Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Rich wrote: > Is there a point of no return I wonder? That one could surrender to > something so fully they forget they ever surrendered and loose there > previous sense of self and there ability to pull back out of what they > surrendered to. > Vernon Kitabu Turner voices 'surrendering the will to the unknown'. He seems very much alive and present as I am reading this. In itself, the desire to surrender would seem an act of will but at another level inherently K is pushing up and away my sense of self and making me surrender. It would seem sometimes also that I conceive a problem in my life (such as an illness) as a means to get me to move past it where as before I may have avoided it. Is it a paradox that we give up the will for an instant to surrender so the will is not really involved but it is just a cycle of preparation to train ourself to this. Could a non K person do the same? Perhaps with endeavor (without effort) and faith. Giving way to the divine through an operation like a computer program. We write the program how we want it to be, to serve us. Goddess gives guidance when we ask. When this becomes a permanent process without intervention then I will be finished. And started at the same time. For time I will no longer care of. Giving up the desire to surrender to K (and all other desire (and the desire to have another desire)) would seem like surrender of will. Desire.. The obscurer of Emptiness. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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