Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 hi, did anyone see the movie the Mothman with Richard Gere? I don't belive in karma, I see "It" happen and hit at random and usually hit the weakest link; the currency is suffering...and I saw strange "sacrifices", deaths happen around; before & after powerful satsangs and this always puzzled me who: "pays" for the *awakening* of ¿¿¿ Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 I saw parts of the movie (forget the name) where Richard Gere falls in love in Julia Roberts. In the movie Julia Roberts plays the role of a prostitute and Richard Gere knows it but still falls in love with her because he is a Buddhist. I think Richard Gere pays for most of the awakenings in California where he lives. He is a follower of Dalai Lama and wants Tibet freed. I don't know who is paying for awakenings on the East Coast. Maybe Tom Cruise or that guy who sank during the Titanic movie to save his girlfriend who lived to be 103 and tell the story. sat_karta wrote: > hi, > > did anyone see the movie the Mothman > with Richard Gere? > > I don't belive in karma, I see "It" > happen and hit at random and usually > hit the weakest link; the currency is > suffering...and I saw strange > "sacrifices", deaths happen around; > before & after powerful satsangs > > and this always puzzled me who: > "pays" for the *awakening* of ¿¿¿ > > Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 , professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wro= te: > I saw parts of the movie (forget the name) where Richard Gere falls in > love in Julia Roberts. In the movie Julia Roberts plays the role of a > prostitute and Richard Gere knows it but still falls in love with her > because he is a Buddhist. > > I think Richard Gere pays for most of the awakenings in California where = > he lives. He is a follower of Dalai Lama and wants Tibet freed. > > I don't know who is paying for awakenings on the East Coast. Maybe Tom > Cruise or that guy who sank during the Titanic movie to save his > girlfriend who lived to be 103 and tell the story. > > > sat_karta@h... wrote: > > > hi, > > > > did anyone see the movie the Mothman > > with Richard Gere? > > > > I don't belive in karma, I see "It" > > happen and hit at random and usually > > hit the weakest link; the currency is > > suffering...and I saw strange > > "sacrifices", deaths happen around; > > before & after powerful satsangs > > > > and this always puzzled me who: > > "pays" for the *awakening* of ¿¿¿ > > > > Karta yes, he is a Buddhist..I think New York is Woody Allan land The Mothman Prophecies are based on supposedly true events. John Klein (Richard Gere) is a respected Washington journalist being driven home by his wife when they are involved in an extraordinary accident Mary slams on the brakes although there is nothing in the road and, tragically, she dies. When clearing away his dead wife's effects, Klein finds a pad of line drawings showing a strange giant moth-like creature. Some time later he is driving from Washington to Richmond on an assignment and ends up lost on a deserted highway. His car inexplicably breaks down and he walks to a nearby house only to find that he is now in Point Pleasant which is some four hundred miles away. The have been several sightings of a strange moth-man in the vicinity similar to his wife's drawings and he decides to stay and investigate. Little does he know that a serious tragedy is about to befall the community. This is a strange film made in a X-Files style as the reporter investigates the strange manifestations of the Mothman. He even speaks with the creature and his dead wife appears part way through the film. Local residents have dreams and predict future disasters. He is tormented and filled with dread but de does not know why until the final dramatic climax. This is a very well made film which we can recommend to anyone interested in the supernatural and explicable. K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 sat_karta wrote: > > This is a very well made film which > we can recommend to anyone interested > in the supernatural and explicable. > > K > Thanks. Are you part of a movie critic team? What other movies would your group recommend to us? Maybe you can list the top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 , professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > > sat_karta@h... wrote: > > > > > This is a very well made film which > > we can recommend to anyone interested > > in the supernatural and explicable. > > > > K > > > Thanks. Are you part of a movie critic team? What other movies would > your group recommend to us? Maybe you can list the top 5. hi Prof, slopy day; I forgot to add the Url for the movie critic <http://zaaaaaap.tripod.com/mothman.html> I wanted input on the 'karma' side of the movie As I understood it: disasters happened many people died and 1 seemed to *Wake up* in syncronicity with these events. Something to do with the balance.. the Tao is my huntch but I was hoping the wise ones wil comment on this My taste in movies is European..like Amelie etc Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 , professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > I saw parts of the movie (forget the name) where Richard Gere falls in > love in Julia Roberts. In the movie Julia Roberts plays the role of a > prostitute and Richard Gere knows it but still falls in love with her > because he is a Buddhist. > > I think Richard Gere pays for most of the awakenings in California where > he lives. He is a follower of Dalai Lama and wants Tibet freed. > > I don't know who is paying for awakenings on the East Coast. Maybe Tom > Cruise or that guy who sank during the Titanic movie to save his > girlfriend who lived to be 103 and tell the story. > This is the most garbled movie review i have ever read and it was Leonardo DiCaprio who sank the Titanic. You might rent a movie sometimes H. and catch up a little. Butter some popcorn. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Thanks Karta. This is Harsha. I am just in the middle of an ISP change and so am using this new e-mail address. I just wanted to make sure you weren't going weird on us when you asked, "If someone awakens, who pays." It sounded like you were suggesting when someone awakens, there are earthquakes and tornadoes and the Titanic sinks. I thought perhaps the suggestion was that if everyone stays asleep and ignorant, life is more peaceful and blissful which didn't make sense to me. Anyway, I am not much into movies. I used to like Frazier and Seinfeldt and can speak meaningfully on the symbolism in the Little Red Riding Hood (with Big Wolf). Is anyone here into the show Sponge Bob? Love, Harsha sat_karta wrote: > , professorhkl > <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > > > > sat_karta@h... wrote: > > > > > > > > This is a very well made film which > > > we can recommend to anyone interested > > > in the supernatural and explicable. > > > > > > K > > > > > Thanks. Are you part of a movie critic team? What other movies would > > your group recommend to us? Maybe you can list the top 5. > > hi Prof, slopy day; I forgot to add > the Url for the movie critic > > <http://zaaaaaap.tripod.com/mothman.html> > > I wanted input on the 'karma' side > of the movie > > As I understood it: disasters happened > many people died and 1 seemed to > *Wake up* in syncronicity with these > events. Something to do with the > balance.. the Tao is my huntch but I > was hoping the wise ones wil comment > on this > > My taste in movies is European..like > Amelie etc > > Karta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Bigbobgraham (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: This is the most garbled movie review i have ever read and it was Leonardo DiCaprio who sank the Titanic. Leonardo didn't sink the Titanic Bobby. The big sharp ice cube in the sea sank the Titanic. Leonardo froze because he gave his girl friend the floating boat when the Titanic sank. He could not get on it because they were not married and back then society was strict with that sort of thing. You might rent a movie sometimes H. and catch up a little. Butter some popcorn. Any good ones out there? I like happy endings and good songs like that movie "To sir with love" with June Carter (who married Johnny later) and Sid Potter). Sid was also in that movie with Tracy Hepburn in " guess what you are having for lunch today" Thanks Bobby for the memories - or whatever I have left.. Love, Harsha Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > Thanks Karta. This is Harsha. I am just in the middle of an ISP change > and so am using this new e-mail address. I just wanted to make sure you > weren't going weird on us when you asked, "If someone awakens, who > pays." It sounded like you were suggesting when someone awakens, there > are earthquakes and tornadoes and the Titanic sinks. I thought perhaps > the suggestion was that if everyone stays asleep and ignorant, life is > more peaceful and blissful which didn't make sense to me. Hi Harsha, yes, that was my question, as I had a hunch, by witnessing what I did, that the *Realized* dearones going for enlightenment are selfish and at times: they abuse the sidhas, what is against balance: the Tao, the Whole, the Gaia, against nature. I would not stand by this hunch so I put it to the test of -wisdom Karta > Love, > Harsha > > > > sat_karta@h... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very well made film which > > > > we can recommend to anyone interested > > > > in the supernatural and explicable. > > > > > > > > K > > > > > > > Thanks. Are you part of a movie critic team? What other movies would > > > your group recommend to us? Maybe you can list the top 5. > > > > hi Prof, slopy day; I forgot to add > > the Url for the movie critic > > > > <http://zaaaaaap.tripod.com/mothman.html> > > > > I wanted input on the 'karma' side > > of the movie > > > > As I understood it: disasters happened > > many people died and 1 seemed to > > *Wake up* in syncronicity with these > > events. Something to do with the > > balance.. the Tao is my huntch but I > > was hoping the wise ones wil comment > > on this > > > > My taste in movies is European..like > > Amelie etc > > > > Karta > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 sat_karta (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > Thanks Karta. This is Harsha. I am just in the middle of an ISP change > and so am using this new e-mail address. I just wanted to make sure you > weren't going weird on us when you asked, "If someone awakens, who > pays." It sounded like you were suggesting when someone awakens, there > are earthquakes and tornadoes and the Titanic sinks. I thought perhaps > the suggestion was that if everyone stays asleep and ignorant, life is > more peaceful and blissful which didn't make sense to me. Hi Harsha, yes, that was my question, as I had a hunch, by witnessing what I did, that the *Realized* dearones going for enlightenment are selfish and at times: they abuse the sidhas, what is against balance: the Tao, the Whole, the Gaia, against nature. I would not stand by this hunch so I put it to the test of -wisdom Karta Dear Karta, Perhaps you can elaborate more on what you witnessed. Also it is not clear what you mean when you say that "when "Realized" ones abuse the Sidhas, that is against balance". Perhaps you mean siddhis and not siddhas. Siddhas (with an a) refers to yogis with supernatural powers. Siddhis (with an i) refers to the those powers. Sri Ramana has spoken very clearly on the use of siddhis and has stated that it is all workings of the mind and that the use of siddhis means nothing in terms of enlightenment. In fact the use of siddhis may be indicative of ignorance as the person is trying to demonstrate his power to "another" and thus strengthening the sense of ego. Patanjali has mentioned various siddhis that may develop in the practice of yoga. Some can come about through the use of certain herbs as well. A true spiritual aspirant or a Self-Realized master can have no special interest in such things. When my teacher was mostly silent for 5 years and meditating, he started "knowing" things about people who came to visit him. His teacher told him that while that is natural, it is always best to keep quiet. Some siddhis are the result of certain yamas and niyamas (see Patanjali's yoga sutras). Yoga Shastras mention Vak (speech) Siddhi where whatever a person utters becomes true. This comes to those people who are always truthful in their speech (perhaps years or life times). The theory is that a person who is always truthful is in such harmony with the universe that even when something is uttered by that person unconsciously, it becomes true. Similarly, those who have practiced nonviolence for long periods, perhaps many lives, in their presence even predators and natural enemies are said to become calm and peaceful So, there are many explanations about these things for those who are interested. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 , professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > sat_karta@h... wrote: > > > professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > > > > > Thanks Karta. This is Harsha. I am just in the middle of an ISP change > > > and so am using this new e-mail address. I just wanted to make sure you > > > weren't going weird on us when you asked, "If someone awakens, who > > > pays." It sounded like you were suggesting when someone awakens, there > > > are earthquakes and tornadoes and the Titanic sinks. I thought perhaps > > > the suggestion was that if everyone stays asleep and ignorant, life is > > > more peaceful and blissful which didn't make sense to me. > > > > > > Hi Harsha, yes, that was my question, > > as I had a hunch, by witnessing > > what I did, that the *Realized* > > dearones going for enlightenment > > are selfish and at times: they abuse > > the sidhas, what is against balance: > > the Tao, the Whole, the Gaia, against > > nature. > > > > I would not stand by this hunch so > > I put it to the test of -wisdom > > > > Karta > > > Dear Karta, > > Perhaps you can elaborate more on what you witnessed. Also it is not > clear what you mean when you say that "when "Realized" ones abuse the > Sidhas, that is against balance". Perhaps you mean siddhis and not > siddhas. Siddhas (with an a) refers to yogis with supernatural powers. > Siddhis (with an i) refers to the those powers. > > Sri Ramana has spoken very clearly on the use of siddhis and has stated > that it is all workings of the mind and that the use of siddhis means > nothing in terms of enlightenment. In fact the use of siddhis may be > indicative of ignorance as the person is trying to demonstrate his power > to "another" and thus strengthening the sense of ego. > > Patanjali has mentioned various siddhis that may develop in the practice > of yoga. Some can come about through the use of certain herbs as well. A > true spiritual aspirant or a Self-Realized master can have no special > interest in such things. > > When my teacher was mostly silent for 5 years and meditating, he started > "knowing" things about people who came to visit him. His teacher told > him that while that is natural, it is always best to keep quiet. > > Some siddhis are the result of certain yamas and niyamas (see > Patanjali's yoga sutras). Yoga Shastras mention Vak (speech) Siddhi > where whatever a person utters becomes true. This comes to those people > who are always truthful in their speech (perhaps years or life times). > The theory is that a person who is always truthful is in such harmony > with the universe that even when something is uttered by that person > unconsciously, it becomes true. Similarly, those who have practiced > nonviolence for long periods, perhaps many lives, in their presence even > predators and natural enemies are said to become calm and peaceful So, > there are many explanations about these things for those who are interested. > > Love to all > Harsha I agree with all of the above, Harsha but if you have not seen the Mothman I can't put it in words what my notion is, the movie itself was vague and the "whole" subject is beyond language too. [english is my second language <grin>] peace, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 , "If someone awakens, who > pays." It sounded like you were suggesting when someone awakens, there > are earthquakes and tornadoes and the Titanic sinks. I thought perhaps > the suggestion was that if everyone stays asleep and ignorant, life is > more peaceful and blissful which didn't make sense to me. > > > > Hi Harsha, OH! No, I did not suggest that!-- I belive in a spiritual evolution, but I was corrected on that too.. In the move there is a sentence which stuck with me: "we are more evolved than cockroaches, but try to explain to them what is happening" paraphrasing This was stated as an answer from a scientist of paranormal to Gere who asked the question.. what I am also asking here Karta > Love to all > Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 sat_karta (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: , professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > sat_karta@h... wrote: > > > professorhkl <professorhkl@n...> wrote: > > > > > Thanks Karta. This is Harsha. I am just in the middle of an ISP change > > > and so am using this new e-mail address. I just wanted to make sure you > > > weren't going weird on us when you asked, "If someone awakens, who > > > pays." It sounded like you were suggesting when someone awakens, there > > > are earthquakes and tornadoes and the Titanic sinks. I thought perhaps > > > the suggestion was that if everyone stays asleep and ignorant, life is > > > more peaceful and blissful which didn't make sense to me. > > > > > > Hi Harsha, yes, that was my question, > > as I had a hunch, by witnessing > > what I did, that the *Realized* > > dearones going for enlightenment > > are selfish and at times: they abuse > > the sidhas, what is against balance: > > the Tao, the Whole, the Gaia, against > > nature. > > > > I would not stand by this hunch so > > I put it to the test of -wisdom > > > > Karta > > > Dear Karta, > > Perhaps you can elaborate more on what you witnessed. Also it is not > clear what you mean when you say that "when "Realized" ones abuse the > Sidhas, that is against balance". Perhaps you mean siddhis and not > siddhas. Siddhas (with an a) refers to yogis with supernatural powers. > Siddhis (with an i) refers to the those powers. > > Sri Ramana has spoken very clearly on the use of siddhis and has stated > that it is all workings of the mind and that the use of siddhis means > nothing in terms of enlightenment. In fact the use of siddhis may be > indicative of ignorance as the person is trying to demonstrate his power > to "another" and thus strengthening the sense of ego. > > Patanjali has mentioned various siddhis that may develop in the practice > of yoga. Some can come about through the use of certain herbs as well. A > true spiritual aspirant or a Self-Realized master can have no special > interest in such things. > > When my teacher was mostly silent for 5 years and meditating, he started > "knowing" things about people who came to visit him. His teacher told > him that while that is natural, it is always best to keep quiet. > > Some siddhis are the result of certain yamas and niyamas (see > Patanjali's yoga sutras). Yoga Shastras mention Vak (speech) Siddhi > where whatever a person utters becomes true. This comes to those people > who are always truthful in their speech (perhaps years or life times). > The theory is that a person who is always truthful is in such harmony > with the universe that even when something is uttered by that person > unconsciously, it becomes true. Similarly, those who have practiced > nonviolence for long periods, perhaps many lives, in their presence even > predators and natural enemies are said to become calm and peaceful So, > there are many explanations about these things for those who are interested. > > Love to all > Harsha I agree with all of the above, Harsha but if you have not seen the Mothman I can't put it in words what my notion is, the movie itself was vague and the "whole" subject is beyond language too. [english is my second language <grin>] peace, Karta Karta, I have seen "Sounds of Music" and another movie which we can talk about if you would like. It was where Cary Grant is a bum painter and falls in love with this woman on a post Titanic cruise. They promise to meet at the top of a really tall building at a future date. Unfortunately the woman gets run over by a car just prior to meeting Cary and has to be rushed to the local hospital so they don't get to meet. Cary is very disappointed and heart broken and wonders what happened. Later somehow they are reunited because the woman buys one of Cary's paintings by mistake. Cary recognizes her and asks her if she is the same person who promised to meet him on the top of a tall building. The women admits that it is her. It was all very very sad but really really good. Talking about painters reminds me of our own painters here in the sangha Bobby and Shawn and Jill. Anyway, wide awake in Seattle was a recent remake of that movie. The plot was a little different because in that movie the hero was a widower with a son. But you had the same tall building. Peace to you too Karta. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 > > > > peace, Karta > > > Karta, I have seen "Sounds of Music" and another movie which we can talk > about if you would like. It was where Cary Grant is a bum painter and > falls in love with this woman on a post Titanic cruise. They promise to > meet at the top of a really tall building at a future date. > Unfortunately the woman gets run over by a car just prior to meeting > Cary and has to be rushed to the local hospital so they don't get to > meet. Cary is very disappointed and heart broken and wonders what > happened. Later somehow they are reunited because the woman buys one of > Cary's paintings by mistake. Cary recognizes her and asks her if she is > the same person who promised to meet him on the top of a tall building. > The women admits that it is her. It was all very very sad but really > really good. Talking about painters reminds me of our own painters here > in the sangha Bobby and Shawn and Jill. > > Anyway, wide awake in Seattle was a recent remake of that movie. The > plot was a little different because in that movie the hero was a widower > with a son. But you had the same tall building. > > Peace to you too Karta. > Harsha come on H. Rent Mothman, it's good. Get it and the "Sixth Sense" With Bruceji and "The Others" with Nickel Kidman. Make it an all nighter with "The Ring" (brrr) and the crop circles thing with Mel- san. That should set the chill bumps in permanent stone for you. Movies in America is a way of life. Hooked Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > > > > > peace, Karta > > > > > Karta, I have seen "Sounds of Music" and another movie which we can > talk > > about if you would like. It was where Cary Grant is a bum painter > and > > falls in love with this woman on a post Titanic cruise. They > promise to > > meet at the top of a really tall building at a future date. > > Unfortunately the woman gets run over by a car just prior to > meeting > > Cary and has to be rushed to the local hospital so they don't get > to > > meet. Cary is very disappointed and heart broken and wonders what > > happened. Later somehow they are reunited because the woman buys > one of > > Cary's paintings by mistake. Cary recognizes her and asks her if > she is > > the same person who promised to meet him on the top of a tall > building. > > The women admits that it is her. It was all very very sad but > really > > really good. Talking about painters reminds me of our own painters > here > > in the sangha Bobby and Shawn and Jill. > > > > Anyway, wide awake in Seattle was a recent remake of that movie. > The > > plot was a little different because in that movie the hero was a > widower > > with a son. But you had the same tall building. > > > > Peace to you too Karta. > > Harsha > > come on H. Rent Mothman, it's good. Get it and the "Sixth Sense" > With Bruceji and "The Others" with Nickel Kidman. Make it an all > nighter with "The Ring" (brrr) and the crop circles thing with Mel- > san. > > That should set the chill bumps in permanent stone for you. Movies > in America is a way of life. > > Hooked > Bobby G. I would add to this list Artificial Intelligence by Spielberg I think I saw the movie Harsha mentioned but with Hanks and Meg [a Ramesh groupie] peace, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 , "satkartar5" <sat_karta@h...> wrote: > , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > peace, Karta Namaste, Actually tv isn't so bad either. James van Pragh's 'Beyond Show' on Fox is quite good. the url is beyondshow.com and vanpragh has his own site as well. Gives a good impression of the vital and lower astral 'heavens'. Most psychics are dubious but he seems to be about 90% which is good batting. The mothman is a visitor from the extreme lower astrals, harking back to pre human forms etc. IMO...........ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > > Namaste, > > Actually tv isn't so bad either. James van Pragh's 'Beyond Show' on > Fox is quite good. the url is beyondshow.com and vanpragh has his own > site as well. Gives a good impression of the vital and lower > astral 'heavens'. Most psychics are dubious but he seems to be about > 90% which is good batting. > > The mothman is a visitor from the extreme lower astrals, harking back > to pre human forms etc. IMO...........ONS....Tony. hi Tony, astral heavens and the Bardo are created and upheld by the meditating minds of mystics THEY DO NOT EXIST in reality else, than that Karta these pshychics are just milking it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 Movies are created and upheld by the writers minds etc., and the moviegoersTHEY DO NOT EXIST in reality else,than that : ) Alan Attachment: (image/jpeg) i2.JPG [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 They DO exist in reality and are a part of reality, and what makes 'reality' what IT IS. Movies are created and upheld by the writers minds etc., and the moviegoersTHEY DO NOT EXIST in reality else,than that : ) Alan The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 , "satkartar5" <sat_karta@h...> wrote: > "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Actually tv isn't so bad either. James van Pragh's 'Beyond Show' on > > Fox is quite good. the url is beyondshow.com and vanpragh has his own > > site as well. Gives a good impression of the vital and lower > > astral 'heavens'. Most psychics are dubious but he seems to be about > > 90% which is good batting. > > > > The mothman is a visitor from the extreme lower astrals, harking back > > to pre human forms etc. IMO...........ONS....Tony. > > hi Tony, astral heavens and the > Bardo are created and upheld > by the meditating minds of mystics > > THEY DO NOT EXIST in reality else, > than that > > Karta > > these pshychics are just milking it Hi Karta. Good Point. Prehaps you agree that the minds creation is superimposed over a potential for that superimposition. This would be a prestate that is misnamed "reality". Misnamed because nothing can not exist as a structure or a part of a structure without the mind. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 Also else than that? Of course the media itself is a part of reality. But a thousand years from now, a really bad film, the story forgotten by everyone, is the story still part of reality? If it is, will the story cease to be when the media is destroyed? I don't know, it propably depends on definitions. Alan - Scott Andersen Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:25 PM Re: Re: the Mothman They DO exist in reality and are a part of reality, and what makes 'reality' what IT IS. Movies are created and upheld by the writers minds etc., and the moviegoersTHEY DO NOT EXIST in reality else,than that : ) Alan The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. /join The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 Yes, it will *still* be a part of reality. Reality is a continuum not a line segment. Below is something a bit unrelated but it might help explain my point of view. Kind Regards, Scott. The ONE movie; Everything that can be done, will be done, or has been done has already been done. Everything that can be done, will be done or has been done is also in the process of *BECOMING* even though it has already BEEN done. The box office is closed and there are no new or different movies being run, there is only the one. The one movie is all the things that can be done, will be done, or have been done; there is no movie other than this movie. Not only is the box office closed, there was only one movie choice to begin with. There are those things that participate in the movie i.e 'you' and 'me' etc and there is the movie itself; but there is only the one movie. 'You' and 'me' are part of the movie but not the movie itself. The movie itself is on a reel of tape enclosed in a sealed container, and is in the process of BECOMING 'when' it runs. As time bound humans we do as we must and consider what our destiny is; We share the same destiny as everyTHING, To go from 'ourselves' REFLECTING all that is to 'ourselves' BEING all that is. Also else than that? Of course the media itself is a part of reality. But a thousand years from now, a really bad film, the story forgotten by everyone, is the story still part of reality? If it is, will the story cease to be when the media is destroyed? I don't know, it propably depends on definitions. Alan - Scott Andersen Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:25 PM Re: Re: the Mothman They DO exist in reality and are a part of reality, and what makes 'reality' what IT IS. Movies are created and upheld by the writers minds etc., and the moviegoersTHEY DO NOT EXIST in reality else,than that : ) Alan The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. /join The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject to the /join The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject to the The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 on 4/27/03 11:34 AM, Al Larus at alarus wrote: > Also else than that? > Of course the media itself is a part of reality. > But a thousand years from now, a really bad film, the story forgotten by > everyone, is the story still part of reality? > If it is, will the story cease to be when the media is destroyed? > I don't know, it propably depends on definitions. > > Alan What??!!! No beautiful photo? Who are you and what did you do with Alan? ))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Actually tv isn't so bad either. James van Pragh's 'Beyond Show' > on > > > Fox is quite good. the url is beyondshow.com and vanpragh has his > own > > > site as well. Gives a good impression of the vital and lower > > > astral 'heavens'. Most psychics are dubious but he seems to be > about > > > 90% which is good batting. > > > > > > The mothman is a visitor from the extreme lower astrals, harking > back > > > to pre human forms etc. IMO...........ONS....Tony. > > > > K: hi Tony, astral heavens and the > > Bardo are created and upheld > > by the meditating minds of mystics > > > > THEY DO NOT EXIST in reality else, > > than that > > > > these pshychics are just milking it > > Hi Karta. Good Point. Prehaps you agree that the minds creation is > superimposed over a potential for that superimposition. This would > be a prestate that is misnamed "reality". Misnamed because nothing > can not exist as a structure or a part of a structure without the > mind. I dunnno, Bobby I was raised in communist Hungary in dialectical materialist thought of George Lukacs. My understanding of reality is warped I am trained in the surat shabd yoga or astral travel so I had couple arguments about the validity of "inner-vistas" in meditation present at "planes" astral, mental causal etc My point was always, that these are side show should be not sought after and it is a part of the psyche purging the unconscious. A mystic always said that he sees wondrous vistas and that they are "real" [wathever that means] I told him the same as hear that those vistas and he Bardo are created and dreamed up by previous mystics.. Inner-planes are supposedly mapped up and meditators can check each other regarding their "level" of ¿¿¿¿ so I could be wrong... Love, Karta > > Love > Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 , "satkartar5" <sat_karta@h...> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Actually tv isn't so bad either. James van Pragh's 'Beyond Show' > > on > > > > Fox is quite good. the url is beyondshow.com and vanpragh has his > > own > > > > site as well. Gives a good impression of the vital and lower > > > > astral 'heavens'. Most psychics are dubious but he seems to be > > about > > > > 90% which is good batting. > > > > > > > > The mothman is a visitor from the extreme lower astrals, harking > > back > > > > to pre human forms etc. IMO...........ONS....Tony. > > > > > > K: hi Tony, astral heavens and the > > > Bardo are created and upheld > > > by the meditating minds of mystics > > > > > > THEY DO NOT EXIST in reality else, > > > than that > > > > > > these pshychics are just milking it > > > > Hi Karta. Good Point. Prehaps you agree that the minds creation is > > superimposed over a potential for that superimposition. This would > > be a prestate that is misnamed "reality". Misnamed because nothing > > can not exist as a structure or a part of a structure without the > > mind. > > > I dunnno, Bobby I was raised in > communist Hungary in dialectical > materialist thought of George Lukacs. > My understanding of reality is warped > > I am trained in the surat shabd yoga > or astral travel so I had couple > arguments about the validity of "inner-vistas" in meditation present > at "planes" astral, mental causal etc > My point was always, that these are > side show should be not sought after > and it is a part of the psyche > purging the unconscious. > > A mystic always said that he sees > wondrous vistas and that they are > "real" [wathever that means] I told > him the same as hear that those > vistas and he Bardo are created and > dreamed up by previous mystics.. > > Inner-planes are supposedly mapped > up and meditators can check each > other regarding their "level" of ¿¿¿¿ > > so I could be wrong... > > Love, Karta > > > > > > Love > > Bobby G. I see what You mean Karta. You clarified a point for people who consider those kind of things. My answer was garbled by a double negative and did not make sense. My apologies. As a young man I heard about this astral travel thing. A fellow I met said he could help me do it with a hypnotic suggestion. I submitted and he gave me a word to go under in self-hypnosis. For weeks I went under deeper and deeper until I tried his technique for astral travel. I dropped out of my body. (I think I should have risen). I fell out of control and became frightened and snapped back. Something really out there happened but it was beyond my control. I did not do it again. Maybe that is too bad. No, it is my opinion today that the mental structure by which one explains the mind's workings is what allows for a broadening of scope in what follows or a narrowing. The astral travel explanation is a narrowing. I'm glad I waited and built up a better understanding. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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