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Hi:

 

I wonder if any of the great minds on this list can help me with

something I have wondered about.

 

Why does the moon appear the same size as the sun and why are both

the same size as the earth?

 

The moon is just the right distance from earth to be the same size as

the sun. Any farther away and we would see it as a spot on the sun

during eclipses and any closer and it would cover the sun longer.

 

And during new moon the earth's shadow exactly covers the moon and no

more.

 

This just seems like a strange coincidence, does any one have a guess

why?

 

 

Bobby G.

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Hello Bobby,

 

I love your questions...

 

Some say that it was put there by the gods so we can be alerted if the

sun ever wanted to go Nova on us.

 

Most probably it underlines the greater harmonics at work in this world.

 

Most certainly it makes one wonder of the beauty of this world.

 

"My liberty

Its you who helped me to let go of my moorings

To go anywhere

To go all the way

Along the builded path

To pick while dreaming

A wind rose

On a moon ray" (Moustaki)

 

Antoine

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Hi Antoine:

 

It is good to hear from you!

 

Yes the greater harmonics would be the answer. It seems evidence of

great order. I don't know what good a warning about a supernova would

be.

 

A wind rose on a mooon ray seems real somehow. It would be nice to

see some more photos.

 

Thank you

Love

Bobby G.

 

 

 

 

, Antoine Carré

<antoine.carre@s...> wrote:

> Hello Bobby,

>

> I love your questions...

>

> Some say that it was put there by the gods so we can be alerted if

the sun ever wanted to go Nova on us.

>

> Most probably it underlines the greater harmonics at work in this

world.

>

> Most certainly it makes one wonder of the beauty of this world.

>

> "My liberty

> Its you who helped me to let go of my moorings

> To go anywhere

> To go all the way

> Along the builded path

> To pick while dreaming

> A wind rose

> On a moon ray" (Moustaki)

>

> Antoine

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Does the earths shadow exactly cover te moon?

In my search I found an interesting photo from a solar eclipse showing

circles of sunshine through a tree.

-

">texasbg2000 <Bigbobgraham (AT) aol (DOT) com>

Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:54 AM

Re: The Sun, The Moon, and The Earth

Hi Antoine:It is good to hear from you! Yes the greater harmonics

would be the answer. It seems evidence of great order. I don't know

what good a warning about a supernova would be.A wind rose on a mooon

ray seems real somehow. It would be nice to see some more

photos.Thank youLove Bobby G.,

Antoine Carré <antoine.carre@s...> wrote:> Hello Bobby,> > I love

your questions...> > Some say that it was put there by the gods so we

can be alerted if the sun ever wanted to go Nova on us.> > Most

probably it underlines the greater harmonics at work in this world.>

> Most certainly it makes one wonder of the beauty of this world.> >

"My liberty> Its you who helped me to let go of my moorings> To go

anywhere> To go all the way> Along the builded path> To pick while

dreaming> A wind rose> On a moon ray" (Moustaki)> >

Antoine/join

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Does the earths shadow exactly cover the moon?

In my search I found an interesting photo from a solar eclipse showing

circles of sunshine through a tree.

-

">texasbg2000 <Bigbobgraham (AT) aol (DOT) com>

Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:54 AM

Re: The Sun, The Moon, and The Earth

Hi Antoine:It is good to hear from you! Yes the greater harmonics

would be the answer. It seems evidence of great order. I don't know

what good a warning about a supernova would be.A wind rose on a mooon

ray seems real somehow. It would be nice to see some more

photos.Thank youLove Bobby G.,

Antoine Carré <antoine.carre@s...> wrote:> Hello Bobby,> > I love

your questions...> > Some say that it was put there by the gods so we

can be alerted if the sun ever wanted to go Nova on us.> > Most

probably it underlines the greater harmonics at work in this world.>

> Most certainly it makes one wonder of the beauty of this world.> >

"My liberty> Its you who helped me to let go of my moorings> To go

anywhere> To go all the way> Along the builded path> To pick while

dreaming> A wind rose> On a moon ray" (Moustaki)> >

Antoine/join

The Heart is

the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject

to the

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Hi Al:

 

That is a pretty strange photo.

You can see the sun's corona (not the beer)in an eclipse but the moon

pretty much fits right over it I believe.

 

Maybe the earth's shadow is bigger a little than the moon but I have

watched the stages over the weeks and they look the same same to me.

God is messin with us.

Bobby G.

 

, "Al Larus" <alarus@o...> wrote:

> Does the earths shadow exactly cover te moon?

> In my search I found an interesting photo from a solar eclipse

showing circles of sunshine through a tree.

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> texasbg2000 <Bigbobgraham@a...>

>

> Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:54 AM

> Re: The Sun, The Moon, and The Earth

>

>

> Hi Antoine:

>

> It is good to hear from you!

>

> Yes the greater harmonics would be the answer. It seems evidence

of

> great order. I don't know what good a warning about a supernova

would

> be.

>

> A wind rose on a mooon ray seems real somehow. It would be nice

to

> see some more photos.

>

> Thank you

> Love

> Bobby G.

>

>

>

>

> , Antoine Carré

> <antoine.carre@s...> wrote:

> > Hello Bobby,

> >

> > I love your questions...

> >

> > Some say that it was put there by the gods so we can be alerted

if

> the sun ever wanted to go Nova on us.

> >

> > Most probably it underlines the greater harmonics at work in

this

> world.

> >

> > Most certainly it makes one wonder of the beauty of this world.

> >

> > "My liberty

> > Its you who helped me to let go of my moorings

> > To go anywhere

> > To go all the way

> > Along the builded path

> > To pick while dreaming

> > A wind rose

> > On a moon ray" (Moustaki)

> >

> > Antoine

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart.

>

> Terms of

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Dear Bobby,

 

Ah, I love these 'coincidences" too. Scientifically, there is no

valid answer to such why questions - just a how, having to do with

distances and sizes determining gravitational orbits, but you

already know that. Its like asking why are we here at all.

 

Visually, the moon does appear to change size, appearing larger when

nearer the horizon, plus its orbit is more elliptical than circular.

 

To me, such mysterious harmonies are adequately explained as the

music of the spheres. The so called explanations simply fill me with

even more wonder than the question did instead of explaining it.

with the slightest deviation from the way all is arranged, and life

would be impossible. Yet that is so because life has arisen only in

perfect adaptation to just such conditions.

 

Possibly we could live without a moon, or with a different size

moon, and the tides would be almost non-existent or something. Isn't

there a plausible speculation that life began in tidal pools? It is

all so connected that without the moon being just how it is, there

might be no life to notice its size. I don't think anyone can

explain why life is so beautiful. I've never gotten past being

totally amazed to be here at all - it is astonishing, right down to

the smallest microbe, that life exists at all.

 

Love,

Gloria

 

, "texasbg2000

<Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:

> Hi:

>

> I wonder if any of the great minds on this list can help me with

> something I have wondered about.

>

> Why does the moon appear the same size as the sun and why are both

> the same size as the earth?

>

> The moon is just the right distance from earth to be the same size

as

> the sun. Any farther away and we would see it as a spot on the

sun

> during eclipses and any closer and it would cover the sun longer.

>

> And during new moon the earth's shadow exactly covers the moon and

no

> more.

>

> This just seems like a strange coincidence, does any one have a

guess

> why?

>

>

> Bobby G.

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Hi Bobby and Gloria,

 

 

I have found the information at this site and the ones linked to

it helpful...

 

http://www.solargeometry.com/index.htm

 

I feel that there is much more to the Golden Mean (Phi) than

even these folks have suspected.

 

I feel that it is the *definition* of the structure of life -

that the field called the 'golden mean' is *the* realm between

extremes where the 'average' of extreme energies manifest - form is

emptyness emptyness is form - the formation can only occur in only

*one* certain 'field' - outside of this field there is chaos.

 

This is why there are all these co-incidents - they are not

co-incidents - they are the *only way* that the manifestation can

occur and so naturally it reflects the 'order' called the 'Golden

Mean'.

 

 

 

Love and Gratitude,

James

 

ps- the definition of Golden Mean is: the smaller is to the larger as

the larger is to the whole (the whole is to the larger as the larger

is to the smaller).

 

- my definition of Love is what is called the 'Golden Rule' - do

unto others as you would have them do unto you (as you give so shall

yea receive).

 

The Golden Rule is the Law that the Golden mean applies (lives) as

it manifests - in other words: All is Love

 

 

 

 

, "glee_be <glee@c...>"

<glee@c...> wrote:

> Dear Bobby,

>

> Ah, I love these 'coincidences" too. Scientifically, there is no

> valid answer to such why questions - just a how, having to do with

> distances and sizes determining gravitational orbits, but you

> already know that. Its like asking why are we here at all.

>

> Visually, the moon does appear to change size, appearing larger when

> nearer the horizon, plus its orbit is more elliptical than circular.

>

> To me, such mysterious harmonies are adequately explained as the

> music of the spheres. The so called explanations simply fill me with

> even more wonder than the question did instead of explaining it.

> with the slightest deviation from the way all is arranged, and life

> would be impossible. Yet that is so because life has arisen only in

> perfect adaptation to just such conditions.

>

> Possibly we could live without a moon, or with a different size

> moon, and the tides would be almost non-existent or something. Isn't

> there a plausible speculation that life began in tidal pools? It is

> all so connected that without the moon being just how it is, there

> might be no life to notice its size. I don't think anyone can

> explain why life is so beautiful. I've never gotten past being

> totally amazed to be here at all - it is astonishing, right down to

> the smallest microbe, that life exists at all.

>

> Love,

> Gloria

>

> , "texasbg2000

> <Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:

> > Hi:

> >

> > I wonder if any of the great minds on this list can help me with

> > something I have wondered about.

> >

> > Why does the moon appear the same size as the sun and why are both

> > the same size as the earth?

> >

> > The moon is just the right distance from earth to be the same size

> as

> > the sun. Any farther away and we would see it as a spot on the

> sun

> > during eclipses and any closer and it would cover the sun longer.

> >

> > And during new moon the earth's shadow exactly covers the moon and

> no

> > more.

> >

> > This just seems like a strange coincidence, does any one have a

> guess

> > why?

> >

> >

> > Bobby G.

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Dear James and Gloria:

 

Yes Gloria thanks.

 

The music of the spheres. The law of octaves. The biosphere of the

sun with the earth center stage. Being sentient life myself (semi at

least) it would seem probable that suspicious proportions would make

themselves apparent.

It certainly is lovely.

 

Thanks for the site James. I can't do the math but the programmers

there seem awfully excited about something. I am familiar with the

Golden Section from art. The perfect place in a composition for a

balanced focal point. I use it all the time and it works very well.

 

I have another question. It involves relativistic speeds and time

dilation and the theory of the physical universe being created as we

know it in a big bang.

 

Our planet spins around a sun that spins around the center of our

galaxy. Since we are pretty far out from the center it means we are

moving faster than the stars near the center.

 

Our galaxy is shooting away from the center point of the matter in

the universe or the point where the big bang ocurred. It is probably

spinning around that point also.

 

The accumulation of speed must reach some fraction of light speed

creating relativistic time dilation. For someone moving at slower

speeds than us time would be moving faster. My question is this:

 

Is there a spot where the big bang ocurred where matter is pefectly

still? Would this mean that time is not dilated there? In that spot

would time move so fast that the universe would actually last only a

split second before the next big bang?

 

I was just wondering.

 

Love

Bobby G.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "james <nisarga@c...>"

<nisarga@c...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Bobby and Gloria,

>

>

> I have found the information at this site and the ones linked

to

> it helpful...

>

> http://www.solargeometry.com/index.htm

>

> I feel that there is much more to the Golden Mean (Phi) than

> even these folks have suspected.

>

> I feel that it is the *definition* of the structure of life -

> that the field called the 'golden mean' is *the* realm between

> extremes where the 'average' of extreme energies manifest - form is

> emptyness emptyness is form - the formation can only occur in only

> *one* certain 'field' - outside of this field there is chaos.

>

> This is why there are all these co-incidents - they are not

> co-incidents - they are the *only way* that the manifestation can

> occur and so naturally it reflects the 'order' called the 'Golden

> Mean'.

>

>

>

> Love and Gratitude,

> James

>

> ps- the definition of Golden Mean is: the smaller is to the larger

as

> the larger is to the whole (the whole is to the larger as the

larger

> is to the smaller).

>

> - my definition of Love is what is called the 'Golden Rule' - do

> unto others as you would have them do unto you (as you give so

shall

> yea receive).

>

> The Golden Rule is the Law that the Golden mean applies (lives)

as

> it manifests - in other words: All is Love

>

>

>

>

> , "glee_be <glee@c...>"

> <glee@c...> wrote:

> > Dear Bobby,

> >

> > Ah, I love these 'coincidences" too. Scientifically, there is no

> > valid answer to such why questions - just a how, having to do

with

> > distances and sizes determining gravitational orbits, but you

> > already know that. Its like asking why are we here at all.

> >

> > Visually, the moon does appear to change size, appearing larger

when

> > nearer the horizon, plus its orbit is more elliptical than

circular.

> >

> > To me, such mysterious harmonies are adequately explained as the

> > music of the spheres. The so called explanations simply fill me

with

> > even more wonder than the question did instead of explaining it.

> > with the slightest deviation from the way all is arranged, and

life

> > would be impossible. Yet that is so because life has arisen only

in

> > perfect adaptation to just such conditions.

> >

> > Possibly we could live without a moon, or with a different size

> > moon, and the tides would be almost non-existent or something.

Isn't

> > there a plausible speculation that life began in tidal pools? It

is

> > all so connected that without the moon being just how it is,

there

> > might be no life to notice its size. I don't think anyone can

> > explain why life is so beautiful. I've never gotten past being

> > totally amazed to be here at all - it is astonishing, right down

to

> > the smallest microbe, that life exists at all.

> >

> > Love,

> > Gloria

> >

> > , "texasbg2000

> > <Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > I wonder if any of the great minds on this list can help me

with

> > > something I have wondered about.

> > >

> > > Why does the moon appear the same size as the sun and why are

both

> > > the same size as the earth?

> > >

> > > The moon is just the right distance from earth to be the same

size

> > as

> > > the sun. Any farther away and we would see it as a spot on the

> > sun

> > > during eclipses and any closer and it would cover the sun

longer.

> > >

> > > And during new moon the earth's shadow exactly covers the moon

and

> > no

> > > more.

> > >

> > > This just seems like a strange coincidence, does any one have a

> > guess

> > > why?

> > >

> > >

> > > Bobby G.

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, "texasbg2000

<Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:

> Dear James and Gloria:

>

> > I have another question. It involves relativistic speeds and

time

> dilation and the theory of the physical universe being created as

we

> know it in a big bang.

>

> Our planet spins around a sun that spins around the center of our

> galaxy. Since we are pretty far out from the center it means we

are

> moving faster than the stars near the center.

>

> Our galaxy is shooting away from the center point of the matter in

> the universe or the point where the big bang ocurred. It is

probably

> spinning around that point also.

>

> The accumulation of speed must reach some fraction of light speed

> creating relativistic time dilation. For someone moving at slower

> speeds than us time would be moving faster.

 

Hi Bobby!

 

I'm on the road to New Orleans, for real I mean, and I think time

only seems to go by faster RELATIVE to just staying at home base.

Actually the road is going past me and I do not move, I'm just

sitting in the car. LOL

 

Yes really, if you look up the Einstein examples somewhere, the

famous one is about me going off in space at nearly the speed of

light and when I return, you will have aged more than me. That is

time dilation. Time actually slows down the faster you travel.

 

The example you are using has to do with like newtonian gravity and

spinning something on the end of a string it travels faster speeds

and further than the centerpoint. Like kids do with that holding

hands and spinning game.

 

When you mix classical physics, more or less earthbound, with the

relativity it is confusing. The universe has no center that we can

find.

 

 

My question is this:

>

> Is there a spot where the big bang ocurred where matter is

pefectly

> still? Would this mean that time is not dilated there? In that

spot

> would time move so fast that the universe would actually last

only a

> split second before the next big bang?

>

> I was just wondering.

>

Everything in motion is moving away from everything else, so the

center is everywhere or anywhere, or wherever you are observing from.

When you read about the big bang or look for a center of the universe

in terms of gravity, what is found is more like many soap bubbles

where the skin is a band of stars, and each bubble is expanding from

its own "center" of gravity. Even knowing the age of stars isn't all

that much help, as new stars are being born and others are dying.

The numbers for the big bang can only approach "the exact moment" as

all the known laws of physics break down at that intensity and

infinite numbers come into play. That's why Planck's constant is

used, as the closest it can be calculated. I love to read about all

this, but I can't do the math. The jury is still out on whether the

universe will expand until it dissappears entirely or eventually

contract back into the density for another big bang. It's fun to do

a google on big bang and read the ideas. Don't know when I'll be

near another computer, back home Thursday tho.

 

Love,

Gloria

> Love

> Bobby G.

>

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Hi Bobby,

 

You were wondering...

 

"Is there a spot where the big bang ocurred where matter is pefectly

> still? Would this mean that time is not dilated there? In that spot

> would time move so fast that the universe would actually last only

a split second before the next big bang?"

 

~~~

 

I feel that there was/is and wasn't/is a big bang.

 

I feel that Space Silence Stillness is Absolute and that the

manifestation that unfolds from this primal source follows natural

laws.

 

I feel that everything is simultaneously microcosm and

macrocosm, that things are infinitely nested in opposing directions,

and that they unfold/manifest.

 

In the light that everything is microcsm and macrocosm - when the

*local mind* is Silent, there is the Absolute (wht is revealed what is

always there) - when there is thinking (this is a big bang) then

there is manifestation that unfolds in orderly ways.

 

This process is seen in the microcsm of the *local mind* and it

is an infinite regression/progression of the Absolute (infinitely

nested in opposing directions).

 

Everything is One. All is Love.

 

The local mind can never understand this because its nature is

*movement* that negates understanding Stillness - yet innocent

*Seeing* has no troubles with this because what Seeing sees is Itself,

and *innocence* allows this to be as it is, without the interference

of comments/movement (time is movement - it is a way of *describing*)

of *local mind*.

 

 

 

Love and Gratitude,

James

 

 

, "texasbg2000

<Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:

> Dear James and Gloria:

>

> Yes Gloria thanks.

>

> The music of the spheres. The law of octaves. The biosphere of the

> sun with the earth center stage. Being sentient life myself (semi

at

> least) it would seem probable that suspicious proportions would make

> themselves apparent.

> It certainly is lovely.

>

> Thanks for the site James. I can't do the math but the programmers

> there seem awfully excited about something. I am familiar with the

> Golden Section from art. The perfect place in a composition for a

> balanced focal point. I use it all the time and it works very well.

>

> I have another question. It involves relativistic speeds and time

> dilation and the theory of the physical universe being created as we

> know it in a big bang.

>

> Our planet spins around a sun that spins around the center of our

> galaxy. Since we are pretty far out from the center it means we are

> moving faster than the stars near the center.

>

> Our galaxy is shooting away from the center point of the matter in

> the universe or the point where the big bang ocurred. It is

probably

> spinning around that point also.

>

> The accumulation of speed must reach some fraction of light speed

> creating relativistic time dilation. For someone moving at slower

> speeds than us time would be moving faster. My question is this:

>

> Is there a spot where the big bang ocurred where matter is pefectly

> still? Would this mean that time is not dilated there? In that spot

> would time move so fast that the universe would actually last only

a

> split second before the next big bang?

>

> I was just wondering.

>

> Love

> Bobby G.

, "james <nisarga@c...>"

> <nisarga@c...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi Bobby and Gloria,

> >

> >

> > I have found the information at this site and the ones linked

> to

> > it helpful...

> >

> > http://www.solargeometry.com/index.htm

> >

> > I feel that there is much more to the Golden Mean (Phi) than

> > even these folks have suspected.

> >

> > I feel that it is the *definition* of the structure of life

-

> > that the field called the 'golden mean' is *the* realm between

> > extremes where the 'average' of extreme energies manifest - form

is

> > emptyness emptyness is form - the formation can only occur in only

> > *one* certain 'field' - outside of this field there is chaos.

> >

> > This is why there are all these co-incidents - they are not

> > co-incidents - they are the *only way* that the manifestation can

> > occur and so naturally it reflects the 'order' called the 'Golden

> > Mean'.

> >

> >

> >

> > Love and Gratitude,

> > James

> >

> > ps- the definition of Golden Mean is: the smaller is to the larger

> as

> > the larger is to the whole (the whole is to the larger as the

> larger

> > is to the smaller).

> >

> > - my definition of Love is what is called the 'Golden Rule' - do

> > unto others as you would have them do unto you (as you give so

> shall

> > yea receive).

> >

> > The Golden Rule is the Law that the Golden mean applies (lives)

> as

> > it manifests - in other words: All is Love

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "glee_be <glee@c...>"

> > <glee@c...> wrote:

> > > Dear Bobby,

> > >

> > > Ah, I love these 'coincidences" too. Scientifically, there is no

> > > valid answer to such why questions - just a how, having to do

> with

> > > distances and sizes determining gravitational orbits, but you

> > > already know that. Its like asking why are we here at all.

> > >

> > > Visually, the moon does appear to change size, appearing larger

> when

> > > nearer the horizon, plus its orbit is more elliptical than

> circular.

> > >

> > > To me, such mysterious harmonies are adequately explained as the

> > > music of the spheres. The so called explanations simply fill me

> with

> > > even more wonder than the question did instead of explaining it.

> > > with the slightest deviation from the way all is arranged, and

> life

> > > would be impossible. Yet that is so because life has arisen only

> in

> > > perfect adaptation to just such conditions.

> > >

> > > Possibly we could live without a moon, or with a different size

> > > moon, and the tides would be almost non-existent or something.

> Isn't

> > > there a plausible speculation that life began in tidal pools? It

> is

> > > all so connected that without the moon being just how it is,

> there

> > > might be no life to notice its size. I don't think anyone can

> > > explain why life is so beautiful. I've never gotten past being

> > > totally amazed to be here at all - it is astonishing, right down

> to

> > > the smallest microbe, that life exists at all.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Gloria

> > >

> > > , "texasbg2000

> > > <Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:

> > > > Hi:

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if any of the great minds on this list can help me

> with

> > > > something I have wondered about.

> > > >

> > > > Why does the moon appear the same size as the sun and why are

> both

> > > > the same size as the earth?

> > > >

> > > > The moon is just the right distance from earth to be the same

> size

> > > as

> > > > the sun. Any farther away and we would see it as a spot on

the

> > > sun

> > > > during eclipses and any closer and it would cover the sun

> longer.

> > > >

> > > > And during new moon the earth's shadow exactly covers the moon

> and

> > > no

> > > > more.

> > > >

> > > > This just seems like a strange coincidence, does any one have

a

> > > guess

> > > > why?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bobby G.

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, "glee_be <glee@c...>"

<glee@c...> wrote:

> , "texasbg2000

> <Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:

> > Dear James and Gloria:

> >

> > > I have another question. It involves relativistic speeds and

> time

> > dilation and the theory of the physical universe being created as

> we

> > know it in a big bang.

> >

> > Our planet spins around a sun that spins around the center of our

> > galaxy. Since we are pretty far out from the center it means we

> are

> > moving faster than the stars near the center.

> >

> > Our galaxy is shooting away from the center point of the matter

in

> > the universe or the point where the big bang ocurred. It is

> probably

> > spinning around that point also.

> >

> > The accumulation of speed must reach some fraction of light speed

> > creating relativistic time dilation. For someone moving at

slower

> > speeds than us time would be moving faster.

>

> Hi Bobby!

>

> I'm on the road to New Orleans, for real I mean, and I think time

> only seems to go by faster RELATIVE to just staying at home base.

> Actually the road is going past me and I do not move, I'm just

> sitting in the car. LOL

>

> Yes really, if you look up the Einstein examples somewhere, the

> famous one is about me going off in space at nearly the speed of

> light and when I return, you will have aged more than me. That is

> time dilation. Time actually slows down the faster you travel.

>

> The example you are using has to do with like newtonian gravity and

> spinning something on the end of a string it travels faster speeds

> and further than the centerpoint. Like kids do with that holding

> hands and spinning game.

>

> When you mix classical physics, more or less earthbound, with the

> relativity it is confusing. The universe has no center that we can

> find.

 

New orleans is my old stomping grounds. I did sketches in the French

Quarter on and off for twenty years. I had a couple of studios

uptown. Be careful and leave NOTHING in the car overnight.

 

You got the idea of why the earth would be traveling fast as if on a

string tethered to the sun and the sun being tethered to the center

of the Milky Way Galaxy with and the galaxies all tethered to the

center of mass in the universe.

 

What I am suggesting is that the cumulative speed from all of this

centrifugal force might reach a fraction of lightspeed becoming

relativistic instead of Newtonian. Light speed is only 186,000 miles

per second. We can measure the speed of the earth relative to the

sun but have no referents for the others. We must be going really

fast compared to the original point of stillness where the mass of

the universe came together. This would make time for us slower than

it is at that point.

 

If someone moves relativistically faster than earth time slows for

them. But we are not the final resting place, as we are already

moving relative to that original point of stillness (in theory). Why

would things moving slower than us not have less time dilation than

us? Why can we not theorize a point of complete stillness relative

to us where time would move infinitely fast? All of our lives would

play out in a blink to life there.

 

That is what I was wondering anyway. It is funny what can capture

your imagination.

 

Have fun in NO. I envy you.

Love

Bobby G.

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Hello again Bobby,

 

<< What I am suggesting is that the cumulative speed from all of this

centrifugal force might reach a fraction of lightspeed becoming

relativistic instead of Newtonian. Light speed is only 186,000 miles

per second. We can measure the speed of the earth relative to the sun

but have no referents for the others. We must be going really fast

compared to the original point of stillness where the mass of the

universe came together. This would make time for us slower than it

is at that point. >>

 

You don't seem to mention the aspect of Einstein equation where the

closer an object is to the speed of light, the bigger will become the

Mass (the mass of the object will relatively grow). It takes more and

more Energy to bring a photon to the exact speed of light, and such a

photon would be infinitely heavy, it would drag the universe with it

as it reach the exact speed of light, in a singularity, the big

crunch. This aspect of the equation, may help to contemplate how

matter is sustained in growing away from a singularity, like for our

Big Bang theory and all this matter, that we are part of, circling

around that "original point of stillness", like you say.

 

One thing that limits me in making of Einstein equation a form of

religion is the singularity aspect. The original point of stillness

is only point, it is not all the universe, and the way to reach it is

tied to a direction, defined as the arrow of time or moving back

toward the minimum entropy

 

Quantum physics gives nicer tools, without eliminating the path traced

by Einstein. It draws no direction in finding the original "place" of

stillness other than allowing ourselves to step out of our

complexity. The complexity of our being, from atoms to the stars, is

the only limitation in touching the Sea of consciousness or our Being

or the zero point energy or as you which to call it.

 

Some try to find that point in the past or the future, they usually

need a lot of energy to do so, like in Einstein theory. Others just

let go to what's there and the frequency they vibrate to starts

changing by itself (E=hf).

 

To each one is own path. May yours and that of Gloria, be full of Joy.

 

Antoine

 

<< That is what I was wondering anyway. It is funny what can capture

your imagination.Have fun in NO. I envy you.Love Bobby G. >>

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>

> New orleans is my old stomping grounds. I did sketches in the

French

> Quarter on and off for twenty years. I had a couple of studios

> uptown. Be careful and leave NOTHING in the car overnight.

>

Hi Bobby,

 

If you ever went to Pat O'Brians, Henrietta has been singing there

for about the past 25 years. She probably saw you around, as she

lives in the Quarter.

 

I understand now what you are theorizing, basically. Don't have time

for the details, but even supposing there could be an absolute center

and it is still - if you hold still, the rest of the universe is

moving relative to you, right? The planet's relative motion around

the sun is like being on an airplane, and your motion is just your

walking down the aisle. In your example, the rotation of the earth,

plus the motion of the galaxy, plus the galaxy moving away is all

cumulative speed, right? Maybe this website can help, it has a search.

 

http://www.astronomy-info.com/

 

Love,

Gloria

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, "james <nisarga@c...>"

<nisarga@c...> wrote:

>

>

> I feel that there was/is and wasn't/is a big bang.

>

> I feel that Space Silence Stillness is Absolute and that the

> manifestation that unfolds from this primal source follows natural

> laws.

>

> I feel that everything is simultaneously microcosm and

> macrocosm, that things are infinitely nested in opposing

directions,

> and that they unfold/manifest.

>

> In the light that everything is microcsm and macrocosm - when

the

> *local mind* is Silent, there is the Absolute (wht is revealed what

is

> always there) - when there is thinking (this is a big bang) then

> there is manifestation that unfolds in orderly ways.

>

> This process is seen in the microcsm of the *local mind* and

it

> is an infinite regression/progression of the Absolute (infinitely

> nested in opposing directions).

>

> Everything is One. All is Love.

>

> The local mind can never understand this because its nature

is

> *movement* that negates understanding Stillness - yet innocent

> *Seeing* has no troubles with this because what Seeing sees is

Itself,

> and *innocence* allows this to be as it is, without the

interference

> of comments/movement (time is movement - it is a way of

*describing*)

> of *local mind*.

>

>

>

> Love and Gratitude,

> James

>

Wow James this is really beautifully put together. thank you for

this.

 

I don't disagree at all.

 

Much Love

bobby G.

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, Antoine Carré

<antoine.carre@s...> wrote:

> Hello again Bobby,

>

> << What I am suggesting is that the cumulative speed from all of

this centrifugal force might reach a fraction of lightspeed becoming

relativistic instead of Newtonian. Light speed is only 186,000 miles

per second. We can measure the speed of the earth relative to the

sun but have no referents for the others. We must be going really

fast compared to the original point of stillness where the mass of

the universe came together. This would make time for us slower than

it is at that point. >>

>

> You don't seem to mention the aspect of Einstein equation where the

closer an object is to the speed of light, the bigger will become the

Mass (the mass of the object will relatively grow). It takes more and

more Energy to bring a photon to the exact speed of light, and such a

photon would be infinitely heavy, it would drag the universe with it

as it reach the exact speed of light, in a singularity, the big

crunch. This aspect of the equation, may help to contemplate how

matter is sustained in growing away from a singularity, like for our

Big Bang theory and all this matter, that we are part of, circling

around that "original point of stillness", like you say.

>

> One thing that limits me in making of Einstein equation a form of

religion is the singularity aspect. The original point of stillness

is only point, it is not all the universe, and the way to reach it is

tied to a direction, defined as the arrow of time or moving back

toward the minimum entropy

>

> Quantum physics gives nicer tools, without eliminating the path

traced by Einstein. It draws no direction in finding the

original "place" of stillness other than allowing ourselves to step

out of our complexity. The complexity of our being, from atoms to the

stars, is the only limitation in touching the Sea of consciousness or

our Being or the zero point energy or as you which to call it.

>

> Some try to find that point in the past or the future, they usually

need a lot of energy to do so, like in Einstein theory. Others just

let go to what's there and the frequency they vibrate to starts

changing by itself (E=hf).

>

> To each one is own path. May yours and that of Gloria, be full of

Joy.

>

> Antoine

>

 

Great Answer Antoine.

 

The increase of mass is an interesting addition to the question. As

I understand it the original point of stillness would have zero mass

and zero time dilation relative to us.

 

The center of the universe is the point of zero mass and zero

duration. That is in the heart. That is the meaning of the word

heart, ie, the center.

 

E=hf?

 

Love

Bobby G.

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, "glee_be <glee@c...>"

<glee@c...> wrote:

> >

> > New orleans is my old stomping grounds. I did sketches in the

> French

> > Quarter on and off for twenty years. I had a couple of studios

> > uptown. Be careful and leave NOTHING in the car overnight.

> >

> Hi Bobby,

>

> If you ever went to Pat O'Brians, Henrietta has been singing there

> for about the past 25 years. She probably saw you around, as she

> lives in the Quarter.

>

> I understand now what you are theorizing, basically. Don't have

time

> for the details, but even supposing there could be an absolute

center

> and it is still - if you hold still, the rest of the universe is

> moving relative to you, right? The planet's relative motion around

> the sun is like being on an airplane, and your motion is just your

> walking down the aisle. In your example, the rotation of the earth,

> plus the motion of the galaxy, plus the galaxy moving away is all

> cumulative speed, right? Maybe this website can help, it has a

search.

>

> http://www.astronomy-info.com/

>

> Love,

> Gloria

 

I don't know Henrietta but if you are talking about the piano bar, I

have heard her sing and play. It is really a good time. Overpriced

On the other side of the street is Johnny White's where the artists

used to hang. Talk about rough. and Sleazy. but cheap. Back

in '78...

 

I guess I will post my question on the site you gave me and I will

let you know. Thanks.

O yeah, hurricanes make you sick. every morning when I went to work

the businesses would be hosing hundreds of dollars worth of

hurricanes off the sidewalks in front of their establishments.

 

Love

Bobby G.

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<< The increase of mass is an interesting addition to the question.

As I understand it the original point of stillness would have zero

mass and zero time dilation relative to us. >>

 

And don't forget the dilation of space in the direction of the

movement... That would mean, if our solar system ever where to move

at the speed of light, in relation to the point of stillness (or

bindu) that you mention our distance to it would become infinite, our

mass would become infinite and our time would become an eternal now.

 

The original point of stillness that you mention is maybe the alpha to

that omega that is everything already in the state of the speed of

light, where the light we see with our eyes is just but a slowing

down of that state. Our world forming this rainbow, or Oroborus, the

body of this snake biting its tail (Alpha) with its head (Omega).

<< The center of the universe is the point of zero mass and zero

duration. That is in the heart. That is the meaning of the word

heart, ie, the center. >>

 

To every center there is another center, playing here with symbols, I

have put the original point of stillness in the tail after which runs

the head of the snake making a circle. What is at the center of that

circle made of the snake? who knows...<< E=hf? >>

 

E was for Energy, h is the plank constant, f is the frequency of

vibration of matter or that of the wave of matter. This formula

replaces in quantum physics what is E=mc² for Einstein theory of

relativity.

 

Playing with both, for a same state of matter: E=E

which gives by substitution : mc²=hf

which gives: m/f = C, where C is a constant (h/c²)

This means that if the frequency of vibration of an entity is raised,

its mass will raise in the same proportion.

 

If ever the vibration level is to high, and the mass cannot be raised

anymore in this "Einstein/Newton/sensory system" Universe, then in

quantum physics it will be said that this entity as become non-local.

It will become light that is not observed. In other words its

properties cannot exist, all at the same time, in the time/space

fabric until a consciousness or a sensory system who as its "foot" in

the time/space fabric of the Einstein/Newton/ sensory Universe

a-knowledge it. It will then localize again with one or the other

property it can sustain with the help of the "consciousness" attached

to this complex "living" system or existing in what we call this

Universe; or it will slow down as it does so often when a photon is

seen (re-absorbed in) by a less vibrant or more complex system.

 

To take an example. The atoms of phosphor, on your computer screen,

receives energy from your PC, that make each electron go in high

vibration mode, to the point they cannot keep such heavy and

vibrating electron around the nucleus. That is when a photon is

emitted from those phosphor atoms. This photon becomes non-local. It

will hit anything at the speed of light no matter the speed of that

thing. When the photon hits something, its either slowed down to

light that is seen by the slower vibration entity, that is our body

consciousness, or its seen with only a few of its properties (wave or

(not and) solid particle to take an example).

 

This non local "place" that is "everywhere" outside and inside of the

fabric of our sensory Universe would be the head of the oroborus

running after its tail. Where the tail is this singularity from which

is born the "illusion" of space/time and mass; and the body of the

snake would be this universe between the singularity to this

non-local space.

 

So I wonder, if _someone_ can ever know what is that center of the oroborus?

 

Sorry if I went on using those black and white symbols when there is

ice melting to observe, or why not the wind of a flower growing...

 

It is nice to read you all Harsa, Gloria, Joyce, David, to Name a few...

 

and thank you Bobby for those though provoking a search of a center.

 

Antoine

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Hi Antoine:

 

Thanks for the thorough clear answer. I have saved it to file to

figure on later.

 

I saw a video of some physicists explaining remote viewing and they

just took a lot of non-duality very literally and incorporated it,

just as you did (I guess!) and treated it as real as they would any

other physics. Remote viewing, or finding lost objects, he said was

possible after you give up the sense of individuality and admit to

being All.

 

AC-"This means that if the frequency of vibration of an entity is

raised, its mass will raise in the same proportion"

 

I often feel bigger after meditating and smaller after my ego has

taken over.

 

A pleasure,

Bobby G.

 

, Antoine Carré

<antoine.carre@s...> wrote:

>

> << The increase of mass is an interesting addition to the

question. As I understand it the original point of stillness would

have zero mass and zero time dilation relative to us. >>

>

> And don't forget the dilation of space in the direction of the

movement... That would mean, if our solar system ever where to move

at the speed of light, in relation to the point of stillness (or

bindu) that you mention our distance to it would become infinite, our

mass would become infinite and our time would become an eternal now.

>

> The original point of stillness that you mention is maybe the alpha

to that omega that is everything already in the state of the speed of

light, where the light we see with our eyes is just but a slowing

down of that state. Our world forming this rainbow, or Oroborus, the

body of this snake biting its tail (Alpha) with its head (Omega).

>

> << The center of the universe is the point of zero mass and zero

duration. That is in the heart. That is the meaning of the word

heart, ie, the center. >>

>

> To every center there is another center, playing here with symbols,

I have put the original point of stillness in the tail after which

runs the head of the snake making a circle. What is at the center of

that circle made of the snake? who knows...

>

> << E=hf? >>

>

> E was for Energy, h is the plank constant, f is the frequency of

vibration of matter or that of the wave of matter. This formula

replaces in quantum physics what is E=mc² for Einstein theory of

relativity.

>

> Playing with both, for a same state of matter: E=E

> which gives by substitution : mc²=hf

> which gives: m/f = C, where C is a constant (h/c²)

> This means that if the frequency of vibration of an entity is

raised, its mass will raise in the same proportion.

>

> If ever the vibration level is to high, and the mass cannot be

raised anymore in this "Einstein/Newton/sensory system" Universe,

then in quantum physics it will be said that this entity as become

non-local. It will become light that is not observed. In other words

its properties cannot exist, all at the same time, in the time/space

fabric until a consciousness or a sensory system who as its "foot" in

the time/space fabric of the Einstein/Newton/ sensory Universe a-

knowledge it. It will then localize again with one or the other

property it can sustain with the help of the "consciousness" attached

to this complex "living" system or existing in what we call this

Universe; or it will slow down as it does so often when a photon is

seen (re-absorbed in) by a less vibrant or more complex system.

>

> To take an example. The atoms of phosphor, on your computer screen,

receives energy from your PC, that make each electron go in high

vibration mode, to the point they cannot keep such heavy and

vibrating electron around the nucleus. That is when a photon is

emitted from those phosphor atoms. This photon becomes non-local. It

will hit anything at the speed of light no matter the speed of that

thing. When the photon hits something, its either slowed down to

light that is seen by the slower vibration entity, that is our body

consciousness, or its seen with only a few of its properties (wave or

(not and) solid particle to take an example).

>

> This non local "place" that is "everywhere" outside and inside of

the fabric of our sensory Universe would be the head of the oroborus

running after its tail. Where the tail is this singularity from which

is born the "illusion" of space/time and mass; and the body of the

snake would be this universe between the singularity to this non-

local space.

>

> So I wonder, if _someone_ can ever know what is that center of the

oroborus?

>

> Sorry if I went on using those black and white symbols when there

is ice melting to observe, or why not the wind of a flower growing...

>

> It is nice to read you all Harsa, Gloria, Joyce, David, to Name a

few...

>

> and thank you Bobby for those though provoking a search of a center.

>

> Antoine

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> I don't know Henrietta but if you are talking about the piano bar,

I

> have heard her sing and play. It is really a good time.

Overpriced

> On the other side of the street is Johnny White's where the artists

> used to hang. Talk about rough. and Sleazy. but cheap. Back

> in '78...

>

> I guess I will post my question on the site you gave me and I will

> let you know. Thanks.

> O yeah, hurricanes make you sick. every morning when I went to

work

> the businesses would be hosing hundreds of dollars worth of

> hurricanes off the sidewalks in front of their establishments.

>

> Love

> Bobby G.

 

Yes overpriced, but people are paying her salary that way, so we

don't mind. :) There needs to be places for tourists and for locals.

 

Be home tomorrow.

 

Gloria

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, Antoine Carré

<antoine.carre@s...> wrote:

>

> << The increase of mass is an interesting addition to the

question. As I understand it the original point of stillness would

have zero mass and zero time dilation relative to us. >>

 

Namaste,

 

This is all very well in materiality and the dimensions of the lower

kosas. However it doesn't take into account pralaya and even

mahapralaya. It is still all in lower manifestation........ONS..Tony.

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> Namaste,

>

> This is all very well in materiality and the dimensions of the

lower

> kosas. However it doesn't take into account pralaya and even

> mahapralaya. It is still all in lower

manifestation........ONS..Tony.

 

Hi

Pralaya, is that a beverage of some sort? :) one man's lower kosa is

another man's higher kosa.

 

 

Are you speaking of higher manifestations? I am not really familiar

with the terms you used.

 

It is easier to speak of the lower manifestations and then see how

they relate to higher ones within oneself than it is to speak of

higher levels which are more difficult to speak of.

 

The 'as above, so below' thing, scaling in chaos theory. Probably

much of reluctance to use physical manifestion in ancient discussions

was because of the ignorance of how the big picture is formed along

the same lines as the small.

 

 

Love

Bobby G.

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<Bigbobgraham@a...>" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:

>

> > Namaste,

> >

> > This is all very well in materiality and the dimensions of the

> lower

> > kosas. However it doesn't take into account pralaya and even

> > mahapralaya. It is still all in lower

> manifestation........ONS..Tony.

>

> Hi >

> Pralaya, is that a beverage of some sort? :) one man's lower kosa

is

> another man's higher kosa.

>

>

> Are you speaking of higher manifestations? I am not really

familiar

> with the terms you used.

>

> It is easier to speak of the lower manifestations and then see how

> they relate to higher ones within oneself than it is to speak of

> higher levels which are more difficult to speak of.

>

> The 'as above, so below' thing, scaling in chaos theory. Probably

> much of reluctance to use physical manifestion in ancient

discussions

> was because of the ignorance of how the big picture is formed along

> the same lines as the small.

>

>

> Love

> Bobby G.

 

Namaste,

 

It is IMO only the lower manifestations of energy that science is

involved with. There are myriads of dimensions and theories, string,

sub atomic etc.

 

These are in material manifestation, taking into account only the

physical and basic energy, there are other levels above this far more

subtle.

 

At pralaya or subsumation of the universes, all matter and basic

energy is subsumed, at mahapralaya even the subtle is subsumed, into

pure consciousness, it is suspended in potentiality until the next

universe manifests. There are endless numbers of universes at any one

time.........ONS...Tony.

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on 1/30/03 11:33 AM, saktidasa <saktidasa at saktidasa

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> Namaste,

>

> It is IMO only the lower manifestations of energy that science is

> involved with. There are myriads of dimensions and theories, string,

> sub atomic etc.

>

> These are in material manifestation, taking into account only the

> physical and basic energy, there are other levels above this far more

> subtle.

>

> At pralaya or subsumation of the universes, all matter and basic

> energy is subsumed, at mahapralaya even the subtle is subsumed, into

> pure consciousness, it is suspended in potentiality until the next

> universe manifests. There are endless numbers of universes at any one

> time.........ONS...Tony.

 

 

It doesn't take much to realise that the concerns one little person in this

world amounts to a huge hill of beans to that person.

 

from Casa Blanca ( ;-))

 

Shawn

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