Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Hello All, I'd like to know what is the basic difference between catholicism and protestantianism in christianity. My friend was telling me that both consider Jesus as the son of God, and that in Catholics , Jesus was too holy to be approached directly. So he should be approached through Mary, the mother of Jesus. In protestants, they acknowledge Mary as the mother of Jesus, but do not pray to her. They pray directly to Jesus. My question is, is this all ? I thought it was to do with the differences in the underlying faith. Just as in Advaita / Visishtadvaita and Dvaita, people create and see differences in the truth. Appreciate your help. Thanks, G.Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 Dear G. Venkat, there are many differences in lithurgy (sacramants), in the hierarchy structures etc. between Chatholicism and Protestantism which can only be understood from history. But more significant is what is common to both confessions. All Christians, from whatever confession, believe in Christ and to approach him directly and pray directly to him. The "status" of Mother Mary is saw somewhat differently. The underlying faith is the same - everywhere. Regards Gabriele , "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote: > Hello All, > I'd like to know what is the basic difference between catholicism and > protestantianism in christianity. > My friend was telling me that both consider Jesus as the son of God, > and that in Catholics , Jesus was too holy to be approached directly. > So he should be approached through Mary, the mother of Jesus. > In protestants, they acknowledge Mary as the mother of Jesus, but do > not pray to her. They pray directly to Jesus. > > My question is, is this all ? I thought it was to do with the > differences in the underlying faith. Just as in Advaita / > Visishtadvaita and Dvaita, people create and see differences in the > truth. > > Appreciate your help. > > Thanks, > G.Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 , "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote: > Hello All, > I'd like to know what is the basic difference between catholicism and > protestantianism in christianity. > My friend was telling me that both consider Jesus as the son of God, > and that in Catholics , Jesus was too holy to be approached directly. > So he should be approached through Mary, the mother of Jesus. > In protestants, they acknowledge Mary as the mother of Jesus, but do > not pray to her. They pray directly to Jesus. > > My question is, is this all ? I thought it was to do with the > differences in the underlying faith. Just as in Advaita / > Visishtadvaita and Dvaita, people create and see differences in the > truth. > > Appreciate your help. > > Thanks, > G.Venkat Namaste Guru V, There is difference in recognising the Pope as leader and there are differences in belief of the Sacraments. Catholics believe the wafer host actually becomes the body and blood of Christ whereas the Protestants believe it is symbolic. Some Sacraments, such as confession, have not been retained by the Protestants although the Orthodox have. The Catholics have a last rite similar to the Hindu Shraddah in concept. Catholics also at the more involved level have a belief in Immanent God and God Transcendantal. Protestantism seems to function at the exoteric level completely, whereas in Catholism there seems to be some limited esotericism. With regard to Mary. As most of Europe at the time were heavily into the Goddess, she has taken that position in Catholicism. Jesus can be approached of course but many prefer to pray to Mary, as it is a pre Christian habit. Catholics believe that both Jesus and Mary were Virgin Births, Immaculate Conceptions. Protestants generally don't. Essentially any Hindu would understand the idols, incense etc of the Catholics and their meaning. Protestants don't go in much for this, although the English Church does. Catholicism is still Dvaita though, as are all religions. However it does move a little to Vishtadvaita at its higher theological levels..A perfect example is the Sermon on the Mount, which is quite Buddhistic or Hindu. The Peace talked about is not only worldly peace but inner peace. The part where Jesus says turn the other cheek or if someone steals your coat etc give him the lot, is also about attachment and karma etc.......ONS.....Tony, P.S. Can't you tell that I was an altar boy?hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 Dear Tony, > The Catholics have a last rite similar to the Hindu Shraddah in > concept. I am really surprised that they have something like this !! I thought it was only Buddhists and Hindus who do this. > Catholicism is still Dvaita though, as are all religions. However it > does move a little to Vishtadvaita at its higher theological > levels..A perfect example is the Sermon on the Mount, which is quite > Buddhistic or Hindu. The Peace talked about is not only worldly peace > but inner peace. The part where Jesus says turn the other cheek or if > someone steals your coat etc give him the lot, is also about > attachment and karma etc.......ONS.....Tony, This is very informative. > P.S. Can't you tell that I was an altar boy?hahahaha were you ? :-) I sometimes used to carry Panakam ( a sweet water ) when we go in Bajans. They give this to everybody so the throat doesn't dry up singing the name of the Lord. Om Tat Sat G.Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 , "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > > The Catholics have a last rite similar to the Hindu Shraddah in > > concept. > > I am really surprised that they have something like this !! I thought > it was only Buddhists and Hindus who do this. > > > > Catholicism is still Dvaita though, as are all religions. However > it > > does move a little to Vishtadvaita at its higher theological > > levels..A perfect example is the Sermon on the Mount, which is > quite > > Buddhistic or Hindu. The Peace talked about is not only worldly > peace > > but inner peace. The part where Jesus says turn the other cheek or > if > > someone steals your coat etc give him the lot, is also about > > attachment and karma etc.......ONS.....Tony, > > This is very informative. > > > P.S. Can't you tell that I was an altar boy?hahahaha > > were you ? :-) I sometimes used to carry Panakam ( a sweet water ) > when we go in Bajans. They give this to everybody so the throat > doesn't dry up singing the name of the Lord. > > Om Tat Sat > G.Venkat Namaste, Yes a Bhajan groups I went to didn't distribute vibhuti except in water...other groups differ I notice.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 The dogma of Trinity is a major difference. God in three persons, the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Trinity is a Hellenistic theory developed slowly between 100-400 AD. Catholics see Trinity as defined in the new Testament. This interpretation is rejected by most Protestants. It seems better to use Occum's razor and say that if there is but "one" god then we must all be a part of this one god, as God in "all" persons, and not "three". Better yet...how about god in "all things", then maybe we won't be so materialistic and allow this beautiful Earth to be destroyed, because everything is thus seen as sacred. () Bob The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 , Robert Lippert <rslippert> wrote: > The dogma of Trinity is a major difference. > God in three persons, the Father, Son and > the Holy Spirit. Trinity is a Hellenistic theory > developed slowly between 100-400 AD. > > Catholics see Trinity as defined in the new > Testament. This interpretation is rejected by > most Protestants. Namaste. Jesus himself is supposed to have taught 'The Trinity'. I find this likely as being of Essenic background and having spent time in Egypt and India, where the doctrine was common knowledge for millenia. The Osirian religion taught it and by the way so did the Celtic religions.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Namaste, > Jesus himself is supposed to have taught 'The Trinity'. Does this Trinity, correspond to the statements of Jesus : " I and my father are one " and " I am in you; you are in me; I am in my father " . I thought this was implying that there is only one spirit that works in all. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks, G.Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 , "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote: > Namaste, > > > Jesus himself is supposed to have taught 'The Trinity'. > > Does this Trinity, correspond to the statements of Jesus : > " I and my father are one " > and " I am in you; you are in me; I am in my father " . > I thought this was implying that there is only one spirit that works > in all. Please correct me if I am wrong. > > Thanks, > G.Venkat Namaste Guru V. Jesus taught at different levels to different people, used parables a lot also. The Trinity he taught was Father, Son, Holy Spirit.= Sat, Tat, Om.....ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 No... Pantheism is the belief that god is in everything. I don't think Catholics believe in Pantheism. This religious issue is the reason Trinity was defined, to stop a Pantheism movement 100 Ad which many in the Catholic church called heresy. My interpretation is that Jesus ment it just as you suggest, or that god is in everything. (or is it, god *is* everything ?) I beleive most Protestants are Pantheists. () Love Bob The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 , Robert Lippert <rslippert> wrote: > No... > Pantheism is the belief that god is in > everything. > I don't think Catholics believe in Pantheism. > > This religious issue is the reason Trinity > was defined, to stop a Pantheism movement 100 Ad > which many in the Catholic church called heresy. > > My interpretation is that Jesus ment it just > as you suggest, or that god is in everything. > (or is it, god *is* everything ?) > I beleive most Protestants are Pantheists. > > () Love > Bob Namaste, When I was at school we learned the Catholic catechism. Part of it went like this. Where is God? answer: God is everywhere. ( we were told He was inside everything.) Who made me?....God made me. Why did God make me...A). To know God love Him and Serve Him. Pantheism tends to believe that everything has its own Spirit individually. I think many Protestants believe only humans have souls. ONS........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 > I think many Protestants believe only humans > have souls. Once, I got into a lengthy discussion with a catholic priest over the idea that animals have no souls. At least this is what the Catholic priest believed. He said, "Only humans have souls." "We don't baptize animals do we", he argued. After having this discussion, I went home and baptized my animals. Ha Ha Ha! My family thought I was crazy, but they helped. I decided to draw the line at mammals, not humans. I don't eat mammals of any kind. I eat only fish and fowl. We all draw the line somewhere, ehh? () Bob The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 , Robert Lippert <rslippert> wrote: > > I think many Protestants believe only humans > > have souls. > > Once, I got into a lengthy discussion > with a catholic priest over the idea that > animals have no souls. At least this is what the > Catholic priest believed. > He said, "Only humans have souls." > "We don't baptize animals do we", he argued. > > > After having this discussion, I went home and > baptized my animals. Ha Ha Ha! > My family thought I was crazy, but they helped. > I decided to draw the line at mammals, > not humans. I don't eat mammals of any kind. > I eat only fish and fowl. > We all draw the line somewhere, ehh? > > () Bob Namaste, Yes I also had a long discussion about souls in animals with a catholic priest and he admitted they had souls but were not similar to human souls and died with the animal. Its all very interesting stuff. It seems they believe the animal souls are not immortal which is somewhat contradictory. However if they are unknowingly referring to the vijnanamayakosa as the soul then they could be right in their assumptions.........ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Yes...it seems to be a "human" only soul. If an alien landed in a space craft, would they then say it has no soul because it is not human? Baptism seems strange too. Why can someone else baptize you and change your status with god and heaven? My wife and I had an argument over it, she said I don't have the power to baptize because I have not studied to be a priest. Hmmmmm...They have a magical power? Namaste, () Bob The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 , Robert Lippert <rslippert> wrote: > Yes...it seems to be a "human" only soul. > If an alien landed in a space craft, > would they then say it has no soul > because it is not human? > > Baptism seems strange too. > Why can someone else baptize you and > change your status with god and heaven? > My wife and I had an argument over it, > she said I don't have the power to baptize > because I have not studied to be a priest. > Hmmmmm...They have a magical power? > > Namaste, () Bob Namaste Bob, I think this human soul thing with the christians goes back to other traditions. Probably the descent of the kumaras and sons of heaven, Adam etc. Now its all garbled.......ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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