Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Q: If 'I' am always here and now, why don't I feel it? M: That's the point! Who says that it is not felt? Does the real 'I' say it or the false 'I' Examine it. You will find it is the wrong 'I'. The wrong 'I' is the obstruction. It has to be removed in order that the true 'I' might not be hidden. The feeling, 'I have not realized,' is the obstruction to realization. In fact, you are already realized; there is nothing to realize. If there were, it would have to be something new, not existing so far, that would occur sometimes in the future. What has birth will also die. If realization were not eternal it would not be worth having. Therefore, what we seek is not that which must happen afresh. It is only that which is eternal which is not known due to obstructions; that is what we seek. Ignorance is identical with the 'I'-thought. Find its source and it will vanish. The 'I'-thought is like a spirit which is not palpable, and it rises us simultaneously with the body, flourishes on it and disappears with it. The body-consciousness is the wrong 'I', Give it up! This is done by seeking the source of the 'I' The body does not say 'I am'. It is you who says, 'I am the body.' Find out who this 'I' is . Seeking the source , it will vanish. A snip from Conscious Immortality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 >M: If realization were not eternal it would not be worth having. Hmmmm.. This says only the eternal is worth having. The chance strawberry on the cliff is not. It places no value on living, because living is *all* transitory. Living would not exist if it didn't have value. Birth and death are also eternal things. They are part of all that is, all that happens. The strawberry on the cliff is not eternal but it has a value that is in the now. It's value has limits, but it has value. (()), Bob Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 On 1/18/03 at 6:13 AM Robert Lippert wrote: >M: If realization were not eternal it would not be worth having. Hmmmm..This says only the eternal is worth having. The chance strawberry on the cliff is not.It places no value on living,because living is *all* transitory. Hi Bob, What it shows too, is that without a context, quotes are of no use. Apart from that, what can be had, can be lost, and what can't be had nor lost, can't bother. Living would not exist if it didn't have value.Birth and death are also eternal things.They are part of all that is, all that happens.The strawberry on the cliff is not eternalbut it has a value that is in the now.It's value has limits, but it has value.(()), Bob Life isn't affected by values attributed to it. Elementary particles and compound structures have a common property, responsiveness, in different shades of complexity. This responsiveness could be termed "conscious of ... ". That suggests there's "something" (or no-thing) that could be termed "consciousness without content", the unnameable noumenon. What i wrote to a friend some time ago applies too: It's a pity, humans are so unaware of nature, despite being inseparable from it. Every single cell is a little factory, it functions well, even knows when to shut down (self-death) when it would become a danger to surrounding cells. A cell can also be seen as a little robot, uses energy or generates it with chemical reactions, is equipped with memory, has sensors so it "knows" when to respond. All notions, whether on love, compassion, beauty, health or relativity, none of that could arise without cells. Knowledge of nature and living up to that means happiness, ignorance of it, suffering, like the growing list of "dreaded" diseases shows.. btw, no cultivated strawberries, regarding taste, can compete with wild strawberries - yum! Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 , "ecirada" <ecirada@m...> wrote: > On 1/18/03 at 6:13 AM Robert Lippert wrote: > >M: If realization were not eternal > it would not be worth having. > > Hmmmm.. > This says only the eternal is worth having. > The chance strawberry on the cliff is not. > It places no value on living, > because living is *all* transitory. > Hi Bob, > What it shows too, is that without a context, quotes are of no use. > Apart from that, what can be had, can be lost, and what can't > be had nor lost, can't bother. > > > Living would not exist if it didn't have value. > Birth and death are also eternal things. > They are part of all that is, all that happens. > The strawberry on the cliff is not eternal > but it has a value that is in the now. > It's value has limits, but it has value. > > (()), Bob > > > Life isn't affected by values attributed to it. > Elementary particles and compound structures > have a common property, responsiveness, in > different shades of complexity. This responsiveness > could be termed "conscious of ... ". That suggests > there's "something" (or no-thing) that could be termed > "consciousness without content", the unnameable noumenon. > > What i wrote to a friend some time ago applies too: > > > > > It's a pity, humans are so unaware of nature, despite being inseparable from it. > Every single cell is a little factory, it functions well, even knows when to shut > down (self-death) when it would become a danger to surrounding cells. A cell > can also be seen as a little robot, uses energy or generates it with chemical > reactions, is equipped with memory, has sensors so it "knows" when to respond. > All notions, whether on love, compassion, beauty, health or relativity, none of > that could arise without cells. Knowledge of nature and living up to that means > happiness, ignorance of it, suffering, like the growing list of "dreaded" diseases > shows.. > > btw, no cultivated strawberries, regarding taste, can compete with wild strawberries - yum! Hello Jan - Yes, indeed. Who can forget the succulent 'free range' strawberries? Peace, joyce PS - Oh, btw, agree with the more important things said above, too. > > Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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