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The question was raised regarding what Bhagavan meant

when he said that self-inquiry was only suitable for

ripe persons. Should this discourage people from the

practice of self-inquiry?

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Bhagavan meant that a person who grasps the subtle

nature of self-inquiry and is attracted to it is a

ripe soul. It is not a matter of forcing it. Nothing

should discourage people from engaging in

self-inquiry.

 

Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had

already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for

12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa

and other spiritual practices.

 

Bhagavan's advice was always contextual and he advised

people to be natural in their spiritual practices and

without concern (about ripe and unripe or advancement

etc.) to remain in their natural state.

 

There are testimonies of many devotees who all of a

sudden realized that they had been initiated into

self-inquiry while sitting in Bhagavan's presence.

 

That presence, Bhagavan's presence. is always with us

as our own Heart, as our own presence. Self-inquiry is

simply being conscious of this presence as pure

awareness.

 

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Harsha

 

 

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> Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had

> already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for

> 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa

> and other spiritual practices.

>

> devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation?

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<devi@p...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had

> > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for

> > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa

> > and other spiritual practices.

> >

> > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation?

 

Namaste,

 

Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people have

glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or they

waste it. ..ONS...Tony.

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> , "devianandi <devi@p...>"

> <devi@p...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had

> > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for

> > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa

> > > and other spiritual practices.

> > >

> > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation?

>

> Namaste,

>

> Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people have

> glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or they

> waste it. ..ONS...Tony.

 

devi: what does ONS mean? ..so i guess that you have had both a

glimpse in temporary samadi and samadhi with attributes and

liberation, is that a good guess? your talking from experiece?

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<devi@p...> wrote:

> , "saktidasa <saktidasa>"

> <saktidasa> wrote:

> > , "devianandi <devi@p...>"

> > <devi@p...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had

> > > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for

> > > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa

> > > > and other spiritual practices.

> > > >

> > > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation?

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people

have

> > glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or

they

> > waste it. ..ONS...Tony.

>

> devi: what does ONS mean? ..so i guess that you have had both a

> glimpse in temporary samadi and samadhi with attributes and

> liberation, is that a good guess? your talking from experiece?

 

Namaste,

 

ONS....Om Namah Sivaya. I don't know whether I speak from experience

or not. I have had experiences in meditation or non experiences and I

have the same spontaneously in normal daily life, sometimes for quite

some time, and I try to hang on but everyday life interferes.

 

However discounting me, drawing on Ramana's words would tell you the

same..........ONS....Tony.

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> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had

> > > > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for

> > > > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa

> > > > > and other spiritual practices.

> > > > >

> > > > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation?

> > >

> > >

> > > Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people

> have

> > > glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or

> they

> > > waste it. ..ONS...Tony.

> >

> > devi: what does ONS mean? ..so i guess that you have had both a

> > glimpse in temporary samadi and samadhi with attributes and

> > liberation, is that a good guess? your talking from experiece?

>

>

> ONS....Om Namah Sivaya. I don't know whether I speak from

experience

> or not. I have had experiences in meditation or non experiences and

I

> have the same spontaneously in normal daily life, sometimes for

quite

> some time, and I try to hang on but everyday life interferes.

>

> However discounting me, drawing on Ramana's words would tell you

the

> same..........ONS....Tony.

 

oh, ok, on nama sivaya back to you and a hari krishna hari hrisha..

 

you almost sound like my own self.when you say i don't know whether i

speak from experience or not...funny,anyway,i'm wondering why you try

and hang on to anything and why you consider everyday life as an

interference..don't you think that if you hang on too much that

you'll die? leave your body,? are you disappointed with the

world..and did a dissappointment with the world lead you onto the

spiritual path...

?(i'm assuming you have been disappointed in the past?)do you believe

in re-incarnation..how old are you, and where so you live?

smiles

 

devi

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, "devianandi <devi@p...>"

<devi@p...> wrote:

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had

> > > > > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for

> > > > > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa

> > > > > > and other spiritual practices.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from

liberation?

> > > >

>

> > > >

> > > > Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people

> > have

> > > > glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or

> > they

> > > > waste it. ..ONS...Tony.

> > >

> > > devi: what does ONS mean? ..so i guess that you have had both a

> > > glimpse in temporary samadi and samadhi with attributes and

> > > liberation, is that a good guess? your talking from experiece?

> >

>

> >

> > ONS....Om Namah Sivaya. I don't know whether I speak from

> experience

> > or not. I have had experiences in meditation or non experiences

and

> I

> > have the same spontaneously in normal daily life, sometimes for

> quite

> > some time, and I try to hang on but everyday life interferes.

> >

> > However discounting me, drawing on Ramana's words would tell you

> the

> > same..........ONS....Tony.

>

> oh, ok, on nama sivaya back to you and a hari krishna hari hrisha..

>

> you almost sound like my own self.when you say i don't know whether

i

> speak from experience or not...funny,anyway,i'm wondering why you

try

> and hang on to anything and why you consider everyday life as an

> interference..don't you think that if you hang on too much that

> you'll die? leave your body,? are you disappointed with the

> world..and did a dissappointment with the world lead you onto the

> spiritual path...

> ?(i'm assuming you have been disappointed in the past?)do you

believe

> in re-incarnation..how old are you, and where so you live?

> smiles

>

> devi

 

Namaste Devi,

 

The whole purpose is to be disappointed with the present state. I say

I don't know, for only a jivanmukti can really know. Bliss and

associate states are difficult to hang on to for munane activities

and problems enhance the mind and dissipate the bliss. However it is

always there below the surface as the 'ground'.

Of course I've been disappointed and yes of course I believe in

reincarnation for the 'unrealised' jivas. I am too old to worry

haha........ONS...Tony.

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> Namaste Devi,

>

> The whole purpose is to be disappointed with the present state.

devi: for the aspirant

 

 

 

I say

> I don't know, for only a jivanmukti can really know.

devi: so can a param mukti,,and a vedha mukti..you know in my book

here it says that a jivan-mukti also known as a salik is in

the "abiding-in or "getting established in" God . They continually

and consciously experience simultaneously the dual experience of

the "I AM God" state and the "I am human" state. and theY

accumultate infinite knowledge power and bliss while also

experienceing human weakness and sufferings, knowing their falsity to

be based on the manifestations of the finite NOTHING that manifests

Out of His Own state of being EVRYTHING AND iNFINTIE? DO YOU GET THAT?

 

 

Bliss and

> associate states are difficult to hang on to for munane activities

> and problems enhance the mind and dissipate the bliss. However it

is

> always there below the surface as the 'ground'.

> Of course I've been disappointed and yes of course I believe in

> reincarnation for the 'unrealised' jivas. I am too old to worry

> haha........ONS...Tony.

 

that reminds me of something my Guru said...no one is ever old, in

God's eyes we are all children

 

hahah... your funny ..HKHK...devi

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, "devianandi <devi@p...>"

<devi@p...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Namaste Devi,

> >

> > The whole purpose is to be disappointed with the present state.

> devi: for the aspirant

>

>

>

> I say

> > I don't know, for only a jivanmukti can really know.

> devi: so can a param mukti,,and a vedha mukti..you know in my book

> here it says that a jivan-mukti also known as a salik is in

> the "abiding-in or "getting established in" God . They continually

> and consciously experience simultaneously the dual experience of

> the "I AM God" state and the "I am human" state. and theY

> accumultate infinite knowledge power and bliss while also

> experienceing human weakness and sufferings, knowing their falsity

to

> be based on the manifestations of the finite NOTHING that manifests

> Out of His Own state of being EVRYTHING AND iNFINTIE? DO YOU GET

THAT?

 

Namaste,

 

A Jivanmukti has no body to worry about, He is everyone's body. Other

states are not fully realisation.......ONS...Tony.

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