Jan/ possibilities/ProfessorVK

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, "ecirada" <ecirada@m...> wrote:

>

> On 11/8/02 at 8:58 PM harshaimtm wrote:

>

> ºDear Jan,

> º

> ºAs a devotee of the Sage of Arunachala, the term Self-Realization

> ºappears the most relevant to me and my experience as well. The

term

> ºliberation can mean many things and so I seldom use it.

>

> Whatever the term Self-realization means, it is "explanation after".

> I know the term too and also that the Self doesn't realize one iota

> by its very definition: that makes the term an oxymoron which

doesn't

> matter "after" but needlessly confuses "before".

> º

> ºFrom a practical Yoga-Advaita perspective, Self is Recognized in

two

> ºways.

>

> º

> º1. Mind is stilled, the Shakti rises to the Sahasarara and then

> ºmerges in the Spiritual Heart. For this to happen, tendencies are

> ºsuspended by Grace. This is Nirvikalpa Samadhi and usually comes

> ºafter long years of spiritual practice having undergone other

types

> ºof Savikalpa Samadhis and various experiences. For a spiritually

> ºmature mind, the nature of Self perpetually Reveals It Self as the

> ºSelf as ever new. Nirvikalpa Samadhi simply makes obvious That

which

> ºis already there in all its beauty already.

>

> Certainly not so from the Patanjali "Aphorisms on Yoga": no Shakti

> rising is mentioned nor chakras.

>

> º

> º2. The second way is when the mind merges in the Heart and the

> ºtendencies are fully destroyed. This is rare as shown in the case

of

> ºSri RAmana. Here terms such as Self-Realization and liberation

have

> ºlittle meaning.

>

> All tendencies destroyed means the tendency to feel pain destroyed

too.

> Clearly that was not the case. Would like and dislike qualify for

tendencies

> also? That too remained till physical departure.

>

> º

> ºSelf Is the Self. It Knows It Self By It Self and Through It Self.

It

> ºis the Seeker and the Sought and the process is contained in IT.

> ºMethod given by the Guru, practiced truly, is Known as the Goal

that

> ºis ever-existent.

>

> The Absolute has no properties by definition (nirguna)

> That makes further statements superfluous/confusing.

>

> º

> ºSri Ramana used to say that a true devotee with complete faith in

his

> ºGuru lives like a prince in this world. Having given up one's

being

> ºto the Lord of the Heart, who is the One Guru, what else can one

do?

>

> Apparently memory isn't functioning as good as you wrote:

> --

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> Tim, by the way, I love you and have no grudges against you at all.

I

> recalled that post of yours from long time ago simply because I

have

> a good memory and enjoyed it much. I mean who doesn't enjoy being

> called a fraud now and then. It is so refreshing!

> --

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> Remember Tony's story on what happened with his complete faith in

> his Guru? And he showed his experience is far from singular.

> As these kind of experiences continue to happen, the quote now

> is a generalization that lost validity at least 70 years ago and for

> some now could hurt.

>

> Peace,

> Jan

>

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Good one Jan! :-).

 

Love,

Harsha