Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Namaste All, IMO. There is free will but it is predetermined. In other words the decision you make is the one you were going to make anyway. For there is no time, spiritually or scientifically, everything in the dream happens at once. We have the illusion of free will to make a choice so leaning karma etc. With regard to an earlier discussion on souls, and the Christian and Catholic churches claiming animals don't have immortal souls. I feel they do this to feel superior to animals, and could kill and eat them. Even western philosophers like Descarte thought animals were just machines. However Jeremy Bentham the founder of Utilitarianism said it is not a matter whether animals can think but can they feel that is important. For judging a soul on intellect only would leave some low intelligence humans, mentally ill ones, and retarded ones in a IQ category lower than apes and dogs, pigs etc.......ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > Namaste All, IMO. > > There is free will but it is predetermined. In other words the > decision you make is the one you were going to make anyway. > For there is no time, spiritually or scientifically, everything in > the dream happens at once. > We have the illusion of free will to make a choice so leaning karma > etc. > > With regard to an earlier discussion on souls, and the Christian and > Catholic churches claiming animals don't have immortal souls. I feel > they do this to feel superior to animals, and could kill and eat > them. Even western philosophers like Descarte thought animals were > just machines. > However Jeremy Bentham the founder of Utilitarianism said it is not a > matter whether animals can think but can they feel that is important. > For judging a soul on intellect only would leave some low > intelligence humans, mentally ill ones, and retarded ones in a IQ > category lower than apes and dogs, pigs etc.......ONS....Tony. devi: tony, i was shocked that you posted that anti sai baba website. i felt so bad for that fellow who obviously thinks highly of him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 : ) Alan Attachment: (image/jpeg) odd.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Dear Al, Thank you for the wonderful images you post to this group! It had been in the back of mind to say thank you before this, but it was the M.C. Escher flock that finally helped me overcome the inertia! What fun! :-) Love, Shams .................................................................."No one is exempt from talking nonsense; the mistake is to do it solemnly." -- Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, French essayist (1533-1592)"Mynd yøu, møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti..." - Al Larus Friday, May 09, 2003 9:57 PM Re: Free Will, animal souls etc : ) Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Hi Alan - An absolutely stunning photo. Wow! love and peace to all, joyce , "Al Larus" <erilarend> wrote: > > > > > > : ) > > > Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Yes, along with Joyce may I add how stunning that photo is....thank you, Alan! Love, Carol - know_mystery Friday, May 09, 2003 10:29 PM Re: Free Will, animal souls etc Hi Alan -An absolutely stunning photo. Wow!love and peace to all,joyce, "Al Larus" <erilarend> wrote:> > > > > > : )> > > Alan/join The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Its a painting probably or an animated photo maybe, I found it somewhere propably with google picture search and saved it on my disk : ) Alan - Dale and Carol Wade Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:42 AM Re: Re: Free Will, animal souls etc Yes, along with Joyce may I add how stunning that photo is....thank you, Alan! Love, Carol - know_mystery Friday, May 09, 2003 10:29 PM Re: Free Will, animal souls etc Hi Alan -An absolutely stunning photo. Wow!love and peace to all,joyce, "Al Larus" <erilarend> wrote:> > > > > > : )> > > Alan/join The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject to the /join The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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