Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 When I was a child I started a concept collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I would carefully put a pin through its body and frame it with concepts that looked something like it............Now .....my walls are covered with colorful concepts............ Does anybody have a new concept for me? ............... Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are doing fine on your own Michael... But just in case..... Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept? , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > When I was a child I started a concept collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I would carefully put a pin through > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something like it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful concepts............ > > Does anybody have a new concept for me? > .............. > > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 , "harshaimtm" wrote: > I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are doing > fine on your own Michael... > > But just in case..... > > Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept? > > Oh my...........that's a new one for me. You hold it down and I'll put a pin in it. I know just where to hang it. Michael > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > > When I was a child I started a concept > collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I would > carefully put a pin through > > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something like > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful > concepts............ > > > > Does anybody have a new concept for me? > > .............. > > > > > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 on 10/21/02 5:01 AM, lastrainhome at lastrain wrote: > When I was a child I started a concept collection.............Whenever I > caught a concept.....I would carefully put a pin through > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something like > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful concepts............ > > Does anybody have a new concept for me? > .............. > > > Michael Yes...you are the wall....and....? Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Dear Michael Patanjali teaches something about the concept. It is characterized by position, category, and appearance. That is, respectively: context and heirarchy, relatedness to similars, and content. Inspecting each of these will throw a light into a dark corner sometimes. (Yoga Sutra III,53) Bobby , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > , "harshaimtm" wrote: > > I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are doing > > fine on your own Michael... > > > > But just in case..... > > > > Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept? > > > > > > Oh my...........that's a new one for me. > > You hold it down and I'll put a pin in it. > > I know just where to hang it. > > Michael > > > > > > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > > > When I was a child I started a concept > > collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I would > > carefully put a pin through > > > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something like > > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful > > concepts............ > > > > > > Does anybody have a new concept for me? > > > .............. > > > > > > > > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 >From Necklace of clear understanding. Arayadeva disciple of Nagarjuna: The seeds for the possible worlds are concepts the objects are their field of activity Adhidharmasamuccaya: What is the specific nature of conceptualization? It is to know by association. It is to see, hear, specify, and to know by way of taking up the defining characteristics and distinguishing them. Pancaskandhaprakarana: Mental events can be classified as fifty-one In the group of omnipresent mental events there are five 1. Feeling tone 2. Conceptualization 3 Directionality of mind 4 Rapport 5 Egocentric demanding Abhidharmakosa: The two aspects of conceptualization as the defining characteristics and propositions. Example of the former could be to establish individual colour design and the other to distinguish individual propositional form. This is a woman, this is a man. Conceptualization is sixfold according to the basis from which it operates, that is Those who start from the rapport that exists in the visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile and thought perception. It is again sixfold in view of its reference. 1 Conceptualization which has defining characteristics 2 Conceptualization which has not defining characteristics 3 Conceptualization which is limited 4 Conceptualization which is broader 5 Conceptualization which is infinite 6 Conceptualization which is nothing whatsoever The first is threefold. One in which one knows the coherence between names and things One which refers to the fact that everything composite is transistory One which clarifies this reference The second is also Threefold in view that it is opposite to the previous one Limited conceptualization refers to the ideas of those who are concerned only with the pleasures of this world and to all those ideas of the ordinary people who are in the world of desire and who have not reached the subject matter of meditation. The 'broader viewpoint' refers to the ideas found in those who are on the level of aestethetic perception and to the concepts referring to the aestethic world perception. The 'infinite viewpoint refers to those ideas that deal with an experience that is wide and open like the infinite sky and the experience of the limitless of the cognitive capacity. The sixth is the idea of an experience which one would objectify as nothing. - texasbg2000 Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:48 PM Re: The Collection Dear MichaelPatanjali teaches something about the concept. It is characterized by position, category, and appearance. That is, respectively: context and heirarchy, relatedness to similars, and content. Inspecting each of these will throw a light into a dark corner sometimes. (Yoga Sutra III,53)Bobby--- In , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote:> --- In , "harshaimtm" wrote:> > I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are doing > > fine on your own Michael...> > > > But just in case.....> > > > Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept?> > > > > > Oh my...........that's a new one for me.> > You hold it down and I'll put a pin in it.> > I know just where to hang it. > > Michael> > > > > > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote:> > > When I was a child I started a concept > > collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I would > > carefully put a pin through > > > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something like > > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful > > concepts............> > > > > > Does anybody have a new concept for me?> > > .............. > > > > > > > > > Michael/join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Dear Al Thanks for this. At some point i want to try to know more about these thoughts. I will look forward to more. Bobby G. , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote: > From Necklace of clear understanding. > > Arayadeva disciple of Nagarjuna: > The seeds for the possible worlds are concepts > the objects are their field of activity > > > Adhidharmasamuccaya: > What is the specific nature of conceptualization? > > It is to know by association. It is to see, hear, specify, and to know by way of taking up the defining characteristics and distinguishing them. > > Pancaskandhaprakarana: > > Mental events can be classified as fifty-one > > In the group of omnipresent mental events there are five > > 1. Feeling tone > 2. Conceptualization > 3 Directionality of mind > 4 Rapport > 5 Egocentric demanding > > Abhidharmakosa: > > The two aspects of conceptualization as the defining characteristics and propositions. > Example of the former could be to establish individual colour design and the other to distinguish individual propositional form. > This is a woman, this is a man. > Conceptualization is sixfold according to the basis from which it operates, that is > > Those who start from the rapport that exists in the visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile and thought perception. > > It is again sixfold in view of its reference. > > 1 Conceptualization which has defining characteristics > 2 Conceptualization which has not defining characteristics > 3 Conceptualization which is limited > 4 Conceptualization which is broader > 5 Conceptualization which is infinite > 6 Conceptualization which is nothing whatsoever > > The first is threefold. > > One in which one knows the coherence between names and things > One which refers to the fact that everything composite is transistory > One which clarifies this reference > > The second is also Threefold in view that it is opposite to the previous one > > Limited conceptualization refers to the ideas of those who are concerned only with the pleasures of this world and to all those ideas of the ordinary people who are in the world of desire and who have not reached the subject matter of meditation. > > The 'broader viewpoint' refers to the ideas found in those who are on the level of aestethetic perception and to the concepts referring to the aestethic world perception. > > The 'infinite viewpoint refers to those ideas that deal with an experience that is wide and open like the infinite sky and the experience of the limitless of the cognitive capacity. > > The sixth is the idea of an experience which one would objectify as nothing. > > > - > texasbg2000 > > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:48 PM > Re: The Collection > > > > > Dear Michael > > Patanjali teaches something about the concept. It is characterized > by position, category, and appearance. That is, respectively: > context and heirarchy, relatedness to similars, and content. > Inspecting each of these will throw a light into a dark corner > sometimes. (Yoga Sutra III,53) > > Bobby > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > > , "harshaimtm" wrote: > > > I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are > doing > > > fine on your own Michael... > > > > > > But just in case..... > > > > > > Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept? > > > > > > > > > > Oh my...........that's a new one for me. > > > > You hold it down and I'll put a pin in it. > > > > I know just where to hang it. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > > > > When I was a child I started a concept > > > collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I would > > > carefully put a pin through > > > > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something like > > > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful > > > concepts............ > > > > > > > > Does anybody have a new concept for me? > > > > .............. > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 This text is from The Neclace of Clear understanding: An Elucidation of the Working of Mind and Mental Events by Ye-shes rgyal-mtshan 1713 - 1793 this book together with The Psychological Attitude of Early Buddhist Philosophy: by Lama Anagarika Govinda, hold a very special place in my shelf. Maybe I should get my scanner working? Alan - texasbg2000 Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:29 PM Re: The Collection Dear Al Thanks for this. At some point i want to try to know more about these thoughts. I will look forward to more. Bobby G. , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote: > From Necklace of clear understanding. > > Arayadeva disciple of Nagarjuna: > The seeds for the possible worlds are concepts > the objects are their field of activity > > > Adhidharmasamuccaya: > What is the specific nature of conceptualization? > > It is to know by association. It is to see, hear, specify, and to know by way of taking up the defining characteristics and distinguishing them. > > Pancaskandhaprakarana: > > Mental events can be classified as fifty-one > > In the group of omnipresent mental events there are five > > 1. Feeling tone > 2. Conceptualization > 3 Directionality of mind > 4 Rapport > 5 Egocentric demanding > > Abhidharmakosa: > > The two aspects of conceptualization as the defining characteristics and propositions. > Example of the former could be to establish individual colour design and the other to distinguish individual propositional form. > This is a woman, this is a man. > Conceptualization is sixfold according to the basis from which it operates, that is > > Those who start from the rapport that exists in the visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile and thought perception. > > It is again sixfold in view of its reference. > > 1 Conceptualization which has defining characteristics > 2 Conceptualization which has not defining characteristics > 3 Conceptualization which is limited > 4 Conceptualization which is broader > 5 Conceptualization which is infinite > 6 Conceptualization which is nothing whatsoever > > The first is threefold. > > One in which one knows the coherence between names and things > One which refers to the fact that everything composite is transistory > One which clarifies this reference > > The second is also Threefold in view that it is opposite to the previous one > > Limited conceptualization refers to the ideas of those who are concerned only with the pleasures of this world and to all those ideas of the ordinary people who are in the world of desire and who have not reached the subject matter of meditation. > > The 'broader viewpoint' refers to the ideas found in those who are on the level of aestethetic perception and to the concepts referring to the aestethic world perception. > > The 'infinite viewpoint refers to those ideas that deal with an experience that is wide and open like the infinite sky and the experience of the limitless of the cognitive capacity. > > The sixth is the idea of an experience which one would objectify as nothing. > > > - > texasbg2000 > > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:48 PM > Re: The Collection > > > > > Dear Michael > > Patanjali teaches something about the concept. It is characterized > by position, category, and appearance. That is, respectively: > context and heirarchy, relatedness to similars, and content. > Inspecting each of these will throw a light into a dark corner > sometimes. (Yoga Sutra III,53) > > Bobby > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > > , "harshaimtm" wrote: > > > I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are > doing > > > fine on your own Michael... > > > > > > But just in case..... > > > > > > Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept? > > > > > > > > > > Oh my...........that's a new one for me. > > > > You hold it down and I'll put a pin in it. > > > > I know just where to hang it. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > > > > When I was a child I started a concept > > > collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I would > > > carefully put a pin through > > > > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something like > > > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful > > > concepts............ > > > > > > > > Does anybody have a new concept for me? > > > > .............. > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Terms of Service. /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Dear Al Thanks for this info. I looked on Amazon after the I read the first message but could not find "Necklace" there. I can see why you like it. I have been working on Patanjali for more than 20 years. I get great peace there. Noticing the categories of mental activity such as conceptualization has been a big help for me. What would the scanner be for? Are there diagrams? BKS Iyengar put a lot of diagrams in his translation of P. I have not bought a new book in a long time(Although a friend gave me a beautiful one. Thanks John L.) I'm looking forward to it. Bobby G. , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote: > > > This text is from The Neclace of Clear understanding: An Elucidation of the > Working of Mind and Mental Events > by Ye-shes rgyal-mtshan 1713 - 1793 > this book together with The Psychological Attitude of Early Buddhist > Philosophy: by Lama Anagarika Govinda, > hold a very special place in my shelf. > > Maybe I should get my scanner working? > > Alan > > - > texasbg2000 > > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:29 PM > Re: The Collection > > > Dear Al > > Thanks for this. At some point i want to try to know more about > these thoughts. I will look forward to more. > > Bobby G. > , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote: > > From Necklace of clear understanding. > > > > Arayadeva disciple of Nagarjuna: > > The seeds for the possible worlds are concepts > > the objects are their field of activity > > > > > > Adhidharmasamuccaya: > > What is the specific nature of conceptualization? > > > > It is to know by association. It is to see, hear, specify, and to > know by way of taking up the defining characteristics and > distinguishing them. > > > > Pancaskandhaprakarana: > > > > Mental events can be classified as fifty-one > > > > In the group of omnipresent mental events there are five > > > > 1. Feeling tone > > 2. Conceptualization > > 3 Directionality of mind > > 4 Rapport > > 5 Egocentric demanding > > > > Abhidharmakosa: > > > > The two aspects of conceptualization as the defining > characteristics and propositions. > > Example of the former could be to establish individual colour > design and the other to distinguish individual propositional form. > > This is a woman, this is a man. > > Conceptualization is sixfold according to the basis from which it > operates, that is > > > > Those who start from the rapport that exists in the visual, > auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile and thought perception. > > > > It is again sixfold in view of its reference. > > > > 1 Conceptualization which has defining characteristics > > 2 Conceptualization which has not defining characteristics > > 3 Conceptualization which is limited > > 4 Conceptualization which is broader > > 5 Conceptualization which is infinite > > 6 Conceptualization which is nothing whatsoever > > > > The first is threefold. > > > > One in which one knows the coherence between names and things > > One which refers to the fact that everything composite is > transistory > > One which clarifies this reference > > > > The second is also Threefold in view that it is opposite to the > previous one > > > > Limited conceptualization refers to the ideas of those who are > concerned only with the pleasures of this world and to all those > ideas of the ordinary people who are in the world of desire and who > have not reached the subject matter of meditation. > > > > The 'broader viewpoint' refers to the ideas found in those who > are on the level of aestethetic perception and to the concepts > referring to the aestethic world perception. > > > > The 'infinite viewpoint refers to those ideas that deal with an > experience that is wide and open like the infinite sky and the > experience of the limitless of the cognitive capacity. > > > > The sixth is the idea of an experience which one would objectify > as nothing. > > > > > > - > > texasbg2000 > > > > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:48 PM > > Re: The Collection > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michael > > > > Patanjali teaches something about the concept. It is > characterized > > by position, category, and appearance. That is, respectively: > > context and heirarchy, relatedness to similars, and content. > > Inspecting each of these will throw a light into a dark corner > > sometimes. (Yoga Sutra III,53) > > > > Bobby > > > > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote: > > > , "harshaimtm" wrote: > > > > I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are > > doing > > > > fine on your own Michael... > > > > > > > > But just in case..... > > > > > > > > Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh my...........that's a new one for me. > > > > > > You hold it down and I'll put a pin in it. > > > > > > I know just where to hang it. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> > wrote: > > > > > When I was a child I started a concept > > > > collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I > would > > > > carefully put a pin through > > > > > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something > like > > > > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful > > > > concepts............ > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody have a new concept for me? > > > > > .............. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist > in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising > are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness > are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is > always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know > the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee > relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from > within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Well, the scanner would be for scanning the book into a word file, html file or PDF document , as I dont know high speed touch typing. Alan - texasbg2000 Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:13 PM Re: The Collection Dear AlThanks for this info. I looked on Amazon after the I read the first message but could not find "Necklace" there. I can see why you like it. I have been working on Patanjali for more than 20 years. I get great peace there. Noticing the categories of mental activity such as conceptualization has been a big help for me. What would the scanner be for? Are there diagrams?BKS Iyengar put a lot of diagrams in his translation of P.I have not bought a new book in a long time(Although a friend gave me a beautiful one. Thanks John L.) I'm looking forward to it.Bobby G. , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote:> > > This text is from The Neclace of Clear understanding: An Elucidation of the> Working of Mind and Mental Events> by Ye-shes rgyal-mtshan 1713 - 1793> this book together with The Psychological Attitude of Early Buddhist> Philosophy: by Lama Anagarika Govinda,> hold a very special place in my shelf.> > Maybe I should get my scanner working?> > Alan> > ----- Original Message -----> texasbg2000> > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:29 PM> Re: The Collection> > > Dear Al> > Thanks for this. At some point i want to try to know more about> these thoughts. I will look forward to more.> > Bobby G.> , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote:> > From Necklace of clear understanding.> >> > Arayadeva disciple of Nagarjuna:> > The seeds for the possible worlds are concepts> > the objects are their field of activity> >> >> > Adhidharmasamuccaya:> > What is the specific nature of conceptualization?> >> > It is to know by association. It is to see, hear, specify, and to> know by way of taking up the defining characteristics and> distinguishing them.> >> > Pancaskandhaprakarana:> >> > Mental events can be classified as fifty-one> >> > In the group of omnipresent mental events there are five> >> > 1. Feeling tone> > 2. Conceptualization> > 3 Directionality of mind> > 4 Rapport> > 5 Egocentric demanding> >> > Abhidharmakosa:> >> > The two aspects of conceptualization as the defining> characteristics and propositions.> > Example of the former could be to establish individual colour> design and the other to distinguish individual propositional form.> > This is a woman, this is a man.> > Conceptualization is sixfold according to the basis from which it> operates, that is> >> > Those who start from the rapport that exists in the visual,> auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile and thought perception.> >> > It is again sixfold in view of its reference.> >> > 1 Conceptualization which has defining characteristics> > 2 Conceptualization which has not defining characteristics> > 3 Conceptualization which is limited> > 4 Conceptualization which is broader> > 5 Conceptualization which is infinite> > 6 Conceptualization which is nothing whatsoever> >> > The first is threefold.> >> > One in which one knows the coherence between names and things> > One which refers to the fact that everything composite is> transistory> > One which clarifies this reference> >> > The second is also Threefold in view that it is opposite to the> previous one> >> > Limited conceptualization refers to the ideas of those who are> concerned only with the pleasures of this world and to all those> ideas of the ordinary people who are in the world of desire and who> have not reached the subject matter of meditation.> >> > The 'broader viewpoint' refers to the ideas found in those who> are on the level of aestethetic perception and to the concepts> referring to the aestethic world perception.> >> > The 'infinite viewpoint refers to those ideas that deal with an> experience that is wide and open like the infinite sky and the> experience of the limitless of the cognitive capacity.> >> > The sixth is the idea of an experience which one would objectify> as nothing.> >> >> > -> > texasbg2000> > > > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:48 PM> > Re: The Collection> >> >> >> >> > Dear Michael> >> > Patanjali teaches something about the concept. It is> characterized> > by position, category, and appearance. That is, respectively:> > context and heirarchy, relatedness to similars, and content.> > Inspecting each of these will throw a light into a dark corner> > sometimes. (Yoga Sutra III,53)> >> > Bobby> >> >> > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> wrote:> > > --- In , "harshaimtm" wrote:> > > > I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are> > doing> > > > fine on your own Michael...> > > >> > > > But just in case.....> > > >> > > > Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept?> > > >> > > >> > >> > > Oh my...........that's a new one for me.> > >> > > You hold it down and I'll put a pin in it.> > >> > > I know just where to hang it. > > >> > > Michael> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...>> wrote:> > > > > When I was a child I started a concept> > > > collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I> would> > > > carefully put a pin through> > > > > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something> like> > > > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful> > > > concepts............> > > > >> > > > > Does anybody have a new concept for me?> > > > > ...............> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Michael> >> >> > Sponsor> > > >> >> >> >> >> > /join> >> > > >> > > >> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,> sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist> in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising> are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness> are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is> always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know> the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee> relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from> within into It Self. Welcome all to a.> >> >> >> > Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of> Service.> > > Sponsor> > > > > > > /join> > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside> back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than> the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.> Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal> Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously> arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.> > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service./join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Thanks Al i did not realize scanners could do that. Such is my ignorance. I'm glad I asked. Bobby G. , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote: > Well, the scanner would be for scanning the book into a word file, html file or PDF document , as I dont know high speed touch typing. > > > Alan > - > texasbg2000 > > Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:13 PM > Re: The Collection > > > Dear Al > > Thanks for this info. I looked on Amazon after the I read the first > message but could not find "Necklace" there. I can see why you like > it. I have been working on Patanjali for more than 20 years. I get > great peace there. Noticing the categories of mental activity such as > conceptualization has been a big help for me. > > What would the scanner be for? Are there diagrams? > BKS Iyengar put a lot of diagrams in his translation of P. > > I have not bought a new book in a long time(Although a friend gave me > a beautiful one. Thanks John L.) I'm looking forward to it. > > Bobby G. > > > > , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote: > > > > > > This text is from The Neclace of Clear understanding: An > Elucidation of the > > Working of Mind and Mental Events > > by Ye-shes rgyal-mtshan 1713 - 1793 > > this book together with The Psychological Attitude of Early Buddhist > > Philosophy: by Lama Anagarika Govinda, > > hold a very special place in my shelf. > > > > Maybe I should get my scanner working? > > > > Alan > > > > - > > texasbg2000 > > > > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:29 PM > > Re: The Collection > > > > > > Dear Al > > > > Thanks for this. At some point i want to try to know more about > > these thoughts. I will look forward to more. > > > > Bobby G. > > , "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote: > > > From Necklace of clear understanding. > > > > > > Arayadeva disciple of Nagarjuna: > > > The seeds for the possible worlds are concepts > > > the objects are their field of activity > > > > > > > > > Adhidharmasamuccaya: > > > What is the specific nature of conceptualization? > > > > > > It is to know by association. It is to see, hear, specify, and > to > > know by way of taking up the defining characteristics and > > distinguishing them. > > > > > > Pancaskandhaprakarana: > > > > > > Mental events can be classified as fifty-one > > > > > > In the group of omnipresent mental events there are five > > > > > > 1. Feeling tone > > > 2. Conceptualization > > > 3 Directionality of mind > > > 4 Rapport > > > 5 Egocentric demanding > > > > > > Abhidharmakosa: > > > > > > The two aspects of conceptualization as the defining > > characteristics and propositions. > > > Example of the former could be to establish individual colour > > design and the other to distinguish individual propositional form. > > > This is a woman, this is a man. > > > Conceptualization is sixfold according to the basis from which > it > > operates, that is > > > > > > Those who start from the rapport that exists in the visual, > > auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile and thought perception. > > > > > > It is again sixfold in view of its reference. > > > > > > 1 Conceptualization which has defining characteristics > > > 2 Conceptualization which has not defining characteristics > > > 3 Conceptualization which is limited > > > 4 Conceptualization which is broader > > > 5 Conceptualization which is infinite > > > 6 Conceptualization which is nothing whatsoever > > > > > > The first is threefold. > > > > > > One in which one knows the coherence between names and things > > > One which refers to the fact that everything composite is > > transistory > > > One which clarifies this reference > > > > > > The second is also Threefold in view that it is opposite to the > > previous one > > > > > > Limited conceptualization refers to the ideas of those who are > > concerned only with the pleasures of this world and to all those > > ideas of the ordinary people who are in the world of desire and who > > have not reached the subject matter of meditation. > > > > > > The 'broader viewpoint' refers to the ideas found in those who > > are on the level of aestethetic perception and to the concepts > > referring to the aestethic world perception. > > > > > > The 'infinite viewpoint refers to those ideas that deal with an > > experience that is wide and open like the infinite sky and the > > experience of the limitless of the cognitive capacity. > > > > > > The sixth is the idea of an experience which one would objectify > > as nothing. > > > > > > > > > - > > > texasbg2000 > > > > > > Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:48 PM > > > Re: The Collection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michael > > > > > > Patanjali teaches something about the concept. It is > > characterized > > > by position, category, and appearance. That is, respectively: > > > context and heirarchy, relatedness to similars, and content. > > > Inspecting each of these will throw a light into a dark corner > > > sometimes. (Yoga Sutra III,53) > > > > > > Bobby > > > > > > > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> > wrote: > > > > , "harshaimtm" wrote: > > > > > I don't have any new concepts for you. It seems like you are > > > doing > > > > > fine on your own Michael... > > > > > > > > > > But just in case..... > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever inquired about the concept of a concept? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh my...........that's a new one for me. > > > > > > > > You hold it down and I'll put a pin in it. > > > > > > > > I know just where to hang it. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lastrainhome" <lastrain@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > When I was a child I started a concept > > > > > collection.............Whenever I caught a concept.....I > > would > > > > > carefully put a pin through > > > > > > its body and frame it with concepts that looked something > > like > > > > > it............Now ....my walls are covered with colorful > > > > > concepts............ > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody have a new concept for me? > > > > > > .............. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist > > in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising > > are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness > > are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but > is > > always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know > > the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee > > relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from > > within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside > > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than > > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. > > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. > Home is > > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of > Eternal > > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously > > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. 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