Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 dear tony, you wrote "My own test of a teacher these days or advice rather is; If they have a desire, even one material desire" a very classical definition and it takes a big burden off our judgment (maybe not our aim) you can use it agains ramakrishna and although is is not "my school" he was worth giving his life to what do you think tony in peace ons eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Many teachers have a desire for coffee, does that count ? : ), maybe there is 'desire', desire and even DESIRE. Alan - paroissien Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:06 AM tony has a test dear tony,you wrote"My own test of a teacher these days or advice rather is; If they have a desire, even one material desire"a very classical definitionand it takes a big burden off our judgment(maybe not our aim)you can use it agains ramakrishnaand although is is not "my school"he was worth giving his life towhat do you think tonyin peaceonseric/join The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Namaste, "My own test of a teacher these days or advice rather is; If they > have a desire, even one material desire" I think this might result in trying to find a perfect being in this imperfect world!! You may never really find such a person. In your eyes, something that looks like a desire, a deep passion for something might be a simple habit for another person. Your Raaga might be a Dwesha for another. Raaga is like and Dwesha is dislike. Let me quote Swami Vivekananda when he was asked who can be a true Guru. He said : " One who can tell your past, present and future is the true Guru " . This is from Tirumular's Tirumanthiram : They seek not the Guru who would cure their blindness They seek the Guru who would cure not their blindness Blind and the Blind dance the blind dance Until they create a pit and fall into it! Om Tat Sat Guruprasad , "Al Larus" <erilarend> wrote: > Many teachers have a desire for coffee, does that count ? : ), maybe there is 'desire', desire and even DESIRE. > > > Alan > - > paroissien > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:06 AM > tony has a test > > > dear tony, > you wrote > "My own test of a teacher these days or advice rather is; If they > have a desire, even one material desire" > > a very classical definition > and it takes a big burden off our judgment > (maybe not our aim) > > you can use it agains ramakrishna > and although is is not "my school" > he was worth giving his life to > > what do you think tony > in peace > ons > eric > > > > > Sponsor > > > > /join > > > > > > The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart. > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 , "Al Larus" <erilarend> wrote: > Many teachers have a desire for coffee, does that count ? : ), maybe there is 'desire', desire and even DESIRE. > > > Alan > - > paroissien > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:06 AM > tony has a test > > > dear tony, > you wrote > "My own test of a teacher these days or advice rather is; If they > have a desire, even one material desire" > > a very classical definition > and it takes a big burden off our judgment > (maybe not our aim) > > you can use it agains ramakrishna > and although is is not "my school" > he was worth giving his life to > > what do you think tony > in peace > ons > eric Namaste, IMO, Yes a coffee desire does eliminate a claim to being a Jivanmukti. I am referring to so many gurus who claim to be avatars or jivanmuktis etc. Most true Muktis would never make that claim in that way. In the end only one Jivanmukti can recognise another anyway. If the teachings are sound then use them good things can be taught by a bad guru.........ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 , "Al Larus" <erilarend> wrote: > Many teachers have a desire for coffee, does that count ? : ), maybe there is 'desire', desire and even DESIRE. > > > Alan > - > paroissien > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:06 AM > tony has a test > > > dear tony, > you wrote > "My own test of a teacher these days or advice rather is; If they > have a desire, even one material desire" > > a very classical definition > and it takes a big burden off our judgment > (maybe not our aim) > > you can use it agains ramakrishna > and although is is not "my school" > he was worth giving his life to > > what do you think tony > in peace > ons > eric Namaste E, I think warning or scaring people cannot be described strictly as himsa. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said,..'If you bark like a dog you don't need to bite.'...I was barking so people don't get bitten..ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > , "Al Larus" <erilarend> > wrote: > > Many teachers have a desire for coffee, does that count ? : ), > maybe there is 'desire', desire and even DESIRE. > > > > > > Alan > > - > > paroissien > > > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:06 AM > > tony has a test > > > > > > dear tony, > > you wrote > > "My own test of a teacher these days or advice rather is; If they > > have a desire, even one material desire" > > > > a very classical definition > > and it takes a big burden off our judgment > > (maybe not our aim) > > > > you can use it agains ramakrishna > > and although is is not "my school" > > he was worth giving his life to > > > > what do you think tony > > in peace > > ons > > eric > Namaste, IMO, > > Yes a coffee desire does eliminate a claim to being a Jivanmukti. I > am referring to so many gurus who claim to be avatars or jivanmuktis > etc. Most true Muktis would never make that claim in that way. > In the end only one Jivanmukti can recognise another anyway. > > If the teachings are sound then use them good things can be taught by > a bad guru.........ONS....Tony. devi: do you think it's possible that someone can be jivanmukti (desireless) and still play with desires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 , "devianandi" <devi@p...> wrote: > , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> > wrote: > > , "Al Larus" <erilarend> > > wrote: > > > Many teachers have a desire for coffee, does that count ? : ), > > maybe there is 'desire', desire and even DESIRE. > > > > > > > > > Alan > > > - > > > paroissien > > > > > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:06 AM > > > tony has a test > > > > > > > > > dear tony, > > > you wrote > > > "My own test of a teacher these days or advice rather is; If > they > > > have a desire, even one material desire" > > > > > > a very classical definition > > > and it takes a big burden off our judgment > > > (maybe not our aim) > > > > > > you can use it agains ramakrishna > > > and although is is not "my school" > > > he was worth giving his life to > > > > > > what do you think tony > > > in peace > > > ons > > > eric > > Namaste, IMO, > > > > Yes a coffee desire does eliminate a claim to being a Jivanmukti. I > > am referring to so many gurus who claim to be avatars or > jivanmuktis > > etc. Most true Muktis would never make that claim in that way. > > In the end only one Jivanmukti can recognise another anyway. > > > > If the teachings are sound then use them good things can be taught > by > > a bad guru.........ONS....Tony. > > devi: do you think it's possible that someone can be jivanmukti > (desireless) and still play with desires? Namaste, Anything is possible, leelas etc......The Guru's claims are the yardstick not just the desire........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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