Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Title it: Samadhi, Ecstasy and the Great Calm >From Conscious Immortality The final obstacle to meditation is ecstasy; when you feel great bliss and happiness, the tendency is to stay in that ecstasy. Do not yield to this but pass onto the sixth stage, which is great calm. The calm is higher than ecstasy and it merges into samadhi. Successful samadhi causes a waking sleep state to encompass you, when you are always Consciousness, for Consciousness is your nature. Hence a person is always in samadhi, only they do not know it. All one has to do it to remove the obstacles I have just mentioned. Q: Are there thoughts in samadhi or not? M: There will only be the feeling `I am' and no other thoughts. Q: Isn't `I am' a thought? M: The egoless `I am' is not a thought. It is realization. Mental quietude is easier to attain, and comes sooner, but the ultimate goal is mental destruction. Most paths lead to metal quietness, whereas Self-enquiry gets there quickly and leads on to the destruction of mind. Find where the mind takes its rise, or who is mentally quiet, and you will succeed. Q: Is there a difference between internal and external samadhi? M: Yes, there is. External samadhi is stillness while witnessing the world, without reacting to it from within. It is like a still sea, while the internal samadhi is like a steady flame. Sahaja samadhi is the identity of the flame with the ocean. Savikalpa Samadhi explained: External: The mind jumps from one object to another. Keep it fixed on the Reality behind these objects. Internal: The mind is afflicted by desire, lust, anger etc. See where they arise from and how they have their being. Hold onto their source. External: These are the external phenomena which are said to have their origin from the single Reality. Search for it and hold onto it. Merge in the one Reality underlying all phenomena and remain unaware of transitory manifestations. Internal: These are modes of thought which rise up from the reality within and manifest themselves. Hold onto that Reality. Merge in the inmost being which is the one Reality that gives rise to all thought etc, and remain unaware of anything else. External; This state is compared to a waveless ocean whose waters are still and placid. Internal: This state is compared to a flame that burns quiet and steady, unaffected by any breeze. Eternal: All these four kinds of savikalpa samadhi are accompanied by effort. Internal: When both these kinds of nirvikalpa samadhi are effortless and it is realized that the waveless ocean of external samadhi and the steady flame of internal samadhi are identical, the state is said to be sahaja samadhi. Q: Does one lose body-consciousness in samadhi? If so, how can there be any difference? M: What is body-consciousness? Analyze it. There must be a body and consciousness limited to it, which together make up the body-consciousness. These must lie in another consciousness which is absolute and unaffected. Hold onto it. That is samadhi. It exists when there is no body-consciousness because it transcends the latter, but it also exists when there is body-consciousness. So it is always there. What does it matter whether the body is lost or retained? When lost, it is internal samadhi, when retained, it is external samadhi. That is all. Q: But the mind does not sink into samadhi even for a second! M: Strong convictions that `I am the Self' is necessary, transcending mind and phenomena. Q: Nevertheless, the mind proves to be a cork at attempt to sink it. M: What does it matter if the mind is active? I t is only active on the substratum of the Self. Hold onto the Self even during mental activity. Q: Do you go into nirvikalpa samadhi? M: (Speaking generally) If the eyes are closed, it is nirvikalpa; if open, it is savikapa. (Both these are temporary states.) The ever-present and ultimate state is the natural one, i.e. sahaja. Q: I maintain that the physical body of a person immersed in samadhi as a result of unbroken contemplation of the Self, need not become motionless. It may be active or inactive. Others assert that physical movement definitely prevents nirvikalpa samadhi, or unbroken contemplation. What is your opinion? M: Both of you are right- your are referring to sahaja nirvikalpa and the other to kevala nirvikalpa. In the case of kevala the mind lies immersed in the light of the Self. The subject discriminates one for the other, and then there is activity. Movement of the body, of the sight, of the vital force, of the mind, and the perception of objects and activity are obstructions for him. But in sahaja, the mind has resolved into the Self and has been lost. So the differences and obstruction that I mentioned before do not exist here. The activities of such a being are like the feeding of a sleepy child-- perceptible to the onlooker but not to the subject. The driver sleeping in his moving (bullock) cart is not aware of the motion of the cart because his mind has sunk in darkness. Similarly the sahaja jnani remains unaware of his bodily activities because his mind is dead, having been resolved in the ecstasy of chitananda (Self). {Two words `contemplation' and samadhi' have been used loosely in the question., Contemplation is a forced mental process whereas samadhi lies beyond effort.) 1: Sleep: Mind alive. Nirvikalpa samadhi: Mind alive. Sahaja samadhi: Mind dead. 2. Sleep: Sunk in oblivion. Nirvakalpa : Sunk in light. Sahaja: Resolved into the the Self. 3. No entries for Sleep. Nirvakalpa: Like a bucket with the rope left lying in the water in a well. Sahaja: Like a river discharged into the ocean and its identity lost. 4. Not entries for Sleep. Nirvakalpa: To be drawn out by the other end of the rope. Sahaja samadhi: A river cannot be redirected from the ocean. Ananda is the bliss of not being disturbed by any mental activity or characteristics. There is a temporary bliss and a permanent one. The former state is called kevala samadhi, the latter is sahaja arising from the cessation of mental activity and the disappearance of outside objects. But after a while his bliss ceases as mental activities begin and there is no samadhi for some time. In sahaja, however there is no relapse into mental activity and no consequent loss of bliss. The happiness is unbroken and ever enduring. The body, senses and mind may be operative, but the person is hardly conscious of the acts of the body. Q: It is said that one remaining in nirvikalpa samadhi for 21 days must necessarily give up the physical body. M: Samadhi means passing beyond. Non-identification of the body with the Self is a foregone conclusion. There are said to be people who have been immersed in nirvikalpa samadhi for a thousand years or more. i. Holding onto Reality is samadhi ii. Holding onto Reality with effort is savikalpa samadhi. iii. Merging into Reality and remaining unaware of the world is nirvikalpa samadhi. iv. Merging in ignorance and remaining unaware of the world is sleep - the head bows but not in samadhi. v. Remaining in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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