Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 Hi, This discussion of Patanjali was initiated due to the post of Joyce. Since the comments began there has been no response from Joyce. I am wondering where she is at with this - or has she gone on to other things? Relative to this passages Bob is presenting. There is something deeper about these "fluctuations". Where do they occur? In space? In time? How long do they persist? Since everything is changing, nothing is permanent, therefore not real in the sense of being permanent, do not these "fluctuations" create the vibrations which make it appear as if there is a continuity of something which might be called a "self"? So when one lets go of the fluctuations, as it were, what is left? Nameste, John L. , "texasbg2000 <Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > To Continue: > > The thing about the fluctuations is that they occur in real time. > They are thoughts. If I am fearful, then I am remembering something > I am convinced is scary. It is just a thought. If I have a > realization about myself or a fantasy it does not transport me to > that place where it is real. I have to have the thought "me" and put > me in that place. It all changes in an instant if the telephone > rings. > > If we know the thoughts pass why would we give such supremecy over > our lives to them. > > I.12 The restriction of these fluctuations is achieved through > practice and dispassion. > ---Patanjali tells us that the stopping of the fluctuations is > possible. > > I.13. Practice is the exertion in gaining stability in that state of > restriction. > ---Seeing a thought is easy enough sometimes, but to remain stable > and see each thought as it arises is called practice. > Anyone practicing meditation for very long is aware of the thoughts > that arise. Seeing each thought without it turning into a chain that > distracts from the meditative focus and continuing in that alert > state is the aim of, as far as I know, all meditation. With the > stopping of thought other discriptions of the experience than > meditation are more precise. Patanjali of course describes them in > great detail in later sutra. > > I.15 Dispassion is the knowledge of mastery of that yogin who is > without thirst for seen i.e. earthly and revealed objects. > > Or as D'Andrade translates > I.15. Purity of Heart is the consciousness of mastery > Over the thirst for things of this world, > And the thirst for promised enjoyment > Here or hereafter, on earth or in heaven. > I.16. Perfected purity of heart is gained > When one masters the thirst > For the Play of Qualities > And abides in the awareness > Of the Infinite Self. > > Love > Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Hi, This discussion of Patanjali was initiated due to the post of Joyce. Since the comments began there has been no response from Joyce. I am wondering where she is at with this - or has she gone on to other things? Hi John, JoyceS. Still here and many thanks for all the posts! With all these "Joyces" posting, I haven't felt any need to - John: Since everything is changing, nothing is permanent, therefore not real in the sense of being permanent, do not these "fluctuations" create the vibrations which make it appear as if there is a continuity of something which might be called a "self"? So when one lets go of the fluctuations, as it were, what is left? J: I'm currently looking at all the mental constructions coming and going. Can't find any words for "what's left" - smile. Nameste, JoyceS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 , "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote: > > > Hi, > This discussion of Patanjali was initiated due to the post of Joyce. > Since the comments began there has been no response from Joyce. I am > wondering where she is at with this - or has she gone on to other > things? > > Hi John, > > JoyceS. Still here and many thanks for all the posts! With all these > "Joyces" posting, I haven't felt any need to - > > John: Since everything is changing, nothing is permanent, therefore not > real in the sense of being permanent, do not these "fluctuations" > create the vibrations which make it appear as if there is a > continuity of something which might be called a "self"? > > So when one lets go of the fluctuations, as it were, what is left? > > J: I'm currently looking at all the mental constructions coming and going. > Can't find any words for "what's left" - smile. Hello JoyceS - And about that 'smile' you included here? "The world loved man when he smiled. The world became afraid of him when he laughed." ~ Rabindranath Tagore ~ >From "Stray Birds" 1916 love, joyces > > Nameste, > > JoyceS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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