Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 The question was raised regarding what Bhagavan meant when he said that self-inquiry was only suitable for ripe persons. Should this discourage people from the practice of self-inquiry? ******************** Bhagavan meant that a person who grasps the subtle nature of self-inquiry and is attracted to it is a ripe soul. It is not a matter of forcing it. Nothing should discourage people from engaging in self-inquiry. Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa and other spiritual practices. Bhagavan's advice was always contextual and he advised people to be natural in their spiritual practices and without concern (about ripe and unripe or advancement etc.) to remain in their natural state. There are testimonies of many devotees who all of a sudden realized that they had been initiated into self-inquiry while sitting in Bhagavan's presence. That presence, Bhagavan's presence. is always with us as our own Heart, as our own presence. Self-inquiry is simply being conscious of this presence as pure awareness. Love to all Harsha ===== /join Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa > and other spiritual practices. > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 , "devianandi <devi@p...>" <devi@p...> wrote: > > > > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa > > and other spiritual practices. > > > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation? Namaste, Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people have glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or they waste it. ..ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 , "saktidasa <saktidasa>" <saktidasa> wrote: > , "devianandi <devi@p...>" > <devi@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had > > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for > > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa > > > and other spiritual practices. > > > > > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation? > > Namaste, > > Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people have > glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or they > waste it. ..ONS...Tony. devi: what does ONS mean? ..so i guess that you have had both a glimpse in temporary samadi and samadhi with attributes and liberation, is that a good guess? your talking from experiece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 , "devianandi <devi@p...>" <devi@p...> wrote: > , "saktidasa <saktidasa>" > <saktidasa> wrote: > > , "devianandi <devi@p...>" > > <devi@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had > > > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for > > > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa > > > > and other spiritual practices. > > > > > > > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation? > > > > Namaste, > > > > Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people have > > glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or they > > waste it. ..ONS...Tony. > > devi: what does ONS mean? ..so i guess that you have had both a > glimpse in temporary samadi and samadhi with attributes and > liberation, is that a good guess? your talking from experiece? Namaste, ONS....Om Namah Sivaya. I don't know whether I speak from experience or not. I have had experiences in meditation or non experiences and I have the same spontaneously in normal daily life, sometimes for quite some time, and I try to hang on but everyday life interferes. However discounting me, drawing on Ramana's words would tell you the same..........ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had > > > > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for > > > > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa > > > > > and other spiritual practices. > > > > > > > > > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation? > > > > > > > > > Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people > have > > > glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or > they > > > waste it. ..ONS...Tony. > > > > devi: what does ONS mean? ..so i guess that you have had both a > > glimpse in temporary samadi and samadhi with attributes and > > liberation, is that a good guess? your talking from experiece? > > > ONS....Om Namah Sivaya. I don't know whether I speak from experience > or not. I have had experiences in meditation or non experiences and I > have the same spontaneously in normal daily life, sometimes for quite > some time, and I try to hang on but everyday life interferes. > > However discounting me, drawing on Ramana's words would tell you the > same..........ONS....Tony. oh, ok, on nama sivaya back to you and a hari krishna hari hrisha.. you almost sound like my own self.when you say i don't know whether i speak from experience or not...funny,anyway,i'm wondering why you try and hang on to anything and why you consider everyday life as an interference..don't you think that if you hang on too much that you'll die? leave your body,? are you disappointed with the world..and did a dissappointment with the world lead you onto the spiritual path... ?(i'm assuming you have been disappointed in the past?)do you believe in re-incarnation..how old are you, and where so you live? smiles devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 , "devianandi <devi@p...>" <devi@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana was very practical. Kunju Swami, who had > > > > > > already glimpsed the Self and had served Bhagavan for > > > > > > 12 years was advised to combine self-inquiry with Japa > > > > > > and other spiritual practices. > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: how does a glimpse of the Self differ from liberation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Temporary Samadhi, or Samadhi with attributes.....Also people > > have > > > > glimpses of the Self all the time but they don't notice it or > > they > > > > waste it. ..ONS...Tony. > > > > > > devi: what does ONS mean? ..so i guess that you have had both a > > > glimpse in temporary samadi and samadhi with attributes and > > > liberation, is that a good guess? your talking from experiece? > > > > > > > ONS....Om Namah Sivaya. I don't know whether I speak from > experience > > or not. I have had experiences in meditation or non experiences and > I > > have the same spontaneously in normal daily life, sometimes for > quite > > some time, and I try to hang on but everyday life interferes. > > > > However discounting me, drawing on Ramana's words would tell you > the > > same..........ONS....Tony. > > oh, ok, on nama sivaya back to you and a hari krishna hari hrisha.. > > you almost sound like my own self.when you say i don't know whether i > speak from experience or not...funny,anyway,i'm wondering why you try > and hang on to anything and why you consider everyday life as an > interference..don't you think that if you hang on too much that > you'll die? leave your body,? are you disappointed with the > world..and did a dissappointment with the world lead you onto the > spiritual path... > ?(i'm assuming you have been disappointed in the past?)do you believe > in re-incarnation..how old are you, and where so you live? > smiles > > devi Namaste Devi, The whole purpose is to be disappointed with the present state. I say I don't know, for only a jivanmukti can really know. Bliss and associate states are difficult to hang on to for munane activities and problems enhance the mind and dissipate the bliss. However it is always there below the surface as the 'ground'. Of course I've been disappointed and yes of course I believe in reincarnation for the 'unrealised' jivas. I am too old to worry haha........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 > > Namaste Devi, > > The whole purpose is to be disappointed with the present state. devi: for the aspirant I say > I don't know, for only a jivanmukti can really know. devi: so can a param mukti,,and a vedha mukti..you know in my book here it says that a jivan-mukti also known as a salik is in the "abiding-in or "getting established in" God . They continually and consciously experience simultaneously the dual experience of the "I AM God" state and the "I am human" state. and theY accumultate infinite knowledge power and bliss while also experienceing human weakness and sufferings, knowing their falsity to be based on the manifestations of the finite NOTHING that manifests Out of His Own state of being EVRYTHING AND iNFINTIE? DO YOU GET THAT? Bliss and > associate states are difficult to hang on to for munane activities > and problems enhance the mind and dissipate the bliss. However it is > always there below the surface as the 'ground'. > Of course I've been disappointed and yes of course I believe in > reincarnation for the 'unrealised' jivas. I am too old to worry > haha........ONS...Tony. that reminds me of something my Guru said...no one is ever old, in God's eyes we are all children hahah... your funny ..HKHK...devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 , "devianandi <devi@p...>" <devi@p...> wrote: > > > > > Namaste Devi, > > > > The whole purpose is to be disappointed with the present state. > devi: for the aspirant > > > > I say > > I don't know, for only a jivanmukti can really know. > devi: so can a param mukti,,and a vedha mukti..you know in my book > here it says that a jivan-mukti also known as a salik is in > the "abiding-in or "getting established in" God . They continually > and consciously experience simultaneously the dual experience of > the "I AM God" state and the "I am human" state. and theY > accumultate infinite knowledge power and bliss while also > experienceing human weakness and sufferings, knowing their falsity to > be based on the manifestations of the finite NOTHING that manifests > Out of His Own state of being EVRYTHING AND iNFINTIE? DO YOU GET THAT? Namaste, A Jivanmukti has no body to worry about, He is everyone's body. Other states are not fully realisation.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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