add? Universal laws works everywhere, allways. They > are not excluding. They do not belong to any religion or organization. They > point directly into the common truth within any soul, any individual. They > are available to anyone who really seeks the truth, they are *closer than > the breath* as Tantra says. > > It doesn't surprise me at all that these person in his very genetical > organism carried so strong energies that it caused cancer. In the socalled > 4th initiation - manifesting why on Earth - it is dangerous to keep the > inflowing energies or messages encapsulated within one self, without > manifesting it. To fullfill one's reason for beeing born, requires > manifestation, an outer expression. These can be blocked either by one own's > inability to realize it, or by the resistance in our environment. More than > one ascended master have developed cancer because of inability or resistance > in the environment to get the message. > > Peace with his soul. > > > > - > "Harsha" <harshaimtm> > ; "NDS" > <NondualitySalon> > Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:56 PM > Re: "last words" of Krishnamurti > > > > Thanks for sharing this Gloria. We have had quite a > > discussion on Krishnamurti on . > > > > If people wish to post anecdotes that show > > Krishnamurti's human and loving side, that would be > > great. Any stories about his sense of humor would be > > most welcome. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > > > --- Gloria Lee <glee@c...> wrote: > > > > > > 1986 > > > On 10th January, before departing for Los Angeles, > > > Krishnamurti bid farewell to everyone. He was > > > diagnosed with cancer. On 17th February at 12:10 > > > p.m., Krishnamurti breathed his last at Ojai, > > > California. > > > > > > Just three days before he died, Krishnamurti sadly > > > confided to one of Rajneesh's disciples, "I have > > > wasted my life. People listened to me as if I were > > > an entertainer." > > > > > > > > http://top-biography.com/0006-J.%20Krishnamurti/index1.htm > > > > > > > > ===== > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & > > http://sbc. > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: > There is no permanent state of enlightenment .... Any state is transitory. Any state that comes, goes. And I say all this talk about entering some kind of special state is rather superficial. Any state that arises, leaves. )))) Perhaps it would revealing to examine these concepts regarding the permanence or impermanence of any state in the light of the testimony of those who have actually transcended such concepts and realized the State of True Freedom. A fine example I re-encountered recently was the Chapter from Yogananda's Autobiography entitled "The Resurrection of Sri Yukteshwar", which (though lengthy) I am copying here for the Sangha's enjoyment in full (although it ranges over many topics), and including a little something from our Friend Ramana at the end: "Lord Krishna!" The glorious form of the avatar appeared in a shimmering blaze as I sat in my room at the Regent Hotel in Bombay. Shining over the roof of a high building across the street, the ineffable vision had suddenly burst on my sight as I gazed out of my long open third-story window. The divine figure waved to me, smiling and nodding in greeting. When I could not understand the exact message of Lord Krishna, he departed with a gesture of blessing. Wondrously uplifted, I felt that some spiritual event was presaged. My Western voyage had, for the time being, been cancelled. I was scheduled for several public addresses in Bombay before leaving on a return visit to Bengal. Sitting on my bed in the Bombay hotel at three o'clock in the afternoon of June 19, 1936—one week after the vision of Krishna—I was roused from my meditation by a beatific light. Before my open and astonished eyes, the whole room was transformed into a strange world, the sunlight transmuted into supernal splendor. Waves of rapture engulfed me as I beheld the flesh and blood form of Sri Yukteswar! "My son!" Master spoke tenderly, on his face an angel-bewitching smile. For the first time in my life I did not kneel at his feet in greeting but instantly advanced to gather him hungrily in my arms. Moment of moments! The anguish of past months was toll I counted weightless against the torrential bliss now descending. "Master mine, beloved of my heart, why did you leave me?" I was incoherent in an excess of joy. "Why did you let me go to the Kumbha Mela? How bitterly have I blamed myself for leaving you!" "I did not want to interfere with your happy anticipation of seeing the pilgrimage spot where first I met Babaji. I left you only for a little while; am I not with you again?" "But is it you, Master, the same Lion of God? Are you wearing a body like the one I buried beneath the cruel Puri sands?" "Yes, my child, I am the same. This is a flesh and blood body. Though I see it as ethereal, to your sight it is physical. From the cosmic atoms I created an entirely new body, exactly like that cosmic-dream physical body which you laid beneath the dream-sands at Puri in your dream-world. I am in truth resurrected—not on earth but on an astral planet. Its inhabitants are better able than earthly humanity to meet my lofty standards. There you and your exalted loved ones shall someday come to be with me." "Deathless guru, tell me more!" Master gave a quick, mirthful chuckle. "Please, dear one," he said, "won't you relax your hold a little?" "Only a little!" I had been embracing him with an octopus grip. I could detect the same faint, fragrant, natural odor which had been characteristic of his body before. The thrilling touch of his divine flesh still persists around the inner sides of my arms and in my palms whenever I recall those glorious hours. "As prophets are sent on earth to help men work out their physical karma, so I have been directed by God to serve on an astral planet as a savior," Sri Yukteswar explained. "It is called Hiranyaloka or 'Illumined Astral Planet.' There I am aiding advanced beings to rid themselves of astral karma and thus attain liberation from astral rebirths. The dwellers on Hiranyaloka are highly developed spiritually; all of them had acquired, in their last earth- incarnation, the meditation-given power of consciously leaving their physical bodies at death. No one can enter Hiranyaloka unless he has passed on earth beyond the state of sabikalpa samadhi into the higher state of nirbikalpa samadhi. 1 "The Hiranyaloka inhabitants have already passed through the ordinary astral spheres, where nearly all beings from earth must go at death; there they worked out many seeds of their past actions in the astral worlds. None but advanced beings can perform such redemptive work effectually in the astral worlds. Then, in order to free their souls more fully from the cocoon of karmic traces lodged in their astral bodies, these higher beings were drawn by cosmic law to be reborn with new astral bodies on Hiranyaloka, the astral sun or heaven, where I have resurrected to help them. There are also highly advanced beings on Hiranyaloka who have come from the superior, subtler, causal world." My mind was now in such perfect attunement with my guru's that he was conveying his word-pictures to me partly by speech and partly by thought-transference. I was thus quickly receiving his idea-tabloids. "You have read in the scriptures," Master went on, "that God encased the human soul successively in three bodies—the idea, or causal, body; the subtle astral body, seat of man's mental and emotional natures; and the gross physical body. On earth a man is equipped with his physical senses. An astral being works with his consciousness and feelings and a body made of lifetrons.2 A causal-bodied being remains in the blissful realm of ideas. My work is with those astral beings who are preparing to enter the causal world." "Adorable Master, please tell me more about the astral cosmos." Though I had slightly relaxed my embrace at Sri Yukteswar's request, my arms were still around him. Treasure beyond all treasures, my guru who had laughed at death to reach me! "There are many astral planets, teeming with astral beings," Master began. "The inhabitants use astral planes, or masses of light, to travel from one planet to another, faster than electricity and radioactive energies. "The astral universe, made of various subtle vibrations of light and color, is hundreds of times larger than the material cosmos. The entire physical creation hangs like a little solid basket under the huge luminous balloon of the astral sphere. Just as many physical suns and stars roam in space, so there are also countless astral solar and stellar systems. Their planets have astral suns and moons, more beautiful than the physical ones. The astral luminaries resemble the aurora borealis—the sunny astral aurora being more dazzling than the mild-rayed moon-aurora. The astral day and night are longer than those of earth. "The astral world is infinitely beautiful, clean, pure, and orderly. There are no dead planets or barren lands. The terrestrial blemishes— weeds, bacteria, insects, snakes—are absent. Unlike the variable climates and seasons of the earth, the astral planets maintain the even temperature of an eternal spring, with occasional luminous white snow and rain of many-colored lights. Astral planets abound in opal lakes and bright seas and rainbow rivers. "The ordinary astral universe—not the subtler astral heaven of Hiranyaloka—is peopled with millions of astral beings who have come, more or less recently, from the earth, and also with myriads of fairies, mermaids, fishes, animals, goblins, gnomes, demigods and spirits, all residing on different astral planets in accordance with karmic qualifications. Various spheric mansions or vibratory regions are provided for good and evil spirits. Good ones can travel freely, but the evil spirits are confined to limited zones. In the same way that human beings live on the surface of the earth, worms inside the soil, fish in water, and birds in air, so astral beings of different grades are assigned to suitable vibratory quarters. "Among the fallen dark angels expelled from other worlds, friction and war take place with lifetronic bombs or mental mantric3 vibratory rays. These beings dwell in the gloom-drenched regions of the lower astral cosmos, working out their evil karma. "In the vast realms above the dark astral prison, all is shining and beautiful. The astral cosmos is more naturally attuned than the earth to the divine will and plan of perfection. Every astral object is manifested primarily by the will of God, and partially by the will- call of astral beings. They possess the power of modifying or enhancing the grace and form of anything already created by the Lord. He has given His astral children the freedom and privilege of changing or improving at will the astral cosmos. On earth a solid must be transformed into liquid or other form through natural or chemical processes, but astral solids are changed into astral liquids, gases, or energy solely and instantly by the will of the inhabitants. "The earth is dark with warfare and murder in the sea, land, and air," my guru continued, "but the astral realms know a happy harmony and equality. Astral beings dematerialize or materialize their forms at will. Flowers or fish or animals can metamorphose themselves, for a time, into astral men. All astral beings are free to assume any form, and can easily commune together. No fixed, definite, natural law hems them round—any astral tree, for example, can be successfully asked to produce an astral mango or other desired fruit, flower, or indeed any other object. Certain karmic restrictions are present, but there are no distinctions in the astral world about desirability of various forms. Everything is vibrant with God's creative light. "No one is born of woman; offspring are materialized by astral beings through the help of their cosmic will into specially patterned, astrally condensed forms. The recently physically disembodied being arrives in an astral family through invitation, drawn by similar mental and spiritual tendencies. "The astral body is not subject to cold or heat or other natural conditions. The anatomy includes an astral brain, or the thousand- petaled lotus of light, and six awakened centers in the sushumna, or astral cerebro-spinal axis. The heart draws cosmic energy as well as light from the astral brain, and pumps it to the astral nerves and body cells, or lifetrons. Astral beings can affect their bodies by lifetronic force or by mantric vibrations. "The astral body is an exact counterpart of the last physical form. Astral beings retain the same appearance which they possessed in youth in their previous earthly sojourn; occasionally an astral being chooses, like myself, to retain his old age appearance." Master, emanating the very essence of youth, chuckled merrily. "Unlike the spacial, three-dimensional physical world cognized only by the five senses, the astral spheres are visible to the all- inclusive sixth sense—intuition," Sri Yukteswar went on. "By sheer intuitional feeling, all astral beings see, hear, smell, taste, and touch. They possess three eyes, two of which are partly closed. The third and chief astral eye, vertically placed on the forehead, is open. Astral beings have all the outer sensory organs—ears, eyes, nose, tongue, and skin—but they employ the intuitional sense to experience sensations through any part of the body; they can see through the ear, or nose, or skin. They are able to hear through the eyes or tongue, and can taste through the ears or skin, and so forth.4 "Man's physical body is exposed to countless dangers, and is easily hurt or maimed; the ethereal astral body may occasionally be cut or bruised but is healed at once by mere willing." "Gurudeva, are all astral persons beautiful?" "Beauty in the astral world is known to be a spiritual quality, and not an outward conformation," Sri Yukteswar replied. "Astral beings therefore attach little importance to facial features. They have the privilege, however, of costuming themselves at will with new, colorful, astrally materialized bodies. Just as worldly men don new array for gala events, so astral beings find occasions to bedeck themselves in specially designed forms. "Joyous astral festivities on the higher astral planets like Hiranyaloka take place when a being is liberated from the astral world through spiritual advancement, and is therefore ready to enter the heaven of the causal world. On such occasions the Invisible Heavenly Father, and the saints who are merged in Him, materialize Themselves into bodies of Their own choice and join the astral celebration. In order to please His beloved devotee, the Lord takes any desired form. If the devotee worshiped through devotion, he sees God as the Divine Mother. To Jesus, the Father-aspect of the Infinite One was appealing beyond other conceptions. The individuality with which the Creator has endowed each of His creatures makes every conceivable and inconceivable demand on the Lord's versatility!" My guru and I laughed happily together. "Friends of other lives easily recognize one another in the astral world," Sri Yukteswar went on in his beautiful, flutelike voice. "Rejoicing at the immortality of friendship, they realize the indestructibility of love, often doubted at the time of the sad, delusive partings of earthly life. "The intuition of astral beings pierces through the veil and observes human activities on earth, but man cannot view the astral world unless his sixth sense is somewhat developed. Thousands of earth- dwellers have momentarily glimpsed an astral being or an astral world. "The advanced beings on Hiranyaloka remain mostly awake in ecstasy during the long astral day and night, helping to work out intricate problems of cosmic government and the redemption of prodigal sons, earthbound souls. When the Hiranyaloka beings sleep, they have occasional dreamlike astral visions. Their minds are usually engrossed in the conscious state of highest nirbikalpa bliss. "Inhabitants in all parts of the astral worlds are still subject to mental agonies. The sensitive minds of the higher beings on planets like Hiranyaloka feel keen pain if any mistake is made in conduct or perception of truth. These advanced beings endeavor to attune their every act and thought with the perfection of spiritual law. "Communication among the astral inhabitants is held entirely by astral telepathy and television; there is none of the confusion and misunderstanding of the written and spoken word which earth-dwellers must endure. Just as persons on the cinema screen appear to move and act through a series of light pictures, and do not actually breathe, so the astral beings walk and work as intelligently guided and coordinated images of light, without the necessity of drawing power from oxygen. Man depends upon solids, liquids, gases, and energy for sustenance; astral beings sustain themselves principally by cosmic light." "Master mine, do astral beings eat anything?" I was drinking in his marvelous elucidations with the receptivity of all my faculties—mind, heart, soul. Superconscious perceptions of truth are permanently real and changeless, while fleeting sense experiences and impressions are never more than temporarily or relatively true, and soon lose in memory all their vividness. My guru's words were so penetratingly imprinted on the parchment of my being that at any time, by transferring my mind to the superconscious state, I can clearly relive the divine experience. "Luminous raylike vegetables abound in the astral soils," he answered. "The astral beings consume vegetables, and drink a nectar flowing from glorious fountains of light and from astral brooks and rivers. Just as invisible images of persons on the earth can be dug out of the ether and made visible by a television apparatus, later being dismissed again into space, so the God-created, unseen astral blueprints of vegetables and plants floating in the ether are precipitated on an astral planet by the will of its inhabitants. In the same way, from the wildest fancy of these beings, whole gardens of fragrant flowers are materialized, returning later to the etheric invisibility. Although dwellers on the heavenly planets like Hiranyaloka are almost freed from any necessity of eating, still higher is the unconditioned existence of almost completely liberated souls in the causal world, who eat nothing save the manna of bliss. "The earth-liberated astral being meets a multitude of relatives, fathers, mothers, wives, husbands, and friends, acquired during different incarnations on earth,5 as they appear from time to time in various parts of the astral realms. He is therefore at a loss to understand whom to love especially; he learns in this way to give a divine and equal love to all, as children and individualized expressions of God. Though the outward appearance of loved ones may have changed, more or less according to the development of new qualities in the latest life of any particular soul, the astral being employs his unerring intuition to recognize all those once dear to him in other planes of existence, and to welcome them to their new astral home. Because every atom in creation is inextinguishably dowered with individuality,6 an astral friend will be recognized no matter what costume he may don, even as on earth an actor's identity is discoverable by close observation despite any disguise. "The span of life in the astral world is much longer than on earth. A normal advanced astral being's average life period is from five hundred to one thousand years, measured in accordance with earthly standards of time. As certain redwood trees outlive most trees by millenniums, or as some yogis live several hundred years though most men die before the age of sixty, so some astral beings live much longer than the usual span of astral existence. Visitors to the astral world dwell there for a longer or shorter period in accordance with the weight of their physical karma, which draws them back to earth within a specified time. "The astral being does not have to contend painfully with death at the time of shedding his luminous body. Many of these beings nevertheless feel slightly nervous at the thought of dropping their astral form for the subtler causal one. The astral world is free from unwilling death, disease, and old age. These three dreads are the curse of earth, where man has allowed his consciousness to identify itself almost wholly with a frail physical body requiring constant aid from air, food, and sleep in order to exist at all. "Physical death is attended by the disappearance of breath and the disintegration of fleshly cells. Astral death consists of the dispersement of lifetrons, those manifest units of energy which constitute the life of astral beings. At physical death a being loses his consciousness of flesh and becomes aware of his subtle body in the astral world. Experiencing astral death in due time, a being thus passes from the consciousness of astral birth and death to that of physical birth and death. These recurrent cycles of astral and physical encasement are the ineluctable destiny of all unenlightened beings. Scriptural definitions of heaven and hell sometimes stir man's deeper-than-subconscious memories of his long series of experiences in the blithesome astral and disappointing terrestrial worlds." "Beloved Master," I asked, "will you please describe more in detail the difference between rebirth on the earth and in the astral and causal spheres?" "Man as an individualized soul is essentially causal-bodied," my guru explained. "That body is a matrix of the thirty-five ideas required by God as the basic or causal thought forces from which He later formed the subtle astral body of nineteen elements and the gross physical body of sixteen elements. "The nineteen elements of the astral body are mental, emotional, and lifetronic. The nineteen components are intelligence; ego; feeling; mind (sense-consciousness); five instruments of knowledge, the subtle counterparts of the senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch; five instruments of action, the mental correspondence for the executive abilities to procreate, excrete, talk, walk, and exercise manual skill; and five instruments of life force, those empowered to perform the crystallizing, assimilating, eliminating, metabolizing, and circulating functions of the body. This subtle astral encasement of nineteen elements survives the death of the physical body, which is made of sixteen gross metallic and nonmetallic elements. "God thought out different ideas within Himself and projected them into dreams. Lady Cosmic Dream thus sprang out decorated in all her colossal endless ornaments of relativity. "In thirty-five thought categories of the causal body, God elaborated all the complexities of man's nineteen astral and sixteen physical counterparts. By condensation of vibratory forces, first subtle, then gross, He produced man's astral body and finally his physical form. According to the law of relativity, by which the Prime Simplicity has become the bewildering manifold, the causal cosmos and causal body are different from the astral cosmos and astral body; the physical cosmos and physical body are likewise characteristically at variance with the other forms of creation. The fleshly body is made of the fixed, objectified dreams of the Creator. The dualities are ever-present on earth: disease and health, pain and pleasure, loss and gain. Human beings find limitation and resistance in three-dimensional matter. When man's desire to live is severely shaken by disease or other causes, death arrives; the heavy overcoat of the flesh is temporarily shed. The soul, however, remains encased in the astral and causal bodies.7 The adhesive force by which all three bodies are held together is desire. The power of unfulfilled desires is the root of all man's slavery. "Physical desires are rooted in egotism and sense pleasures. The compulsion or temptation of sensory experience is more powerful than the desire-force connected with astral attachments or causal perceptions. "Astral desires center around enjoyment in terms of vibration. Astral beings enjoy the ethereal music of the spheres and are entranced by the sight of all creation as exhaustless expressions of changing light. The astral beings also smell, taste, and touch light. Astral desires are thus connected with an astral being's power to precipitate all objects and experiences as forms of light or as condensed thoughts or dreams. "Causal desires are fulfilled by perception only. The nearly-free beings who are encased only in the causal body see the whole universe as realizations of the dream-ideas of God; they can materialize anything and everything in sheer thought. Causal beings therefore consider the enjoyment of physical sensations or astral delights as gross and suffocating to the soul's fine sensibilities. Causal beings work out their desires by materializing them instantly.8 Those who find themselves covered only by the delicate veil of the causal body can bring universes into manifestation even as the Creator. Because all creation is made of the cosmic dream-texture, the soul thinly clothed in the causal has vast realizations of power. "A soul, being invisible by nature, can be distinguished only by the presence of its body or bodies. The mere presence of a body signifies that its existence is made possible by unfulfilled desires.9 "So long as the soul of man is encased in one, two, or three body- containers, sealed tightly with the corks of ignorance and desires, he cannot merge with the sea of Spirit. When the gross physical receptacle is destroyed by the hammer of death, the other two coverings—astral and causal—still remain to prevent the soul from consciously joining the Omnipresent Life. When desirelessness is attained through wisdom, its power disintegrates the two remaining vessels. The tiny human soul emerges, free at last; it is one with the Measureless Amplitude." I asked my divine guru to shed further light on the high and mysterious causal world. "The causal world is indescribably subtle," he replied. "In order to understand it, one would have to possess such tremendous powers of concentration that he could close his eyes and visualize the astral cosmos and the physical cosmos in all their vastness—the luminous balloon with the solid basket—as existing in ideas only. If by this superhuman concentration one succeeded in converting or resolving the two cosmoses with all their complexities into sheer ideas, he would then reach the causal world and stand on the borderline of fusion between mind and matter. There one perceives all created things— solids, liquids, gases, electricity, energy, all beings, gods, men, animals, plants, bacteria—as forms of consciousness, just as a man can close his eyes and realize that he exists, even though his body is invisible to his physical eyes and is present only as an idea. "Whatever a human being can do in fancy, a causal being can do in reality. The most colossal imaginative human intelligence is able, in mind only, to range from one extreme of thought to another, to skip mentally from planet to planet, or tumble endlessly down a pit of eternity, or soar rocketlike into the galaxied canopy, or scintillate like a searchlight over milky ways and the starry spaces. But beings in the causal world have a much greater freedom, and can effortlessly manifest their thoughts into instant objectivity, without any material or astral obstruction or karmic limitation. "Causal beings realize that the physical cosmos is not primarily constructed of electrons, nor is the astral cosmos basically composed of lifetrons—both in reality are created from the minutest particles of God-thought, chopped and divided by maya, the law of relativity which intervenes to apparently separate the Noumenon from His phenomena. "Souls in the causal world recognize one another as individualized points of joyous Spirit; their thought-things are the only objects which surround them. Causal beings see the difference between their bodies and thoughts to be merely ideas. As a man, closing his eyes, can visualize a dazzling white light or a faint blue haze, so causal beings by thought alone are able to see, hear, feel, taste, and touch; they create anything, or dissolve it, by the power of cosmic mind. "Both death and rebirth in the causal world are in thought. Causal- bodied beings feast only on the ambrosia of eternally new knowledge. They drink from the springs of peace, roam on the trackless soil of perceptions, swim in the ocean-endlessness of bliss. Lo! see their bright thought-bodies zoom past trillions of Spirit-created planets, fresh bubbles of universes, wisdom-stars, spectral dreams of golden nebulae, all over the skiey blue bosom of Infinity! "Many beings remain for thousands of years in the causal cosmos. By deeper ecstasies the freed soul then withdraws itself from the little causal body and puts on the vastness of the causal cosmos. All the separate eddies of ideas, particularized waves of power, love, will, joy, peace, intuition, calmness, self-control, and concentration melt into the ever-joyous Sea of Bliss. No longer does the soul have to experience its joy as an individualized wave of consciousness, but is merged in the One Cosmic Ocean, with all its waves—eternal laughter, thrills, throbs. "When a soul is out of the cocoon of the three bodies it escapes forever from the law of relativity and becomes the ineffable Ever- Existent.10 Behold the butterfly of Omnipresence, its wings etched with stars and moons and suns! The soul expanded into Spirit remains alone in the region of lightless light, darkless dark, thoughtless thought, intoxicated with its ecstasy of joy in God's dream of cosmic creation." "A free soul!" I ejaculated in awe. "When a soul finally gets out of the three jars of bodily delusions," Master continued, "it becomes one with the Infinite without any loss of individuality. Christ had won this final freedom even before he was born as Jesus. In three stages of his past, symbolized in his earth-life as the three days of his experience of death and resurrection, he had attained the power to fully arise in Spirit. "The undeveloped man must undergo countless earthly and astral and causal incarnations in order to emerge from his three bodies. A master who achieves this final freedom may elect to return to earth as a prophet to bring other human beings back to God, or like myself he may choose to reside in the astral cosmos. There a savior assumes some of the burden of the inhabitants' karma11 and thus helps them to terminate their cycle of reincarnation in the astral cosmos and go on permanently to the causal spheres. Or a freed soul may enter the causal world to aid its beings to shorten their span in the causal body and thus attain the Absolute Freedom." "Resurrected One, I want to know more about the karma which forces souls to return to the three worlds." I could listen forever, I thought, to my omniscient Master. Never in his earth-life had I been able at one time to assimilate so much of his wisdom. Now for the first time I was receiving a clear, definite insight into the enigmatic interspaces on the checkerboard of life and death. "The physical karma or desires of man must be completely worked out before his permanent stay in astral worlds becomes possible," my guru elucidated in his thrilling voice. "Two kinds of beings live in the astral spheres. Those who still have earthly karma to dispose of and who must therefore reinhabit a gross physical body in order to pay their karmic debts could be classified, after physical death, as temporary visitors to the astral world rather than as permanent residents. "Beings with unredeemed earthly karma are not permitted after astral death to go to the high causal sphere of cosmic ideas, but must shuttle to and fro from the physical and astral worlds only, conscious successively of their physical body of sixteen gross elements, and of their astral body of nineteen subtle elements. After each loss of his physical body, however, an undeveloped being from the earth remains for the most part in the deep stupor of the death- sleep and is hardly conscious of the beautiful astral sphere. After the astral rest, such a man returns to the material plane for further lessons, gradually accustoming himself, through repeated journeys, to the worlds of subtle astral texture. "Normal or long-established residents of the astral universe, on the other hand, are those who, freed forever from all material longings, need return no more to the gross vibrations of earth. Such beings have only astral and causal karma to work out. At astral death these beings pass to the infinitely finer and more delicate causal world. Shedding the thought-form of the causal body at the end of a certain span, determined by cosmic law, these advanced beings then return to Hiranyaloka or a similar high astral planet, reborn in a new astral body to work out their unredeemed astral karma. "My son, you may now comprehend more fully that I am resurrected by divine decree," Sri Yukteswar continued, "as a savior of astrally reincarnating souls coming back from the causal sphere, in particular, rather than of those astral beings who are coming up from the earth. Those from the earth, if they still retain vestiges of material karma, do not rise to the very high astral planets like Hiranyaloka. "Just as most people on earth have not learned through meditation- acquired vision to appreciate the superior joys and advantages of astral life and thus, after death, desire to return to the limited, imperfect pleasures of earth, so many astral beings, during the normal disintegration of their astral bodies, fail to picture the advanced state of spiritual joy in the causal world and, dwelling on thoughts of the more gross and gaudy astral happiness, yearn to revisit the astral paradise. Heavy astral karma must be redeemed by such beings before they can achieve after astral death a permanent stay in the causal thought-world, so thinly partitioned from the Creator. "Only when a being has no further desires for experiences in the pleasing-to-the-eye astral cosmos, and cannot be tempted to go back there, does he remain in the causal world. Completing there the work of redeeming all causal karma or seeds of past desires, the confined soul thrusts out the last of the three corks of ignorance and, emerging from the final jar of the causal body, commingles with the Eternal. "Now do you understand?" Master smiled so enchantingly! "Yes, through your grace. I am speechless with joy and gratitude." Never from song or story had I ever received such inspiring knowledge. Though the Hindu scriptures refer to the causal and astral worlds and to man's three bodies, how remote and meaningless those pages compared with the warm authenticity of my resurrected Master! For him indeed existed not a single "undiscover'd country from whose bourn no traveller returns"! "The interpenetration of man's three bodies is expressed in many ways through his threefold nature," my great guru went on. "In the wakeful state on earth a human being is conscious more or less of his three vehicles. When he is sensuously intent on tasting, smelling, touching, listening, or seeing, he is working principally through his physical body. Visualizing or willing, he is working mainly through his astral body. His causal medium finds expression when man is thinking or diving deep in introspection or meditation; the cosmical thoughts of genius come to the man who habitually contacts his causal body. In this sense an individual may be classified broadly as 'a material man,' 'an energetic man,' or 'an intellectual man.' "A man identifies himself about sixteen hours daily with his physical vehicle. Then he sleeps; if he dreams, he remains in his astral body, effortlessly creating any object even as do the astral beings. If man's sleep be deep and dreamless, for several hours he is able to transfer his consciousness, or sense of I-ness, to the causal body; such sleep is revivifying. A dreamer is contacting his astral and not his causal body; his sleep is not fully refreshing." I had been lovingly observing Sri Yukteswar while he gave his wondrous exposition. "Angelic guru," I said, "your body looks exactly as it did when last I wept over it in the Puri ashram." "O yes, my new body is a perfect copy of the old one. I materialize or dematerialize this form any time at will, much more frequently than I did while on earth. By quick dematerialization, I now travel instantly by light express from planet to planet or, indeed, from astral to causal or to physical cosmos." My divine guru smiled. "Though you move about so fast these days, I had no difficulty in finding you at Bombay!" "O Master, I was grieving so deeply about your death!" "Ah, wherein did I die? Isn't there some contradiction?" Sri Yukteswar's eyes were twinkling with love and amusement. "You were only dreaming on earth; on that earth you saw my dream- body," he went on. "Later you buried that dream-image. Now my finer fleshly body—which you behold and are even now embracing rather closely!—is resurrected on another finer dream-planet of God. Someday that finer dream-body and finer dream-planet will pass away; they too are not forever. All dream-bubbles must eventually burst at a final wakeful touch. Differentiate, my son Yogananda, between dreams and Reality!" This idea of Vedantic12 resurrection struck me with wonder. I was ashamed that I had pitied Master when I had seen his lifeless body at Puri. I comprehended at last that my guru had always been fully awake in God, perceiving his own life and passing on earth, and his present resurrection, as nothing more than relativities of divine ideas in the cosmic dream. "I have now told you, Yogananda, the truths of my life, death, and resurrection. Grieve not for me; rather broadcast everywhere the story of my resurrection from the God-dreamed earth of men to another God-dreamed planet of astrally garbed souls! New hope will be infused into the hearts of misery-mad, death-fearing dreamers of the world." "Yes, Master!" How willingly would I share with others my joy at his resurrection! "On earth my standards were uncomfortably high, unsuited to the natures of most men. Often I scolded you more than I should have. You passed my test; your love shone through the clouds of all reprimands." He added tenderly, "I have also come today to tell you: Never again shall I wear the stern gaze of censure. I shall scold you no more." How much I had missed the chastisements of my great guru! Each one had been a guardian angel of protection. "Dearest Master! Rebuke me a million times—do scold me now!" "I shall chide you no more." His divine voice was grave, yet with an undercurrent of laughter. "You and I shall smile together, so long as our two forms appear different in the maya-dream of God. Finally we shall merge as one in the Cosmic Beloved; our smiles shall be His smile, our unified song of joy vibrating throughout eternity to be broadcast to God-tuned souls!" Sri Yukteswar gave me light on certain matters which I cannot reveal here. During the two hours that he spent with me in the Bombay hotel room he answered my every question. A number of world prophecies uttered by him that June day in 1936 have already come to pass. "I leave you now, beloved one!" At these words I felt Master melting away within my encircling arms. "My child," his voice rang out, vibrating into my very soul- firmament, "whenever you enter the door of nirbikalpa samadhi and call on me, I shall come to you in flesh and blood, even as today." With this celestial promise Sri Yukteswar vanished from my sight. A cloud-voice repeated in musical thunder: "Tell all! Whosoever knows by nirbikalpa realization that your earth is a dream of God can come to the finer dream-created planet of Hiranyaloka, and there find me resurrected in a body exactly like my earthly one. Yogananda, tell all!" Gone was the sorrow of parting. The pity and grief for his death, long robber of my peace, now fled in stark shame. Bliss poured forth like a fountain through endless, newly opened soul-pores. Anciently clogged with disuse, they now widened in purity at the driving flood of ecstasy. Subconscious thoughts and feelings of my past incarnations shed their karmic taints, lustrously renewed by Sri Yukteswar's divine visit. In this chapter of my autobiography I have obeyed my guru's behest and spread the glad tiding, though it confound once more an incurious generation. Groveling, man knows well; despair is seldom alien; yet these are perversities, no part of man's true lot. The day he wills, he is set on the path to freedom. Too long has he hearkened to the dank pessimism of his "dust-thou-art" counselors, heedless of the unconquerable soul. I was not the only one privileged to behold the Resurrected Guru. One of Sri Yukteswar's chelas was an aged woman, affectionately known as Ma (Mother), whose home was close to the Puri hermitage. Master had often stopped to chat with her during his morning walk. On the evening of March 16, 1936, Ma arrived at the ashram and asked to see her guru. "Why, Master died a week ago!" Swami Sebananda, now in charge of the Puri hermitage, looked at her sadly. "That's impossible!" She smiled a little. "Perhaps you are just trying to protect the guru from insistent visitors?" "No." Sebananda recounted details of the burial. "Come," he said, "I will take you to the front garden to Sri Yukteswarji's grave." Ma shook her head. "There is no grave for him! This morning at ten o'clock he passed in his usual walk before my door! I talked to him for several minutes in the bright outdoors. "'Come this evening to the ashram,' he said. "I am here! Blessings pour on this old gray head! The deathless guru wanted me to understand in what transcendent body he had visited me this morning!" The astounded Sebananda knelt before her. "Ma," he said, "what a weight of grief you lift from my heart! He is risen!" In "Absolute Consciousness", Ramana notes: "For the jnani all three states are equally unreal, for the jnani the standard of reality is reality itself. This reality is pure consciousness, it is eternal by its nature and therefore subsists equally during what we call waking, dreaming, and sleeping. The jnani is established in Turiya, the supreme reality. This "Jagrat-Sushupti" is a state of full knowledge. In that state activity takes place automatically, in perfect order, since in that state the universe and not the body is the "I". That pure awareness, the Jagrat-Sushupti state, shines ever as the light within, as the Heart." LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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