Guest guest Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Sorry, I don't accept your premise. If I say it is true that there is one way, then that one way may be one of a million one ways that are true. Consider the simple geometric statement. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. But there may be an infinite number of straight lines connecting those two points all parallel and interpenetrating the same space, each unique and individual. Given that there are approximately 6 billion people on planet earth, that means that there are approximately 6 billion "ways", each the perfect "one way" for that person. You see, God is not limited; God can and does establish the best "one way" to connect the personal and the divine in the most direct possible fashion. God is characterized as being omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniactive -- or it is not God. The infinity and eternality of the Divine dissolves boundaries in limited human thinking and opinion. The Divine Logic is what governs truth, not human attempts to limit the Ultimate Truth with limited logic which doesn't take into account the nature of reality, which is multi-dimensional at the least in a spiritual sense. The Creator created a perfect path suited for each living being in the Creation and that is the "one way" that is best for that individual. The Divine Being, the Father, draws all and though an individual may wander and stray, the Father, like the Good Shepherd is always seeking the lost sheep. So the "one way" for each one is the Father's Way and not humanity's definition nor is it the theologian's way. Yeshua said he came to save all, and that all doesn't leave anyone out no matter how far from the truth they are. The Christos is the Anointing and it is through the Christos that all are drawn onto their way -- thus it is the Father which does the anointing and not any "man whose breath is in his nostrils". Thus your definition of "one way" and your logic is merely a human attempt to draw others into "your" version of the truth and the one way. But, my friend, there are many more dimensions to the truth than you can conceive of. Touch eternity and you will see that clearly. If you depend for your thinking upon someone else's words then you do not have the whole picture. Through your bible and your quotations away and encounter God directly. If you do, you won't need the book! You will always be standing in a Holy Presence. Consider the lilies of the field.... John L. , "gradyll <gradyll>" <gradyll> wrote: > all truth is narrow > > If it isn't in the narrow corrodor of truthfullness it is false > > for instance if I say it is true that there is one way, > > then it is either true or wrong > > If it is true then all other ways are wrong > > Correct? > > IF it is not true then it would be a false statement > > But if there is only one way to heaven then that means there are not > 2 or 3 or even 4 ways, nor does it mean there are less than one way, > > it is one way > > This is either true or false, > > if you believe it is false then you totally reject all forms of true > christianity as well, and Jesus Christ > > Read John chapter ten, you'll see > > If you say it is true then you are in the minority, > > LEss than one percent of San Fransisco is Christian, > > Dare to be different > > Think for yourself, don't be the product of a darkened society > > be free! > > JESUS is freedom!!\ > > John 14:6 > > > get saved? > > How? > > A > B > C simple > > A-admit you are a sinner, meaning you have stolen minute things, > lied once or twice, had lust in your heart, been angry at traffic, > anything that violated the ten commandments misses the mark- this is > sin, and we must first admit that we are imperfect, this is what a > sinner means. Also knowing that we can never be accepted by our > good efforts because God doesn't grade on a curve, either we are > perfect or dead, no grey area, no buffer, we must be perfect or be > christian, this is what admit means, I am a sinner God and I can't > get to heaven by myself, HELP!!! > > B- Believe He died on the Cross for your imperfections > and rose from the dead miraculously > > C- Commit your life to Him in a one time invitation in your heart > > Profoundly simple > > But simply profound > > God bless you as you study this out.... > > grayd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 Dear John: I think this is an excellent response to a difficult attitude of restriction. But I really don't think Grady reads the responses to his posts. He received several before and did not respond to my memory. Bobby G. , "John Logan <johnrloganis>" <johnrloganis> wrote: > Sorry, I don't accept your premise. > If I say it is true that there is one way, then that one way may be > one of a million one ways that are true. > > Consider the simple geometric statement. The shortest distance > between two points is a straight line. But there may be an infinite > number of straight lines connecting those two points all parallel and > interpenetrating the same space, each unique and individual. > > Given that there are approximately 6 billion people on planet earth, > that means that there are approximately 6 billion "ways", each the > perfect "one way" for that person. > > You see, God is not limited; God can and does establish the best "one > way" to connect the personal and the divine in the most direct > possible fashion. > > God is characterized as being omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, > and omniactive -- or it is not God. The infinity and eternality of > the Divine dissolves boundaries in limited human thinking and > opinion. The Divine Logic is what governs truth, not human attempts > to limit the Ultimate Truth with limited logic which doesn't take > into account the nature of reality, which is multi-dimensional at the > least in a spiritual sense. > > The Creator created a perfect path suited for each living being in > the Creation and that is the "one way" that is best for that > individual. The Divine Being, the Father, draws all and though an > individual may wander and stray, the Father, like the Good Shepherd > is always seeking the lost sheep. So the "one way" for each one is > the Father's Way and not humanity's definition nor is it the > theologian's way. > > Yeshua said he came to save all, and that all doesn't leave anyone > out no matter how far from the truth they are. The Christos is the > Anointing and it is through the Christos that all are drawn onto > their way -- thus it is the Father which does the anointing and not > any "man whose breath is in his nostrils". > > Thus your definition of "one way" and your logic is merely a human > attempt to draw others into "your" version of the truth and the one > way. But, my friend, there are many more dimensions to the truth than > you can conceive of. Touch eternity and you will see that clearly. > > If you depend for your thinking upon someone else's words then you do > not have the whole picture. Through your bible and your quotations > away and encounter God directly. If you do, you won't need the book! > You will always be standing in a Holy Presence. > > Consider the lilies of the field.... > > John L. > > , "gradyll <gradyll>" > <gradyll> wrote: > > all truth is narrow > > > > If it isn't in the narrow corrodor of truthfullness it is false > > > > for instance if I say it is true that there is one way, > > > > then it is either true or wrong > > > > If it is true then all other ways are wrong > > > > Correct? > > > > IF it is not true then it would be a false statement > > > > But if there is only one way to heaven then that means there are > not > > 2 or 3 or even 4 ways, nor does it mean there are less than one way, > > > > it is one way > > > > This is either true or false, > > > > if you believe it is false then you totally reject all forms of > true > > christianity as well, and Jesus Christ > > > > Read John chapter ten, you'll see > > > > If you say it is true then you are in the minority, > > > > LEss than one percent of San Fransisco is Christian, > > > > Dare to be different > > > > Think for yourself, don't be the product of a darkened society > > > > be free! > > > > JESUS is freedom!!\ > > > > John 14:6 > > > > > > get saved? > > > > How? > > > > A > > B > > C simple > > > > A-admit you are a sinner, meaning you have stolen minute things, > > lied once or twice, had lust in your heart, been angry at traffic, > > anything that violated the ten commandments misses the mark- this > is > > sin, and we must first admit that we are imperfect, this is what a > > sinner means. Also knowing that we can never be accepted by our > > good efforts because God doesn't grade on a curve, either we are > > perfect or dead, no grey area, no buffer, we must be perfect or be > > christian, this is what admit means, I am a sinner God and I can't > > get to heaven by myself, HELP!!! > > > > B- Believe He died on the Cross for your imperfections > > and rose from the dead miraculously > > > > C- Commit your life to Him in a one time invitation in your heart > > > > Profoundly simple > > > > But simply profound > > > > God bless you as you study this out.... > > > > grayd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 Thank you John as always for your wisdom and profound understanding. It is not wasted on us. Lots of love Harsha , "John Logan <johnrloganis>" <johnrloganis> wrote: > Sorry, I don't accept your premise. > If I say it is true that there is one way, then that one way may be > one of a million one ways that are true. > > Consider the simple geometric statement. The shortest distance > between two points is a straight line. But there may be an infinite > number of straight lines connecting those two points all parallel and > interpenetrating the same space, each unique and individual. > > Given that there are approximately 6 billion people on planet earth, > that means that there are approximately 6 billion "ways", each the > perfect "one way" for that person. > > You see, God is not limited; God can and does establish the best "one > way" to connect the personal and the divine in the most direct > possible fashion. > > God is characterized as being omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, > and omniactive -- or it is not God. The infinity and eternality of > the Divine dissolves boundaries in limited human thinking and > opinion. The Divine Logic is what governs truth, not human attempts > to limit the Ultimate Truth with limited logic which doesn't take > into account the nature of reality, which is multi-dimensional at the > least in a spiritual sense. > > The Creator created a perfect path suited for each living being in > the Creation and that is the "one way" that is best for that > individual. The Divine Being, the Father, draws all and though an > individual may wander and stray, the Father, like the Good Shepherd > is always seeking the lost sheep. So the "one way" for each one is > the Father's Way and not humanity's definition nor is it the > theologian's way. > > Yeshua said he came to save all, and that all doesn't leave anyone > out no matter how far from the truth they are. The Christos is the > Anointing and it is through the Christos that all are drawn onto > their way -- thus it is the Father which does the anointing and not > any "man whose breath is in his nostrils". > > Thus your definition of "one way" and your logic is merely a human > attempt to draw others into "your" version of the truth and the one > way. But, my friend, there are many more dimensions to the truth than > you can conceive of. Touch eternity and you will see that clearly. > > If you depend for your thinking upon someone else's words then you do > not have the whole picture. Through your bible and your quotations > away and encounter God directly. If you do, you won't need the book! > You will always be standing in a Holy Presence. > > Consider the lilies of the field.... > > John L. > > , "gradyll <gradyll>" > <gradyll> wrote: > > all truth is narrow > > > > If it isn't in the narrow corrodor of truthfullness it is false > > > > for instance if I say it is true that there is one way, > > > > then it is either true or wrong > > > > If it is true then all other ways are wrong > > > > Correct? > > > > IF it is not true then it would be a false statement > > > > But if there is only one way to heaven then that means there are > not > > 2 or 3 or even 4 ways, nor does it mean there are less than one way, > > > > it is one way > > > > This is either true or false, > > > > if you believe it is false then you totally reject all forms of > true > > christianity as well, and Jesus Christ > > > > Read John chapter ten, you'll see > > > > If you say it is true then you are in the minority, > > > > LEss than one percent of San Fransisco is Christian, > > > > Dare to be different > > > > Think for yourself, don't be the product of a darkened society > > > > be free! > > > > JESUS is freedom!!\ > > > > John 14:6 > > > > > > get saved? > > > > How? > > > > A > > B > > C simple > > > > A-admit you are a sinner, meaning you have stolen minute things, > > lied once or twice, had lust in your heart, been angry at traffic, > > anything that violated the ten commandments misses the mark- this > is > > sin, and we must first admit that we are imperfect, this is what a > > sinner means. Also knowing that we can never be accepted by our > > good efforts because God doesn't grade on a curve, either we are > > perfect or dead, no grey area, no buffer, we must be perfect or be > > christian, this is what admit means, I am a sinner God and I can't > > get to heaven by myself, HELP!!! > > > > B- Believe He died on the Cross for your imperfections > > and rose from the dead miraculously > > > > C- Commit your life to Him in a one time invitation in your heart > > > > Profoundly simple > > > > But simply profound > > > > God bless you as you study this out.... > > > > grayd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 Hi Bob, That "no response" is typical of an "in the box" Christian... or a Troll. But the spirit moved me... John L. , "texasbg2000 <Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > Dear John: > > I think this is an excellent response to a difficult attitude of > restriction. But I really don't think Grady reads the responses to > his posts. He received several before and did not respond to my > memory. > > Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 profoundly simple and simply profound meaning, in order to get into a starbucks we need go through the door don't we? The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, but your forgetting that the door to heaven CAN be narrow. it doesn't necessarily mean that it is broad as you say, each person going to heaven from each of their unique states. God views all men on one point, and heaven on one point. so in this situation we all need to take that path, which is straight and narrow. this too is not in violation to geometry, Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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