Harsha, John L, Grady and Bible.

[Guest guest]

Namaste All,

 

This is an extract from a book I helped write. It may contribute to

the dialogue between John L and Grady. It is at least food for

thought....Saktidass/By Tony O'Clery.

Copyrights@4/2002

 

 

 

>A Pharaoh by the name of Amenhotep IV, 1367-1361 BCE. decided to

reform the degraded Egyptian religion and institute monotheism. As

the 'Aspects' of God were being treated as separate Gods by the

population. So he instituted the worship of Aten-Ra, which means Sun

or Light, to represent the 'One God'. He also changed his name to

Akhenaten. Aten in Hebrew would be Adon, as in Adonai

( Lord). His wife was Nefertiti and his son, or perhaps younger

brother?, was Twtankhamen or originally Twtankhaten.

 

This new religion became unpopular with the various sects of

priests, especially the followers of Amen/Amon, and the population

was turned against this Pharaoh. As a result Akhenaten was expelled

along with his followers, and a new exodus commenced. In Egyptian the

deposed Pharaoh was called 'Moses/Mosis', by his followers, which

means 'rightful heir', in Egyptian.

 

In the Egyptian writings:

Akhenaten had a priesthood in Egypt, the Levites.

Meryre II was the High Priest of Aten, at Armana.

Panehesy was the Chief Servitor of Aten .

 

In the Bible:

Moses had a son of Levi, Merari, Gen: 46:11.

Phinehas was the son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron, EX:6:25. The

Talmud calls him Pinhas. It is obvious we are dealing with one set of

people but with different linguistic representations of their names!

 

Psalm 108 and Hymns to Aten are almost the same, and there is much

more evidence in Egypt at Karnak and elsewhere to indicate that the

Bible is based on Egyptian events and people.

 

After much wanderings and the death of Mosis at the hand of the

Egyptians, ( Seti 1?), these Israelites settled in Canaan. A school

of prophets was set up at Mt Carmel, that known by Samuel, Elijah and

Elisha. This was the basis for the sect known as 'The Essenes'.

They later still had their spiritual centre in Egypt, for Akhenaten

or Moses had founded the 'Mystery Schools', and initiation took place

in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid. According to Cayce both

Jesus and John the Baptist took their final degrees in this way.

That is they became, took the priesthood at Heliopolis.

 

Now, most Hebrew continuity was broken up, by the Babylonian conquest

and captivity. During the captivity 'The Bible', was created by the

now Jewish as opposed to Hebrew Priests. This was a work of rewriting

and reworking existing texts, with much contradiction and out of

sequence chronology. For example, the time spent in Egypt, by the

Hebrews, is represented in the Talmud as 210 years, by Exodus 12:40

as 430 years, and later as four generations Gen: 15: 13, 16.

 

For their own reasons, the priests deleted all references to the

Pharaohs of Egypt, by name, especially Mosis or Akhenaten. I feel

this was done so the work couldn't be associated with Egypt and be

dated properly. For the Bible is very meticulous in naming wells and

such, why not important pharaohs? So a reworked type of history was

given to the Jews on their return to Palestine. This is the Bible we

have today and cannot be used as an absolute history at all. The

first five books were represented as being written by Moses even down

to the description of his own death, and are the basis of the Jewish

Pentateuch.

 

However the school of the prophets at Mt Carmel still existed and so

did the Essenes who were the direct descendants and inheritors of

Moses, and the Melchizadek Priesthood.

This is why at the time of Jesus there were three groups in

Palestine, the Pharisees or Judaics, the Sadducees and the Essenes. <

[Guest guest]

, "saktidasa <saktidasa>"

<saktidasa> wrote:

>

>

> Namaste All,

>

> This is an extract from a book I helped write. It may contribute to

> the dialogue between John L and Grady. It is at least food for

> thought....Saktidass/> By Tony O'Clery.

> Copyrights@4/2002

>

>

>

>

> >A Pharaoh by the name of Amenhotep IV, 1367-1361 BCE. decided to

> reform the degraded Egyptian religion and institute monotheism. As

> the 'Aspects' of God were being treated as separate Gods by the

> population. So he instituted the worship of Aten-Ra, which means

Sun

> or Light, to represent the 'One God'. He also changed his name to

> Akhenaten. Aten in Hebrew would be Adon, as in Adonai

> ( Lord). His wife was Nefertiti and his son, or perhaps younger

> brother?, was Twtankhamen or originally Twtankhaten.

>

> This new religion became unpopular with the various sects of

> priests, especially the followers of Amen/Amon, and the population

> was turned against this Pharaoh. As a result Akhenaten was

expelled

> along with his followers, and a new exodus commenced. In Egyptian

the

> deposed Pharaoh was called 'Moses/Mosis', by his followers, which

> means 'rightful heir', in Egyptian.

>

> In the Egyptian writings:

> Akhenaten had a priesthood in Egypt, the Levites.

> Meryre II was the High Priest of Aten, at Armana.

> Panehesy was the Chief Servitor of Aten .

>

> In the Bible:

> Moses had a son of Levi, Merari, Gen: 46:11.

> Phinehas was the son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron, EX:6:25. The

> Talmud calls him Pinhas. It is obvious we are dealing with one set

of

> people but with different linguistic representations of their names!

>

> Psalm 108 and Hymns to Aten are almost the same, and there is much

> more evidence in Egypt at Karnak and elsewhere to indicate that the

> Bible is based on Egyptian events and people.

>

> After much wanderings and the death of Mosis at the hand of the

> Egyptians, ( Seti 1?), these Israelites settled in Canaan. A

school

> of prophets was set up at Mt Carmel, that known by Samuel, Elijah

and

> Elisha. This was the basis for the sect known as 'The Essenes'.

> They later still had their spiritual centre in Egypt, for Akhenaten

> or Moses had founded the 'Mystery Schools', and initiation took

place

> in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid. According to Cayce both

> Jesus and John the Baptist took their final degrees in this way.

> That is they became, took the priesthood at Heliopolis.

>

> Now, most Hebrew continuity was broken up, by the Babylonian

conquest

> and captivity. During the captivity 'The Bible', was created by the

> now Jewish as opposed to Hebrew Priests. This was a work of

rewriting

> and reworking existing texts, with much contradiction and out of

> sequence chronology. For example, the time spent in Egypt, by the

> Hebrews, is represented in the Talmud as 210 years, by Exodus 12:40

> as 430 years, and later as four generations Gen: 15: 13, 16.

>

> For their own reasons, the priests deleted all references to the

> Pharaohs of Egypt, by name, especially Mosis or Akhenaten. I feel

> this was done so the work couldn't be associated with Egypt and be

> dated properly. For the Bible is very meticulous in naming wells

and

> such, why not important pharaohs? So a reworked type of history was

> given to the Jews on their return to Palestine. This is the Bible

we

> have today and cannot be used as an absolute history at all. The

> first five books were represented as being written by Moses even

down

> to the description of his own death, and are the basis of the

Jewish

> Pentateuch.

>

> However the school of the prophets at Mt Carmel still existed and

so

> did the Essenes who were the direct descendants and inheritors of

> Moses, and the Melchizadek Priesthood.

> This is why at the time of Jesus there were three groups in

> Palestine, the Pharisees or Judaics, the Sadducees and the Essenes.

<

 

Namaste.

 

Further to all this many books of the New Testament were left out of

the canon, such as the Book of Enoch which wasn't discovered again

until the 1700s in Ethiopia. The Councils of Nicea etc, gave Jesus

the 'Only Son of God', title to consolidate power in the Roman

Empire. Theodara, Constantine's wife had most understood references

to reincarnation/resurrection deleted from the texts. Mystics like

Origen were excommunicated etc. This was the end of the gnostic

church and the start of the Roman Empire Church. So Christianity

survived some 300 odd years in its original form-----

Essenic....ONS...Om Sakti.....Saktidass/Tony.

[Guest guest]

Greetings Tony (?) or Saktidasa,

 

Thank you for the contribution. I have seen similar information and

feel that it is most valuable for getting at the real history of

Judaism and Christianity. There is clearly confusion in the sources,

and it is amazing that as much good comes out of the Bible we have

today as does. Unfortunately the misinterpretations and

misinformation has really created a lot of problems for the

development of the "faith".

 

John L.

 

, "saktidasa <saktidasa>"

<saktidasa> wrote:

> , "saktidasa <saktidasa>"

> <saktidasa> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste All,

> >

> > This is an extract from a book I helped write. It may contribute

to

> > the dialogue between John L and Grady. It is at least food for

> > thought....Saktidass/> > By Tony O'Clery.

> > Copyrights@4/2002

[Guest guest]

yes Saktidass this was a good bit of info. It reminds me of Moses

and Monotheism by Sig. Freud. I am a big Freud fan. I have done

portraits of lots of psychologists and it seems everyone wants to

debunk him but I think he is an interesting read.

 

Bobby G.

 

 

, "John Logan

<johnrloganis>" <johnrloganis> wrote:

> Greetings Tony (?) or Saktidasa,

>

> Thank you for the contribution. I have seen similar information and

> feel that it is most valuable for getting at the real history of

> Judaism and Christianity. There is clearly confusion in the

sources,

> and it is amazing that as much good comes out of the Bible we have

> today as does. Unfortunately the misinterpretations and

> misinformation has really created a lot of problems for the

> development of the "faith".

>

> John L.

>

> , "saktidasa <saktidasa>"

> <saktidasa> wrote:

> > , "saktidasa

<saktidasa>"

> > <saktidasa> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste All,

> > >

> > > This is an extract from a book I helped write. It may

contribute

> to

> > > the dialogue between John L and Grady. It is at least food for

> > > thought....Saktidass/> > > By Tony O'Clery.

> > > Copyrights@4/2002

[Guest guest]

, "John Logan

<johnrloganis>" <johnrloganis> wrote:

> Greetings Tony (?) or Saktidasa,

>

> Thank you for the contribution. I have seen similar information and

> feel that it is most valuable for getting at the real history of

> Judaism and Christianity. There is clearly confusion in the

sources,

> and it is amazing that as much good comes out of the Bible we have

> today as does. Unfortunately the misinterpretations and

> misinformation has really created a lot of problems for the

> development of the "faith".

>

> John L.

 

Namaste,

 

Yes I am Tony but I feel that I am Saktidass also.

 

I have heard that Freud said he thought Moses was Akhenaten also. I

checked Edgar Cayce and found this was one of Cayce's revelations as

well, or something similar.

 

I actually got on to this path by researching the Palestine Problem

etc etc., lets not get into that. I researched a lot of stuff and

could see how dangerous it is to rely on spiritual somewhat exoteric

texts as a history book.

 

If texts were always faithful there would be no need for incarnations

and new teachers from time to time, in order to repeat the truths

again and again.

 

Unfortunately it seems the only control we actually have over

anything is our attitude to it, or how we handle things

mentally.karmically...........Om Sakti.....Saktidass/Tony.

[Guest guest]

This sound egyptian in nature though I haven't read it

all, do you know the egyptians had similiar views to

the garden of eden (man/ woman/ fruit/ garden/ fall)

as the hebrews, but

 

my oppinion is that several counterfeights of the

original garden of eden story made there way throught

the dinasties..

 

what ya think?

 

 

--- "saktidasa <saktidasa"

<saktidasa wrote:

>

>

> Namaste All,

>

> This is an extract from a book I helped write. It

> may contribute to

> the dialogue between John L and Grady. It is at

> least food for

> thought....Saktidass/> By Tony O'Clery.

> Copyrights@4/2002

>

>

>

>

> >A Pharaoh by the name of Amenhotep IV, 1367-1361

> BCE. decided to

> reform the degraded Egyptian religion and institute

> monotheism. As

> the 'Aspects' of God were being treated as separate

> Gods by the

> population. So he instituted the worship of

> Aten-Ra, which means Sun

> or Light, to represent the 'One God'. He also

> changed his name to

> Akhenaten. Aten in Hebrew would be Adon, as in

> Adonai

> ( Lord). His wife was Nefertiti and his son, or

> perhaps younger

> brother?, was Twtankhamen or originally Twtankhaten.

>

> This new religion became unpopular with the various

> sects of

> priests, especially the followers of Amen/Amon, and

> the population

> was turned against this Pharaoh. As a result

> Akhenaten was expelled

> along with his followers, and a new exodus

> commenced. In Egyptian the

> deposed Pharaoh was called 'Moses/Mosis', by his

> followers, which

> means 'rightful heir', in Egyptian.

>

> In the Egyptian writings:

> Akhenaten had a priesthood in Egypt, the Levites.

> Meryre II was the High Priest of Aten, at Armana.

> Panehesy was the Chief Servitor of Aten .

>

> In the Bible:

> Moses had a son of Levi, Merari, Gen: 46:11.

> Phinehas was the son of Eleazar and grandson of

> Aaron, EX:6:25. The

> Talmud calls him Pinhas. It is obvious we are

> dealing with one set of

> people but with different linguistic representations

> of their names!

>

> Psalm 108 and Hymns to Aten are almost the same, and

> there is much

> more evidence in Egypt at Karnak and elsewhere to

> indicate that the

> Bible is based on Egyptian events and people.

>

> After much wanderings and the death of Mosis at the

> hand of the

> Egyptians, ( Seti 1?), these Israelites settled in

> Canaan. A school

> of prophets was set up at Mt Carmel, that known by

> Samuel, Elijah and

> Elisha. This was the basis for the sect known as

> 'The Essenes'.

> They later still had their spiritual centre in

> Egypt, for Akhenaten

> or Moses had founded the 'Mystery Schools', and

> initiation took place

> in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid. According

> to Cayce both

> Jesus and John the Baptist took their final degrees

> in this way.

> That is they became, took the priesthood at

> Heliopolis.

>

> Now, most Hebrew continuity was broken up, by the

> Babylonian conquest

> and captivity. During the captivity 'The Bible', was

> created by the

> now Jewish as opposed to Hebrew Priests. This was a

> work of rewriting

> and reworking existing texts, with much

> contradiction and out of

> sequence chronology. For example, the time spent in

> Egypt, by the

> Hebrews, is represented in the Talmud as 210 years,

> by Exodus 12:40

> as 430 years, and later as four generations Gen: 15:

> 13, 16.

>

> For their own reasons, the priests deleted all

> references to the

> Pharaohs of Egypt, by name, especially Mosis or

> Akhenaten. I feel

> this was done so the work couldn't be associated

> with Egypt and be

> dated properly. For the Bible is very meticulous in

> naming wells and

> such, why not important pharaohs? So a reworked type

> of history was

> given to the Jews on their return to Palestine. This

> is the Bible we

> have today and cannot be used as an absolute history

> at all. The

> first five books were represented as being written

> by Moses even down

> to the description of his own death, and are the

> basis of the Jewish

> Pentateuch.

>

> However the school of the prophets at Mt Carmel

> still existed and so

> did the Essenes who were the direct descendants and

> inheritors of

> Moses, and the Melchizadek Priesthood.

> This is why at the time of Jesus there were three

> groups in

> Palestine, the Pharisees or Judaics, the Sadducees

> and the Essenes. <

>

>

 

 

 

 

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