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on 1/13/03 1:57 PM, ecirada at ecirada wrote:

whatever is practiced to calm down the chattering

> mind is always

> a subset of "giving up the will to live & enjoy".

 

I don't feel ...I guess the "the will to" is the thing. It's not something I

can or can't do ( I already find myself alive, I haven't accomplished it!

....the relaxation of the need to survive, the relaxation of the fear of

death, the IDENTIFICATION WITH THE BODY-MIND is the problem...Get outta

here!

 

Shawn

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On 1/13/03 at 2:37 PM shawn wrote:

on 1/13/03 1:57 PM, ecirada at ecirada (AT) mad (DOT) scientist.com

wrote:whatever is practiced to calm down the chattering> mind is

always > a subset of "giving up the will to live & enjoy".I don't

feel ...I guess the "the will to" is the thing. It's not something

Ican or can't do ( I already find myself alive, I haven't

accomplished it!....the relaxation of the need to survive, the

relaxation of the fear ofdeath, the IDENTIFICATION WITH THE BODY-MIND

is the problem...Get outtahere!Shawn

Summarizing what i wrote, any action is but a response,

giving up isn't an exception to that.

There isn't an entity, so what is to identify with what?

I can remember diet & celibacy threads at NDS and the

whirl of responses it brought. Clinging to fleeting

pleasures is a subset of what i call "will to live and enjoy",

biochemically it's in the class of endorphines: addicting

unless the "hardware" is modified - termed "transformation"

in some texts. A so called "post enlightenment" issue.

Jan

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