Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 And further furthermore In the immortal words of David Cassidy: I think I love you! XO, X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Interesting to note that when this alignment of consciousness & physical paralysis occurs to me I always sense some foreign presence... Usually in the form of an intruder breaking into the physical space I am sleeping at. Dear David, Fascinating gadget! ) Krishnamurti often mentions this presence in his *Krishnamurti's Notebook.* He writes: "That presence which ...was there, waiting patiently, benignly, with great tenderness. It was like the lightening on a dark night but it was there, penetrating, blissful." and later: "...woke up in the middle of the night, with the otherness in the room. It was there with great intensity, not only filling the room and beyond but it was there deep down within the brain, so profoundly that it seemed to go through and beyond all thought, space and time." p. 114 What I have found especially interesting is that what seems to be the same phenomena of otherness and catalepsy can be felt by different people as either immensely terrifying or unbelievably ecstatic and blissful. This experience sucks even more so because of the fact I am literally physically paralyzed (thanks to the 'genius' of evolutional hard-wiring). Is it frightening because you feel out of control? This lovely experience happens regularly to me once or twice a month. It happens to me virtually nightly. Amazing stuff. Almost always blissful, but sometimes there are moments of fear. Is it the same experience, I wonder? I know I am not unusual with regard to having these types of experiences. Over time I actually figured out what is going on. The question, though, is what put god in the human brain in the first place. Or is it that we are all made of god stuff. And why is it pure pleasure to one and terror to another? And sometimes both ) <snip> One of the more interesting things he found while poking people's brains (electromagnectically) is that there is a region in all of our brains that when stimulated elicits an experience that there is an 'other' present in the room. <snip> Furthermore, I must inform you at this point that all people poked electromagnetically with this amazing brain helmet in the particular region of our brain that makes us respond to and experience some imaginary presence of an 'other' are also flooded with a sense of fear. This I find very curious. It is frightening to say the least. But not to some of us. Why I wonder. Is it a different section of the brain that is activated? or is it how we translate the experience. Love, Hillary I have my own personal theory regarding this hard-wired button in all of our heads. It has to do with duality and the essential need an organism in a dualistic environment must possess in order to survive. And further furthermore I will somehow tie this intuition of mine into my regular dream experiences of dreaming my physical environment in a state of paralysis while some 'other' is breaking into my house as I struggle but can not move. And further, further "On waking this morning, there was that strange immobility of the body and of the brain; with it came a movement of entering into unfathomable depths of intensity and of great bliss and there was that otherness." p. 58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Druout (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Dear David, Fascinating gadget! ) Yeah, should give the video game companies a run for their money. What I have found especially interesting is that what seems to be the same phenomena of otherness and catalepsy can be felt by different people as either immensely terrifying or unbelievably ecstatic and blissful. I don't doubt that. Is it frightening because you feel out of control? The paralysis intersecting with consciousness in and of itself is not so frightening. It's the fact that I dream an intruder is breaking into the house while not being able to move. It happens to me virtually nightly. Amazing stuff. Almost always blissful, but sometimes there are moments of fear. Is it the same experience, I wonder? Same neuro-conscious phenomena, yes. The question, though, is what put god in the human brain in the first place. We could start a list on just that topic. Regardless what anyone feels inclined to say in response to that query one should realizefirst that whatever one's response is, it will always be a myth. (which is fine as all personal/transpersonal experience is a type of myth) Or is it that we are all made of god stuff. I'd say stuffing with croutons. And why is it pure pleasure to one and terror to another? Somehow I sense you already know the answer to that one. It has to do with our reaction to it. And sometimes both ) Fear/pleasure. Same difference. all people poked electromagnetically with this amazing brain helmet in the particular region of our brain that makes us respond to and experience some imaginary presence of an 'other' are also flooded with a sense of fear. This I find very curious. I'd imagine some subjects could experience it as blissful. You seem like a likely candidate. But not to some of us. Why I wonder. Is it a different section of the brain that is activated? or is it how we translate the experience. I'm not lucid when it happens to me so I really believe there's an intruder and I can't move. Were I lucid I sense it could be experienced as blissful. I thought about that before. I suppose one could train oneself to be ready for it and to recognize the state as such in waking life by using similar techniques used to lucid dream. I lucid dream regularly but it's never fearful by virtue of the fact that I'm *lucid*. As a child I always sensed a presence when I was alone. I used to think it was spirits and I'd encounter them in the eyes open/body paralyzed state. When I experienced spontaneous unitive conscious at 21 it became clear It is just who I am. Thanx for asking, David "On waking this morning, there was that strange immobility of the body and of the brain; with it came a movement of entering into unfathomable depths of intensity and of great bliss and there was that otherness." p. 58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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