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Namaste All, IMO.

 

There is free will but it is predetermined. In other words the

decision you make is the one you were going to make anyway.

For there is no time, spiritually or scientifically, everything in

the dream happens at once.

We have the illusion of free will to make a choice so leaning karma

etc.

 

With regard to an earlier discussion on souls, and the Christian and

Catholic churches claiming animals don't have immortal souls. I feel

they do this to feel superior to animals, and could kill and eat

them. Even western philosophers like Descarte thought animals were

just machines.

However Jeremy Bentham the founder of Utilitarianism said it is not a

matter whether animals can think but can they feel that is important.

For judging a soul on intellect only would leave some low

intelligence humans, mentally ill ones, and retarded ones in a IQ

category lower than apes and dogs, pigs etc.......ONS....Tony.

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, "saktidasa" <saktidasa>

wrote:

> Namaste All, IMO.

>

> There is free will but it is predetermined. In other words the

> decision you make is the one you were going to make anyway.

> For there is no time, spiritually or scientifically, everything in

> the dream happens at once.

> We have the illusion of free will to make a choice so leaning karma

> etc.

>

> With regard to an earlier discussion on souls, and the Christian

and

> Catholic churches claiming animals don't have immortal souls. I

feel

> they do this to feel superior to animals, and could kill and eat

> them. Even western philosophers like Descarte thought animals were

> just machines.

> However Jeremy Bentham the founder of Utilitarianism said it is not

a

> matter whether animals can think but can they feel that is

important.

> For judging a soul on intellect only would leave some low

> intelligence humans, mentally ill ones, and retarded ones in a IQ

> category lower than apes and dogs, pigs etc.......ONS....Tony.

 

devi: tony, i was shocked that you posted that anti sai baba website.

i felt so bad for that fellow who obviously thinks highly of him..

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Dear Al,

Thank you for the wonderful images you post to this group! It had

been in the back of mind to say thank you before this, but it was the

M.C. Escher flock that finally helped me overcome the inertia! What

fun! :-)

Love,

Shams

.................................................................."No

one is exempt from talking nonsense; the mistake is to do it

solemnly." -- Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, French essayist

(1533-1592)"Mynd yøu, møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti..."

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Al Larus

Friday, May 09, 2003 9:57 PM

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Alan

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Hi Alan -

 

An absolutely stunning photo. Wow!

 

love and peace to all,

joyce

 

 

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Yes, along with Joyce may I add how stunning that photo is....thank you, Alan!

Love, Carol

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know_mystery

Friday, May 09, 2003 10:29 PM

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Hi Alan -An absolutely stunning photo. Wow!love and peace to

all,joyce, "Al Larus"

<erilarend> wrote:> > > > > > : )> > >

Alan/join

The Heart is

the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject

to the

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Its a painting probably or an animated photo maybe,

I found it somewhere propably with google picture search and saved it on my disk : )

Alan

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Dale and Carol Wade

Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:42 AM

Re: Re: Free Will, animal souls etc

Yes, along with Joyce may I add how stunning that photo is....thank you, Alan!

Love, Carol

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know_mystery

Friday, May 09, 2003 10:29 PM

Re: Free Will, animal souls etc

Hi Alan -An absolutely stunning photo. Wow!love and peace to

all,joyce, "Al Larus"

<erilarend> wrote:> > > > > > : )> > >

Alan/join

The Heart is

the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject

to the

/join

The Heart is

the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject

to the

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