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On the eve of great Mahabharata

battle, Arjuna asked his charioteer

to drive their chariot out to the

front line so he could look over

the opposition he must face the

next day.

 

As he looked at his foes, he

recognized his favorite teacher,

Drona, and his beloved grand uncle,

Bhishma, and many other relatives

and friends. Horrified to realize

that he must kill the very people

he loved, he threw down his bow

and arrow and told Krishna he would not fight.

 

Krishna gave Arjuna numerous reasons

to fight. You must fight, he told

Arjuna, or it will look like you

are a coward, and the people will

say you were afraid to fight.

You are a prince, and you must

set a good example for other people

in the kingdom. If the prince

refuses to fight, who else can be

counted on to enter the battle?

 

Remember, he said, it is your

dharma. You are a warrior, and a

warrior must fight. You'll build

up good karma if you fight, because

there is nothing better for a

warrior than a just cause for which

to fight. He reminded Arjuna of

samsara. A person who is born must

die, and a person who dies will

be rebom; the wise do not grieve

over that, he said. Dying is like

leaving aside wom-out garments,

only instead, one is leaving aside

a wom-out body. He instructed

Arjuna that the only true essence

is Brahman, and that Brahman

cannot be killed.

 

What dies is not essential. Further,

he said, if you kill Drona,

Bhishma and your cousins in battle,

you enable them to build good

karma, so you are really helping them.

Krishna then discussed moksha, the

ultimate aim of life. If one

experiences moksha, Krishna

reminded Arjuna, he breaks the

chains of samsara and rejoins

Brahman and is not rebom. Krishna

explained four yogas or methods

to achieve moksha. One method is

the yoga of meditation. Another is

the yoga of knowledge.

 

These were the methods that

traditionally only Brahmins

followed. But Krishna assured

Arjuna that there were two other

methods for achieving moksha that

anyone might follow: the yoga of

holy indifference and the yoga of

devotion.

 

The yoga of holy indifference is

called karma yoga. "You must be

indifferent to the fruits of your

actions," he told Arjuna. "You have

a right to the deeds, never to

the fruits. If you can perform

your deeds but are holy indifferent

to the results of your actions,

you will not build up any karma

and you will not be rebom.

 

Fight because you are a warrior,

but don't mind what happens or

who wins. On action alone be thy

interest, never on its fruits."

A fourth method for reaching

moksha was the yoga of devotion

or bhakti yoga. "Be devoted to

me," Krishna said. "If you perform

each act with your mind on the

me alone," Krishna promised,

"you will experience moksha."

 

Devotion alone holds the key.

Arjuna was not convinced, so

Krishna finally revealed his true

identity to the warrior. Krishna

was really divinity who had taken

the form of a charioteer to help

the Pandavas re-establish

righteousness.

 

His revelation was like the light

of a thousand suns in the sky.

As Arjuna looked at him, he saw

all the world, all the gods, the

universe, the One. Filled with

awe, Arjuna agreed to fight.

 

<http://www.askasia.org/frclasrm/lessplan/l000059.htm>

 

-------PEACE will come!

Karta

 

 

 

i hope, sorry for the timing and

the apropos

 

Yes dear Harsha,

 

GOD BLESS AND SAVE THE WORLD!

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, "satkartar5" <sat_karta@h...>

wrote:

> On the eve of great Mahabharata

> battle, Arjuna asked his charioteer

> to drive their chariot out to the

> front line so he could look over

> the opposition he must face the

> next day.

 

Namaste,

Let us remember this is an esoteric scripture and the field of battle

is our own bodies and minds........ONS....Tony.

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, "satkartar5" <sat_karta@h...>

wrote:

> -------PEACE will come!

> Karta

>

> >

> i hope, sorry for the timing and

> the apropos

>

> Yes dear Harsha,

>

> GOD BLESS AND SAVE THE WORLD!

 

Karta

 

***************************

Hi Karta,

 

That was a different Harsha (Vardhan) that you are responding to --

perhaps he has joined recently (Harsha pronounced Hersh or Hersha or

Hirsha) is a Sanskrit word meaning Joy.

 

Yes, dear Karta. God should bless the whole world. It would be a

decent thing to do (It would not be God-like to do otherwise).

 

Sages tell us that God does bless everyone in God's own way through

the universal laws of evolution the ancients called Karma.

 

According to Jainism, the religion of my teacher, Karma is the most

subtle matter in the universe. The evolution of the soul, movement

upwards so to speak, happens as heavier particles (vibrations

resulting from heavy emotions of hate, rage, anger, etc.) are

gradually dropped.

 

How can we understand the mystery except by going through it.

 

Love to all

Harsha

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, "saktidasa" <saktidasa>

wrote:

> , "satkartar5"

<sat_karta@h...>

> wrote:

> > On the eve of great Mahabharata

> > battle, Arjuna asked his charioteer

> > to drive their chariot out to the

> > front line so he could look over

> > the opposition he must face the

> > next day.

>

> Namaste,

> Let us remember this is an esoteric scripture and the field of

battle

> is our own bodies and minds........ONS....Tony.

 

As an addition; Dharma and the unreality of it all was also a

teaching by Krishna to Arjuna. This war no doubt happened but cannot

be compared to any current conflicts, except in the futility of it

all.

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"saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote:

"satkartar5"

> wrote:

> On the eve of great Mahabharata

> battle, Arjuna asked his charioteer

> to drive their chariot out to the

> front line so he could look over

> the opposition he must face the

> next day.

>

> Namaste,

> Let us remember this is an esoteric scripture and the field of

> battle

> is our own bodies and minds........ONS....Tony.

 

Karta: yes, yes of course, but as

everything it's meaning is

multy-layered

 

Peace, and love, Karta

 

> As an addition; Dharma and the unreality of it all was also a

> teaching by Krishna to Arjuna. This war no doubt happened but cannot

> be compared to any current conflicts, except in the futility of it

> all.

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> > Yes dear Harsha,

> >

> > GOD BLESS AND SAVE THE WORLD!

>

> Karta

>

***************************

> Yes, dear Karta. God should bless the whole world. It would be a

> decent thing to do (It would not be God-like to do otherwise).

>

> Sages tell us that God does bless everyone in God's own way through

> the universal laws of evolution the ancients called Karma.

 

May God bless those whose dharma it is is to be warriors.

May God bless those whose dharma it is to be victims.

May God bless those who know not what they do

 

EternaLove,

 

Joyce

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i fear it would be streching too much to apply

bhagavad gita to the reason and logic of any war.

gita also talks of vasanaas, simplistically human

nature. man strives to act and fulfill his vasanas.

war is the culmination of the activation of the

collective vasanas of the individuals of a society. in

this respect the poet john donnes lines are of

relevance. "donot ask for whom the bell tolls , it

tolls for thee" we are all in a way responsible for

the war. the hype for violence that has been going on

for years had dto find its own denoument.

joseph oommen

--- satkartar5 <mi_nok wrote:

> On the eve of great Mahabharata

> battle, Arjuna asked his charioteer

> to drive their chariot out to the

> front line so he could look over

> the opposition he must face the

> next day.

>

> As he looked at his foes, he

> recognized his favorite teacher,

> Drona, and his beloved grand uncle,

> Bhishma, and many other relatives

> and friends. Horrified to realize

> that he must kill the very people

> he loved, he threw down his bow

> and arrow and told Krishna he would not fight.

>

> Krishna gave Arjuna numerous reasons

> to fight. You must fight, he told

> Arjuna, or it will look like you

> are a coward, and the people will

> say you were afraid to fight.

> You are a prince, and you must

> set a good example for other people

> in the kingdom. If the prince

> refuses to fight, who else can be

> counted on to enter the battle?

>

> Remember, he said, it is your

> dharma. You are a warrior, and a

> warrior must fight. You'll build

> up good karma if you fight, because

> there is nothing better for a

> warrior than a just cause for which

> to fight. He reminded Arjuna of

> samsara. A person who is born must

> die, and a person who dies will

> be rebom; the wise do not grieve

> over that, he said. Dying is like

> leaving aside wom-out garments,

> only instead, one is leaving aside

> a wom-out body. He instructed

> Arjuna that the only true essence

> is Brahman, and that Brahman

> cannot be killed.

>

> What dies is not essential. Further,

> he said, if you kill Drona,

> Bhishma and your cousins in battle,

> you enable them to build good

> karma, so you are really helping them.

> Krishna then discussed moksha, the

> ultimate aim of life. If one

> experiences moksha, Krishna

> reminded Arjuna, he breaks the

> chains of samsara and rejoins

> Brahman and is not rebom. Krishna

> explained four yogas or methods

> to achieve moksha. One method is

> the yoga of meditation. Another is

> the yoga of knowledge.

>

> These were the methods that

> traditionally only Brahmins

> followed. But Krishna assured

> Arjuna that there were two other

> methods for achieving moksha that

> anyone might follow: the yoga of

> holy indifference and the yoga of

> devotion.

>

> The yoga of holy indifference is

> called karma yoga. "You must be

> indifferent to the fruits of your

> actions," he told Arjuna. "You have

> a right to the deeds, never to

> the fruits. If you can perform

> your deeds but are holy indifferent

> to the results of your actions,

> you will not build up any karma

> and you will not be rebom.

>

> Fight because you are a warrior,

> but don't mind what happens or

> who wins. On action alone be thy

> interest, never on its fruits."

> A fourth method for reaching

> moksha was the yoga of devotion

> or bhakti yoga. "Be devoted to

> me," Krishna said. "If you perform

> each act with your mind on the

> me alone," Krishna promised,

> "you will experience moksha."

>

> Devotion alone holds the key.

> Arjuna was not convinced, so

> Krishna finally revealed his true

> identity to the warrior. Krishna

> was really divinity who had taken

> the form of a charioteer to help

> the Pandavas re-establish

> righteousness.

>

> His revelation was like the light

> of a thousand suns in the sky.

> As Arjuna looked at him, he saw

> all the world, all the gods, the

> universe, the One. Filled with

> awe, Arjuna agreed to fight.

>

>

<http://www.askasia.org/frclasrm/lessplan/l000059.htm>

>

> -------PEACE will come!

> Karta

>

>

>

> i hope, sorry for the timing and

> the apropos

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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