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Concsiousness........unaware of itself.........

 

 

 

Consciousness becomes aware of itself....

 

 

 

Self-consciousness or I-amness appears....

 

 

 

The self becomes an image....an overlay constructed of concepts.

 

 

The self-image becomes a false identity based on accumulated concepts.

 

The self-identity appears to itself to be separate from other selves.

 

Fear is logical if separation is believed.

 

The world is filtered through the image of self.

 

The world becomes a mirror to the self.

 

The world becomes the self.

 

 

(I know that these are only concepts.........but I need some

input...................I'm lost out here on the edge....of these ideas......)

 

 

 

 

Michael

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, "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote:

> Concsiousness........unaware of itself.........

>

>

>

> Consciousness becomes aware of itself....

>

>

>

> Self-consciousness or I-amness appears....

>

>

>

> The self becomes an image....an overlay constructed of concepts.

>

>

> The self-image becomes a false identity based on accumulated concepts.

>

> The self-identity appears to itself to be separate from other selves.

>

> Fear is logical if separation is believed.

>

> The world is filtered through the image of self.

>

> The world becomes a mirror to the self.

>

> The world becomes the self.

>

>

> (I know that these are only concepts.........but I need some

input...................I'm

lost out here on the edge....of these ideas......)

>

>

>

> Emily Dickinson's "beyond the dip of bell" is where you are....I "think".

It's

either there or on a sitcom like Perfect Strangers. Larry's on the ledge and

Balkie is trying to talk him back in the window. Nah.....best to just stay

lost.

> Michael

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, "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote:

>....I need some input...................I'm lost out here on the

edge....of these ideas......)

 

 

 

 

Some wonder whether

life matters or not --

 

it matters in the same way

nothing matters

to the lover,

resting in the arms

of the Beloved,

spent from

a night of passion,

sleepily stunned

by dawn,

 

or in the way

nothing matters

to the single sparrow,

bolting through the golden noon,

aiming at the sun,

 

or in the way

nothing matters

to the mountain stream,

steeped in memories of snow,

melting into river.

 

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

 

Mazie & b

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, "skiplaurel" <vicki@b...> wrote:

> .....best to just stay lost.

 

 

All I'll ever need

to know of truth

floats serenely high

above me, wrapped in

the silence of a small white

cloud, vanishing into

the endlessness of blue.

 

 

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

Mazie & b

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, "mazie_l" <sraddha54@h...> wrote:

> , "skiplaurel" <vicki@b...> wrote:

>

> > .....best to just stay lost.

>

>

> All I'll ever need

> to know of truth

> floats serenely high

> above me, wrapped in

> the silence of a small white

> cloud, vanishing into

> the endlessness of blue.

>

>

>

>

> LoveAlways,

>

> Mazie & b

 

The Cloud of Unknowing, eh? How to let go when "we" are a holding

on? We

can't even know that :) Vicki, http://www.bobwoodyard.com

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Hi Michael,

 

You wrote:

>>> (I know that these are *only* concepts.........but I need some

input...................I'm lost out here on the edge....of these

ideas......) <<<

 

About "concepts" in itself...

 

Concepts have received quite a bit of bad press over the last 4 to 5 decades

in the "new agey" world of self realization.

 

So, just so that you know, Michael, there is nothing wrong with concepts per

se, as they are, so to say, wonderful but temporary mind gadgets that we may

construct or borrow and use to understand-and-accept as-yet-overwhelming or

as-yet-ill-understood realities. These realities are not alien from us, they

are innate to existence (sat): natural, divine and human as they pertain to

humankind. It is just that we were at some pint alienated from them, we got

de-natured so to speak, and these realities have been in hiding. A process

that happened to us over time from our moment of birth... How that

happened...? That is not so important right now, but I can get into that...

These temporary concepts, once we have re-immersed into these realities,

will fly out the door; when our reintegration occurs they will dissolve...

They are like catalysts: concepts do their work and then fly on to other

people for whom they may still be useful...

When we say that concepts are *only* concepts, they tend to stick to us,

hampering their own dissolution. When we see them for what they are, how

they were invented and constructed, how and when and by whom they were used

for instruction and for what purpose... then they come and go... until we

have arrived again... at our original point of departure... which is right

here, right now... and really no reason for any departure at all !

 

Wim

 

 

 

 

lastrainhome [lastrain]

Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:41 AM

After Eden

 

 

Concsiousness........unaware of itself.........

 

 

 

Consciousness becomes aware of itself....

 

 

 

Self-consciousness or I-amness appears....

 

 

 

The self becomes an image....an overlay constructed of concepts.

 

 

The self-image becomes a false identity based on accumulated concepts.

 

The self-identity appears to itself to be separate from other selves.

 

Fear is logical if separation is believed.

 

The world is filtered through the image of self.

 

The world becomes a mirror to the self.

 

The world becomes the self.

 

 

(I know that these are only concepts.........but I need some

input...................I'm lost out here on the edge....of these

ideas......)

 

 

 

 

Michael

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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Chiming in with Wim here.

 

There can't be *only* concepts! That's just a sublational teaching to help

loosen up attachment to believing that there are things that exist in

themselves. That's another way to say what Wim said by saying that they are

temporary mind-gadgets. To see that supposed things-in-themselves can't exist

apart from a conceptual component helps dissolve the attachment to things

existing as independent things. But it certainly doesn't mean that things

really *are* concepts! That's just another attachment.

 

And besides, it sounds like Michael is sort of just accepting that "only

concept" view on faith, like he still might be suspicious that there really

might be *things* out there!

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 01:30 PM 10/9/2002 -0700, Wim Borsboom wrote:

>Hi Michael,

>

>You wrote:

>>>> (I know that these are *only* concepts.........but I need some

>input...................I'm lost out here on the edge....of these

>ideas......) <<<

>

>About "concepts" in itself...

>

>Concepts have received quite a bit of bad press over the last 4 to 5 decades

>in the "new agey" world of self realization.

>

>So, just so that you know, Michael, there is nothing wrong with concepts per

>se, as they are, so to say, wonderful but temporary mind gadgets that we may

>construct or borrow and use to understand-and-accept as-yet-overwhelming or

>as-yet-ill-understood realities. These realities are not alien from us, they

>are innate to existence (sat): natural, divine and human as they pertain to

>humankind. It is just that we were at some pint alienated from them, we got

>de-natured so to speak, and these realities have been in hiding. A process

>that happened to us over time from our moment of birth... How that

>happened...? That is not so important right now, but I can get into that...

>These temporary concepts, once we have re-immersed into these realities,

>will fly out the door; when our reintegration occurs they will dissolve...

>They are like catalysts: concepts do their work and then fly on to other

>people for whom they may still be useful...

>When we say that concepts are *only* concepts, they tend to stick to us,

>hampering their own dissolution. When we see them for what they are, how

>they were invented and constructed, how and when and by whom they were used

>for instruction and for what purpose... then they come and go... until we

>have arrived again... at our original point of departure... which is right

>here, right now... and really no reason for any departure at all !

>

>Wim

>

>

>

>

>lastrainhome [lastrain]

>Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:41 AM

>

> After Eden

>

>

>Concsiousness........unaware of itself.........

>

>

>

>Consciousness becomes aware of itself....

>

>

>

>Self-consciousness or I-amness appears....

>

>

>

>The self becomes an image....an overlay constructed of concepts.

>

>

>The self-image becomes a false identity based on accumulated concepts.

>

>The self-identity appears to itself to be separate from other selves.

>

>Fear is logical if separation is believed.

>

>The world is filtered through the image of self.

>

>The world becomes a mirror to the self.

>

>The world becomes the self.

>

>

>(I know that these are only concepts.........but I need some

>input...................I'm lost out here on the edge....of these

>ideas......)

>

>

>

>

>Michael

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>/join

>

>

>

>

>

>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

>perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

>back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

>the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

>Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

>where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

>Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

>arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

>

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>

>

>/join

>

>

>

>

>

>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

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Sincere thanks to all who responded to my post "After Eden".

 

The questions remain but the questioner is wounded. :-)

 

When I read your posts, moments of clarity broke loose like a covey of

quail.......full if excitement......the mind runs behind hoping to capture and

hold one.

 

 

........but catches nothing but air currents.........and.....one small feather.

 

 

The feather is lovely........and I offer it to you.......silently........think

of quail....and smile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Love

 

Michael

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There can't be only can'ts. There must be some cans

--somewhere.

 

Wim, can (can't) you offer a linguistic basis for a

"can of worms" :-).

 

--- Gregory Goode <goode wrote:

> Chiming in with Wim here.

>

> There can't be *only* concepts!

 

=====

/join

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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