Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 When something angers me, I put it into perspective by thinking of the 100 billion stars in out Milkyway galaxy and, thinking of the 100 billion galaxies in our vast universe and thinking how these galaxies and stars only represent .01% of the matter and are just little local swirls or cusps in the vastness of the greater dark matter, And how our entire world Earth in this is nothing, it is soooo^2 insignificant, And I become in total humility about it; And then I am no longer angry. (), Silip P'ak Paw (Full Moon Piercing Clouds) --- kheyalove <kheyala wrote: > , > "satkartar5" <sat_karta@h...> > wrote: > <snip> > > > > For me reading ignorance is painful, > > I don't know how to ignore them > > either; one way would be to get off > > line, but I meet many insightful > > people too > > > > > > > > > > There must be something about your > impulsiveness that you > like. > > > Maybe you like to be angry. It is a > > > pleasurable feeling. > > > > NO I HATE IT!! > > > > > Not so much > > > later when you have to extract yourself > from the results. > > > > > > If you Forgive your transgressors you get > > a similar release. > > > > > > with me it is not a matter of > > forgiveness, Bobby. I am not mad > > at a person at all just at the > > ignorance. I was always rebellious > > and when I am bullied with and > > drilled into stupidity I just rebel > > against it > > > > Love, Karta > > > > > > > > Love > > > Bobby G. > > > Hi you guys, > > A little inquiry, here: > > Isn't the rebelliousness to the ignorance just > further ignorance? > And isn't the fact that we already know that, > the true reason for our > anger? > > So it really isn't the ignorance of others that > is so painful....it > is actually our own resistance to it, right? > And if we can observe > our own resistance (even when it's enormous, > 'cause Silence is always > bigger and always wins in the end), which is > Wisdom, then we don't > have to perpetuate the ignorance by broiling > internally or saying or > doing anything that we will later regret. > > Just discovering this in this moment, myself, > > Kheyala > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Namaste, I suggest reading J. Krishnamurti on Anger. He has made an excellent analyis of anger. According to him the anger that results due to indignation or coming out of a sudden reaction is acceptable. But the 'deep resentment ' over things stored in the brain somewhere explodes suddenly in people. He says this is the bad one. The one to be condemned . If you really think about it, we walk away from so many things because we are annoyed at it and are unable to change it. We are actualy angry. But we are unable to change the situation. It naturally leaves an impression on the mind. This is stored away. Similar such happenings keep on accumulating and at some point we burst forth with full intensity from the giant store in our mind. This store of our feelings and emotions which are hidden are called 'Samskaras'. we have to accept that some are known and are accumulated in this birth. Some seem to appear out of the blue. These are from our previous births. This is not only regarding anger. But all 'mental' characteristics. Our desire for things, anger, passions, sorrow, nostalgia ... everything. I read a very wonderful book on Raja Yoga by Yogi Ramacharaka. He says : "All these mental impressions come with all sincierity. Since we evolved from the tiniest organism to the all intellctual 'man' , we have been going through these feelings. They are very much required in the lower organisms for the very survival of the species. But only man is able to analyse why he should feel these and reject them." ( i haven't quoted the exact same words. i am saying them from what i remember reading ) how do we get rid of this ? can we ever get rid of this ? The more you try to do so, it seems to get more stronger. Because we are just ignoring it for the moment. Not really killing it at the root. I think the best course is suggested by Sri Ramana Maharishi. To whom does all this arise ? Is it for you ? Are you not the pure spirit itself; which is beyond all these emotions ? Initially this seems a feeble exercise. But slowly the subtle truth asserts itself and we will finally realise that it is just the mind body equation that goes through all this, and we are merely the witness to it all!! OK. so there ends my outburst!... thought i might share my opinions with the group. Om Tat Sat Guruprasad , Robert Lippert <rslippert> wrote: > When something angers me, > I put it into perspective by > thinking of the 100 billion stars > in out Milkyway galaxy and, > thinking of the 100 billion galaxies > in our vast universe and > thinking how these galaxies and stars > only represent .01% of the matter and > are just little local swirls or cusps > in the vastness of the greater dark matter, > And how our entire world Earth in this > is nothing, it is soooo^2 insignificant, > And I become in total humility about it; > And then I am no longer angry. > > (), Silip P'ak Paw > (Full Moon Piercing Clouds) > > > > > --- kheyalove <kheyala@n...> wrote: > > , > > "satkartar5" <sat_karta@h...> > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > > For me reading ignorance is painful, > > > I don't know how to ignore them > > > either; one way would be to get off > > > line, but I meet many insightful > > > people too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There must be something about your > > impulsiveness that you > > like. > > > > Maybe you like to be angry. It is a > > > > pleasurable feeling. > > > > > > NO I HATE IT!! > > > > > > > Not so much > > > > later when you have to extract yourself > > from the results. > > > > > > > > If you Forgive your transgressors you get > > > a similar release. > > > > > > > > > with me it is not a matter of > > > forgiveness, Bobby. I am not mad > > > at a person at all just at the > > > ignorance. I was always rebellious > > > and when I am bullied with and > > > drilled into stupidity I just rebel > > > against it > > > > > > Love, Karta > > > > > > > > > > > Love > > > > Bobby G. > > > > > > Hi you guys, > > > > A little inquiry, here: > > > > Isn't the rebelliousness to the ignorance just > > further ignorance? > > And isn't the fact that we already know that, > > the true reason for our > > anger? > > > > So it really isn't the ignorance of others that > > is so painful....it > > is actually our own resistance to it, right? > > And if we can observe > > our own resistance (even when it's enormous, > > 'cause Silence is always > > bigger and always wins in the end), which is > > Wisdom, then we don't > > have to perpetuate the ignorance by broiling > > internally or saying or > > doing anything that we will later regret. > > > > Just discovering this in this moment, myself, > > > > Kheyala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote: > Namaste, > I suggest reading J. Krishnamurti on Anger. He has made an excellent > analyis of anger. According to him the anger that results due to > indignation or coming out of a sudden reaction is acceptable. But > the 'deep resentment ' over things stored in the brain somewhere > explodes suddenly in people. He says this is the bad one. The one to > be condemned . > If you really think about it, we walk away from so many things > because we are annoyed at it and are unable to change it. We are > actualy angry. But we are unable to change the situation. It > naturally leaves an impression on the mind. This is stored away. > Similar such happenings keep on accumulating and at some point we > burst forth with full intensity from the giant store in our mind. > This store of our feelings and emotions which are hidden are > called 'Samskaras'. we have to accept that some are known and are > accumulated in this birth. Some seem to appear out of the blue. > These are from our previous births. This is not only regarding > anger. But all 'mental' characteristics. Our desire for things, > anger, passions, sorrow, nostalgia ... everything. > I read a very wonderful book on Raja Yoga by Yogi Ramacharaka. He > says : > "All these mental impressions come with all sincierity. Since we > evolved from the tiniest organism to the all intellctual 'man' , we > have been going through these feelings. They are very much required > in the lower organisms for the very survival of the species. But > only man is able to analyse why he should feel these and reject > them." > > ( i haven't quoted the exact same words. i am saying them from what > i remember reading ) > > how do we get rid of this ? can we ever get rid of this ? The more > you try to do so, it seems to get more stronger. Because we are just > ignoring it for the moment. Not really killing it at the root. > I think the best course is suggested by Sri Ramana Maharishi. To > whom does all this arise ? Is it for you ? Are you not the pure > spirit itself; which is beyond all these emotions ? Initially this > seems a feeble exercise. But slowly the subtle truth asserts itself > and we will finally realise that it is just the mind body equation > that goes through all this, and we are merely the witness to it all!! > > OK. so there ends my outburst!... thought i might share my opinions > with the group. > > Om Tat Sat > Guruprasad > thanks Vedanti, a prasad in deed "Anger as such is something you don't know. You are all the time controlling, suppressing, living with or choicelessly aware--you are all the time doing something with what is not there any more. It is already gone. It is the thinking that results in hitting somebody--your child, for example-- and not the anger. You are attributing it to something that is not there any longer. That has set in motion this nonsensical movement of thought So it is not the anger but the frustration that is your problem. You are not dealing with desire. Desire is life. If you destroy desire you are destroying life. It is there--not must be there-- whether you like it or not. Have you freed yourself from desire? Don't say `good desires´, `bad desires´, `spiritual desires´ and `material desires´. They are all the same. What you are going to do with the desires is all that you are interested in." <http://www.julius.it/ugkrishnamurti/docs/UG_Quotes.asp> Love-Peace, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Hello Karta, Indeed it is desire that is the root cause of all evil. I remember this even from my school days more than 15 years ago. This line was in a short topic on Buddha in my history book. Back then I did not have a clue what this meant. But now I do. I have a confession. I use the id vedanti not because its my name or anything. Just because I took a fancy to the title over a year ago when I 'stumbled' on advaita. Got my butt kicked in advaitin group when I asked somebody to translate a sanskrit sentence he mentioned. I guess he looked at my id and thought I was familiar with sanskrit as he was!! :-) Thanks Guruprasad > thanks Vedanti, a prasad in deed > > "Anger as such is something you don't > know. You are all the time > controlling, suppressing, living > with or choicelessly aware--you are > all the time doing something with > what is not there any more. > > It is already gone. It is the > thinking that results in hitting somebody--your child, for example- - > and not the anger. You are attributing > it to something that is not there > any longer. That has set in motion > this nonsensical movement of thought > > So it is not the anger but the > frustration that is your problem. > You are not dealing with desire. > Desire is life. If you destroy > desire you are destroying life. > It is there--not must be there-- > whether you like it or not. Have > you freed yourself from desire? > Don't say `good desires´, `bad > desires´, `spiritual desires´ and > `material desires´. They are all > the same. What you are going to do > with the desires is all that you > are interested in." > > <http://www.julius.it/ugkrishnamurti/docs/UG_Quotes.asp> > > Love-Peace, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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